Mac Jones' Last Five Games - 2022 vs 2021

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[Rob0729]

So according to this, the Patriots' tackles are among the worst in the league. Didn't need an accountant who runs the numbers for the Athletic to show me that. Trent Brown and whoever have been at RT have been abysmal all year.

I don't think this chart tells us what you think it does.

 

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[Rob0729]

Using PFF should disqualify this entire chart. PFF is better than it used to be when they only used the television broadcast to do their analysis, but they are still a joke.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

If he isn’t the worst, he is definitely in the top 3 worst. I would say he is the worst. He is probably the worst OC the Patriots ever had.

I don’t know any other team where receiver route spacing is still a major issue with the team this late in the year. It is comically awful with this team.



BTW, the Pats lost both TEs in the Bengals game because of spacing issues with the receivers. Henry went out when he ran into Smith and Smith went out on this play. Patricia is such a bad OC that his play calling is injuring his players.

I doubt you could tell us the first thing about other OC's bc you only watch NE. Seriously I'd love some thoughts on Lombardi, Leftwich, Getsy or Dorsey. Bills are SB favorites and half that fan base would drive Dorsey to the airport.

*****ing about an OC as much as you do just shows hows casual you are. 99% of fans ***** about their OC not realizing theres many underlying issues that cause such a result.

You do realize both Lazar and Orlovsky are praising Jones for this play? Lazar says this was Jones' best play of his season in his opinion. I guess you missed the question mark in Orlovsky's comment. He is one of the biggest Mac Jones supporters in the media.

Orlovsky thinks Jones is a good QB hindered by Patricia and the o-line and Lazar thinks he has seen enough of Jones in recent weeks that he thinks he is optimistic that Jones could become a franchise QB with a new OC.

But I agree with you. I am glad they are around because they are both debunking a lot of the anti-Mac Jones rhetoric.

I am glad that you have come around on Jones and you finally agree that Mac Jones doesn't stink.

I never said Mac stinks. I know you like to make things up and no one takes you seriously but I'd appreciate it if you stop lying.

So far I've been nothing but on point about Mac. Sorry if that bothers you. I was taking about getting his mechanics tighten up by a guy like House before he even took an NFL snap. Same for how he deals with pressure/blitzes. Post snap processing.

I did all this without Lazar and Orlovsky. I actually like doing the work, research and coming up with my own thoughts and conclusions. Must be exhausting looking for others to explain how you feel.

This is also why threads like the re-watch thread fails. There's like 5 people here that actually participate and guys like you that can only link tweets - "Buuuttt bbuuttt Lazar and Orlovsky" said .....

You should start a twitter account and DM them. @ them in your tweets. They'll probably think you're really cool Rob.

 

[Rob0729]

I doubt you could tell us the first thing about other OC's bc you only watch NE. Seriously I'd love some thoughts on Lombardi, Leftwich, Getsy or Dorsey. Bills are SB favorites and half that fan base would drive Dorsey to the airport.

*****ing about an OC as much as you do just shows hows casual you are. 99% of fans ***** about their OC not realizing theres many underlying issues that cause such a result.

I never said Mac stinks. I know you like to make things up and no one takes you seriously but I'd appreciate it if you stop lying.

So far I've been nothing but on point about Mac. Sorry if that bothers you. I was taking about getting his mechanics tighten up by a guy like House before he even took an NFL snap. Same for how he deals with pressure/blitzes. Post snap processing.

I did all this without Lazar and Orlovsky. I actually like doing the work, research and coming up with my own thoughts and conclusions. Must be exhausting looking for others to explain how you feel.

This is also why threads like the re-watch thread fails. There's like 5 people here that actually participate and guys like you that can only link tweets - "Buuuttt bbuuttt Lazar and Orlovsky" said .....

You should start a twitter account and DM them. @ them in your tweets. They'll probably think you're really cool Rob.

LOL! This is a lot of words for you to avoid admitting you screwed up and thought that Lazar and Orlovsky said that that Mac Jones stinks.

The only thing you are on point on is taking experts comments on Mac Jones and twisting their comments into fitting your beliefs.

BTW, Leftwich has a Super Bowl ring as an OC and the Bucs offense was second in the league in scoring and yards last year with him as OC. And you think he should be mentioned in the same breath as Patricia. That shows how comically biased you are. A lot of people want to blame Leftwich for Brady’s poor play and they are first to dismiss any criticism of Patricia for Jones’ poor play.

And just because the Bills fans think Dorsey sucks doesn’t mean any of them think he is worse than Matt Patricia or even in the same category.

And it isn’t just people here who are saying Patricia is awful. It is most of the analysts both local and narional including Lazar and Orlovsky who you think are truth tellers.




P.S. You should read Lazar’s columns this week (and the last few weeks) because he blows away your narrative about Jones not being able to process information post snap.

 

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I doubt you could tell us the first thing about other OC's bc you only watch NE. Seriously I'd love some thoughts on Lombardi, Leftwich, Getsy or Dorsey. Bills are SB favorites and half that fan base would drive Dorsey to the airport.

*****ing about an OC as much as you do just shows hows casual you are. 99% of fans ***** about their OC not realizing theres many underlying issues that cause such a result.

You forgot to mention Matt Canada.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

LOL! This is a lot of words for you to avoid admitting you screwed up and thought that Lazar and Orlovsky said that that Mac Jones stinks.

The only thing you are on point on is taking experts comments on Mac Jones and twisting their comments into fit your beliefs.

You're too caught up in your feelings. Already admitted your bias and how over the top you've been. You should bow out but continue to throw a fit and react in your Mac pajamas.

It was clear what they meant. And also clear they're not the only ones saying Mac isn't the problem. Many have pointed out a few bucket drops to Parker or semi-ropes to Henry.

Most people recognize he's not the reason for the offensive struggles but also hasn't played well individually of Patricia's shortcomings. Two separate thoughts at the same time. So I understand how you'd have a problem dealing with that.

BTW, Leftwich has a Super Bowl ring as an OC and the Bucs offense was second in the league in scoring and yards last year with him as OC. And you think he should be mentioned in the same breath as Patricia. That shows how comically biased you are.

Yea and he owes it to Brady for rallying the troops midseason and literally ignoring Leftwich at times.

Probably not the best example to stand on considering not one fan base wants him as an OC or HC after last year and he might be unemployed.

Again you can't seem to hold separate thoughts or ideas in your head at the same time. It's been more than obvious Patricia has been over his head but that doesnt cancel out or absolve the fact that Mac hasn't been good this year. Completely separate from Patricia he's had his fair share of struggles. He's not our biggest problem (OL - Patricia - Personnel) by far but has struggled (pressure/blitzes, mechanics, post snap). Arm is limited but doesn't show up save a few places (quick throws that need gas, off platform, some outside stuff).

As I've said for months now imo the OL is the biggest issue. We've seen worse and simpler systems have success with a competent OL. There's 50 guys id name to take over for Matt but if this OL was worth anything we'd probably have a PO spot set up already.

So far Mac has shown to be an average starter under good conditions. Average, slightly below when they're not. I'm all for throwing good portion of our offseason efforts to see what he can do with an above average OL and WR1.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

You forgot to mention Matt Canada.

I was going to mention him but he doesn't know who he is. I didn't want to link a wiki page either.

 

[Rob0729]

You're too caught up in your feelings. Already admitted your bias and how over the top you've been. You should bow out but continue to throw a fit and react in your Mac pajamas.

It was clear what they meant. And also clear they're not the only ones saying Mac isn't the problem. Many have pointed out a few bucket drops to Parker or semi-ropes to Henry.

Most people recognize he's not the reason for the offensive struggles but also hasn't played well individually of Patricia's shortcomings. Two separate thoughts at the same time. So I understand how you'd have a problem dealing with that.

Yea and he owes it to Brady for rallying the troops midseason and literally ignoring Leftwich at times.

Probably not the best example to stand on considering not one fan base wants him as an OC or HC after last year and he might be unemployed.

Again you can't seem to hold separate thoughts or ideas in your head at the same time. It's been more than obvious Patricia has been over his head but that doesnt cancel out or absolve the fact that Mac hasn't been good this year. Completely separate from Patricia he's had his fair share of struggles. He's not our biggest problem (OL - Patricia - Personnel) by far but has struggled (pressure/blitzes, mechanics, post snap). Arm is limited but doesn't show up save a few places (quick throws that need gas, off platform, some outside stuff).

As I've said for months now imo the OL is the biggest issue. We've seen worse and simpler systems have success with a competent OL. There's 50 guys id name to take over for Matt but if this OL was worth anything we'd probably have a PO spot set up already.

So far Mac has shown to be an average starter under good conditions. Average, slightly below when they're not. I'm all for throwing good portion of our offseason efforts to see what he can do with an above average OL and WR1.

LOL! The guy who praised Evan Lazar and Dan Orlovsky for saying Mac Jones sucks when they said the opposite telling me to bow out. Too funny.

But hey at least you admitted that you think Jones is a good QB.

And you are twisting my words. Glad to see that you don’t just twist experts you love words to fit your agenda. I have said everyone on both sides have been over the top at times and then I joke that I did it more than times. But I was including Mac haters like you.

If you don’t think your obvious biases affect your objectivity, you might want to look how you are using BS stats to try to make Matt Patricia a middle of the pack OC when everyone knows he sucks and he will be coaching his last regular season game as OC on Sunday. Just to try to make Mac Jones look worse. Sorry if I have self awareness that you lack.

 

[Rob0729]

I was going to mention him but he doesn't know who he is. I didn't want to link a wiki page either.

I know, but I would have to see what Matt Waldman said about his processing after the snap before I respond.

Screw it, here is my response for you. Matt Canada sucks?

 

[BTTA]

I'll listen to someone criticize Jones after they've carefully watched the tape of the GOAT Brady in his second year in the League, and tracked the bad throws, indecision, bad sacks, impatience, etc. If someone can tell me they've done that and that Jones is tangibly worse, I'm all ears.

 

[crawhammer]

I'll listen to someone criticize Jones after they've carefully watched the tape of the GOAT Brady in his second year in the League, and tracked the bad throws, indecision, bad sacks, impatience, etc. If someone can tell me they've done that and that Jones is tangibly worse, I'm all ears.

Brady led the NFL in passing TDs his second season as a starter. Mac is 28th in year two. Tied with the second most washed up QB in the league (Wentz). And below Jacoby Brissett.

 

[Ian]

Brady led the NFL in passing TDs his second season as a starter. Mac is 28th in year two. Tied with the second most washed up QB in the league (Wentz). And below Jacoby Brissett.

Brady had Charlie Weis for the second-straight year, Mac had Patricia. Fair comparison.

 

[Ian]

Brady had Charlie Weis for the second-straight year, Mac had Patricia. Fair comparison.

Brady led the NFL in passing TDs his second season as a starter. Mac is 28th in year two. Tied with the second most washed up QB in the league (Wentz). And below Jacoby Brissett.

Sorry, Brady was in his third season with Weis. So he’d been working with the same guy in the same offense and competent coordinator for three years.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It's like Patricia is having them double the DB as if it's some sort of coverage play.

Either that or Bourne and Jonnu constantly run the wrong routes.

 

[Rob0729]

Either that or Bourne and Jonnu constantly run the wrong routes.

If you are in week 15 or 16 of the season and two of your receivers are still consistently running the wrong routes and they don’t have a history of running wrong routes, that is as much on the coaching staff as the players.

Smith sucked last year, but I never heard any complaints about him running the wrong routes. And Bourne certainly didn’t have that problem either. Everyone said they simplified the offense this year for the receivers because McDaniels’ offense was too complicated for a lot of receivers. And neither had problems with route running with their previous teams.

Again, whether it is play design or receivers just do not know what routes to run, that is still an indictment of Patricia and the offensive coaching staff. It just shows their incompetence goes beyond play calling.