Mac Jones is the Starter [Update - Mac is starting vs the Jete, says BB]

[GreenCow]

And it's not all it's cracked up to be. You don't need to be able to throw a 80 frozen rope ... You need to be able to throw the passes you need to make. It has more to do with accuracy and proper mechanics.

And there are a ton of guys with canons for arms who just plain fail.

I said as much in the post you quoted.

 

[Thelonious]

Just the opposite. Mac has beaten the Jete twice -- including in their house -- and knows their defensive tendencies.



Ridiculous.

The most important "tendency" in the Jets defense is that they are a h---l of a lot better this year than they have been for a long time. The Pats, on the other hand, are working on both sides of the ball (frustratingly but effectively, I think) at rising above mediocrity, if one is generously inclined to use such a term for our defense's dismal performance at times this year. I think there is little chance we win this game, frankly, whichever of our two iffy qb's we trot out there. We can probably get Li'l Zacky to make a few mistakes, but our O-line, in my judgment, will lose us this game, handily. The best hope, I suppose, is for the offense put forth a very conservative, time-gobbling game, in which the O-line's job is strenuous but simple. Beyond that, maybe somebody can convince the linebackers that it's not a bad thing to tackle somebody.

 

[Pape]

I said as much in the post you quoted.

Dude I took issue with your erroneous statement about arm strength...

 

[PatsFan2]

Just the opposite. Mac has beaten the Jete twice -- including in their house -- and knows their defensive tendencies.



Ridiculous.

The part of the Jets that's not aching their Defense well know the 2022 Mac tendencies too. Two immovable objects on a collision course something gotta give.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't agree that he sucks. At the end of last season he lost twice to Buffalo. Not including Monday night where he only played 3 series, he's lost at Miami and to Baltimore this year. I really can't blame him for any of those losses. In the Ravens game he had 3 picks but one was a Hail Mary on the last play down 10, one was Parker running the wrong route, and the other may have been his fault but many felt it was MP's fault. This last pick vs Chicago was definitely on him though - even if it hit the cam wire there was nobody open.

He can make most of the throws, has better mobility than anyone thought, and is good enough to get us to the playoffs. I'm getting a little tired of the overblown criticisms. Zappe did a nice job filling in, but the only good thing about Monday night was it exposed him as very limited. Mac is our best bet.

Last year he was fine but I said "if" he sucks. Regardless, right now he does suck

 

[archstanton543]

different situation here.

Drew had some bad hurt going on inside. Brady had the time to become firmly entrenched as the starter, so much so, Drew never stood a chance to get his job back.

I'm talking about when he was coaching the Browns. I just said that it was a non-issue here because of Tom Brady.

 

[mgteich]

Ride what out? So just play him for the remainder of the season if he sucks no matter what?

Is it really to have drafted your quarterback of the future, and have him on a very short leash.

If Jones is our starting QB, then he should start.

If Belichick has decided to move on, then I'm fine with that. I just doubt that this is the case. No matter what. OK, so what is your plan if belichick thinks that Jones is the future? Is he really our future quarterback until his next bad game?

 

[Thelonious]

Dude I took issue with your erroneous statement about arm strength...

LOL. We're all more inclined to pay less attention to what we read than to how we want to respond to it. I know I am. I pretty much start composing my response before I bother to take in what I am responding to, if I ever do. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, if such a paragon is to be found hereabouts.

 

[mgteich]

Just BTW, Zappe has NOT shown himself to be a future top QB. 6 foot tall quarterbacks have a tough time.

 

[Thelonious]

Just BTW, Zappe has NOT shown himself to be a future top QB. 6 foot tall quarterbacks have a tough time.

Some do, some don't.

 

[GreenCow]

Dude I took issue with your erroneous statement about arm strength...

That it can’t be improved in any meaningful way?

I stand by that.

Even Tom House said arm strength can be “trained”, but everyone has a genetic max and some people are simply much lower than others.

So yeah, it can be improved. But is he ever going to have a rocket? No. And that will limit him, just like it limited Pennington.

 

[Vindicate]

Ride what out? So just play him for the remainder of the season if he sucks no matter what?

Well yeah. Accept what we got and understand there is a next season.

My approach is this: give Mac all the time you need these next few games to see two things through -

1: Give yourself the biggest sample size to see if he's your guy to invest in and build around.

2: If he isnt, come to that conclusion sooner than later and start gameplanning how you're gonna replace him.

I thibk you're more firmly in the Zappe camp, which I understand based off his immediate contribution but when I watch him, I see someone who has a low ceiling and I really think good defenses will expose the hell outta him.

If Mac looks like he did in those first two drives for multiple games, then I'm down to yank him. I'm talking about putting him in next game and letting it ride out a few games so he can earn the next few after. But there is no conclusion to be found with this merry-go-round, but that's my opinion.

While I say that, I also firmly believe that if him being yanked from Mondays game "broke him", then he is weak and not worthwhile.

At this point, I'm kinda just riffing because this all sucks lol. I'm welcome to being wrong, and if Bill thinks Zappe is the guy, then whatever, just ****in stick with him then.

 

[Pape]

LOL. We're all more inclined to pay less attention to what we read than to how we want to respond to it. I know I am. I pretty much start composing my response before I bother to take in what I am responding to, if I ever do. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, if such a paragon is to be found hereabouts.

well i aint no paragon...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Is it really to have drafted your quarterback of the future, and have him on a very short leash.

He had a long leash last year and did a very good job. He is in Year 2 and is not playing well.

If Jones is our starting QB, then he should start.

He is in Year 2 and not if he is costing the team games.

If Belichick has decided to move on, then I'm fine with that. I just doubt that this is the case. No matter what. OK, so what is your plan if belichick thinks that Jones is the future? Is he really our future quarterback until his next bad game?

IMO BB has an educated opinion on where Mac is in his a) development and b) if he has a chance to be "they guy". I don't know what it is but clearly it has not been decided.

Bill is letting the competition play out. He will play the QB who wins games. Whichever QB that is he will have the support of the locker room.

To play a QB "just because he is the 1st rd pick" and lose games is a bad move

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well yeah. Accept what we got and understand there is a next season.

My approach is this: give Mac all the time you need these next few games to see two things through -

1: Give yourself the biggest sample size to see if he's your guy to invest in and build around.

2: If he isnt, come to that conclusion sooner than later and start gameplanning how you're gonna replace him.

I thibk you're more firmly in the Zappe camp, which I understand based off his immediate contribution but when I watch him, I see someone who has a low ceiling and I really think good defenses will expose the hell outta him.

If Mac looks like he did in those first two drives for multiple games, then I'm down to yank him. I'm talking about putting him in next game and letting it ride out a few games so he can earn the next few after. But there is no conclusion to be found with this merry-go-round, but that's my opinion.

While I say that, I also firmly believe that if him being yanked from Mondays game "broke him", then he is weak and not worthwhile.

At this point, I'm kinda just riffing because this all sucks lol. I'm welcome to being wrong, and if Bill thinks Zappe is the guy, then whatever, just ****in stick with him then.

Let's be clear. I support the move which wins the team games short and long term.

See my previous post.

I couldn't care less who the QB is.

Nothing else matters.

 

[Pape]

That it can’t be improved in any meaningful way?

I stand by that.

Even Tom House said arm strength can be “trained”, but everyone has a genetic max and some people are simply much lower than others.

So yeah, it can be improved. But is he ever going to have a rocket? No. And that will limit him, just like it limited Pennington.

please, shuffle back to buffalo

 

[Thelonious]

well i aint no paragon...

LOL. Me neither. Ian might be, I suppose, though even he likely has his flaws.

 

[Tunescribe]

The most important "tendency" in the Jets defense is that they are a h---l of a lot better this year than they been for a long time. The Pats, on the other hand, are working on both sides of the ball (frustratingly but effectively, I think) at rising above mediocrity, if one is generously inclined to use such a term for our defense's dismal performance at times this year I think there is little chance we win this game, frankly, whichever of our two iffy qb's we trot out there. We can probably get Li'l Zacky to make a few mistakes, but our O-line, in my judgment, will lose us this game, handily. The best hope, I suppose, is for the offense put forth a very conservative, time-gobbling game, in which the O-line's job is strenuous but simple. Beyond that, maybe somebody can convince the linebackers that it's not a bad thing to tackle somebody.

I don't share your pessimism, I expect a New England win.

The Jete currently are ranked 15th in team defense, the Pats are 17th after Monday with little actually separating the two units. I noted "tendencies" because it's the same base personnel/scheme/coaches as last year that the Patriots (most importantly Mac) have familiarity with. The Jete offense is operating behind the eight ball now with cornerstone RB Hall shelved. McMilfson is playing poorly. Their OL has been in turmoil, now on LT No. 3 and starting right guard Alijah Vera-Tucker just placed on IR.

This is far from a mismatch. Perhaps an argument can be made for the two teams being essentially equal but the Pats will have a big advantage if the running game can return to form after Monday's no-show. Plus I'll take BB over Bim Saleh Bim and his idiot OC LaFleur every time.

 

[Vindicate]

Let's be clear. I support the move which wins the team games short and long term.

See my previous post.

I couldn't care less who the QB is.

Nothing else matters.

Fair enough - I guess where I deviate is, investing in a win now could come at the cost of wins down the road AND into next season if it throws stuff with the team in flux. I think the other players will invariably have more patience for Mac. I'm willing to accept the cost upfront to position ourselves for the better of the future.

My apologies for misinterpreting your post.

 

[RIpats88]

Dude you are a First Rounder in your Second year. At least Justin Fields showed why he was Drafted ahead of you.

Justin fields has been trash except for the Patriots game.

And likely will go back to being trash next game