Losman: "Wilfork got off easy."

[fourthandmiles]

Wilfork was going for a higher hit IMO. When he got his legs held he came up short and got him in the knee.

None of this, the fine, Wilfork wanting to appologize and JP's comments, suprises me.

What is supprising is that people are acting like Losman's comments are not valid because he is a crappy QB.

 

[Fixit]

Let me get this straight, if wilfork didnt put his elbow out his shoulder would have hit losman?

Wilfork was probably at least 2 1/2 feet from losman. He could have just fallen and he wouldnt have touched losman. But he extended his elbow into his knee.

That could be the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Congrats

2 and 1/2 feet? Check again, Mr. No-depth-perception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3POT8n2Qk3g

Oh, and make sure you see the trip/tackle that made him fall in the first place.

 

[Fixit]

And for extra credit, tell me about the cutting-edge concepts of "gravity," "momentum" and "inertia."

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

So, what exactly is wrong with what Losman said? I pretty much agree with most of it.

First of all, his point about the dollar amount of the fine was this: "I know there are some people that are saying that he deliberately did this and if that's the case then I don't think it's enough."

I agree with every word of that. If he did that deliberately, a $12,000 fine is stupid in a league that fines players $5,000 for chinstrap violations. If I was Losman, I'd feel exactly the same way and wouldn't have any problem saying it. If you decide it was a clean or inadvertent play, ok. Don't fine him. But once you decide he did something to deserve a fine $12,000 is insulting.

Coy Wire's statements in this article were a bit more inflammatory, but that's not on Losman. I agree with Losman, by the way, that it's at least debatable whether Vince could have avoided the contact. I know what I hope is the answer, but I'm not sure of it.

Second are the Jennings quotes about the Wilfork hit in 2004. NOTHING QUOTED IN THIS ARTICLE WAS SAID BY THE BILLS IN 2007. The reporter quotes what Jennings said back in 2004. You're all acting like, in reaction to the Losman thing, the Bills are out there bringing up 3 year old hits. They are not. The reporter did that.

Third is Losman's thing about not wanting an apology, which everyone suggests is "classless." Bulls*it. I wouldn't want an apology. If the player apologizes to me, it means he's admitting he did it on purpose, and that's the case he can go F himself with his apology. Vince is saying it wasn't intentional, and so no apology should be expected by anyone, including Losman. It's not going to make his leg feel better.

We have a d-lineman who got flagged on a play that put a QB out for a couple of games. It is what is. Could the Bills have just shut their mouths? Of course. But big freaking deal that they didn't. For a crew that wants everyone to just suck it up and shut up, we sure do a fair amount of whining around here ourselves.

 

[BrianPat]

So, what exactly is wrong with what Losman said? I pretty much agree with most of it.

First of all, his point about the dollar amount of the fine was this: "I know there are some people that are saying that he deliberately did this and if that's the case then I don't think it's enough."

I agree with every word of that. If he did that deliberately, a $12,000 fine is stupid in a league that fines players $5,000 for chinstrap violations. If I was Losman, I'd feel exactly the same way and wouldn't have any problem saying it. If you decide it was a clean or inadvertent play, ok. Don't fine him. But once you decide he did something to deserve a fine $12,000 is insulting.

Coy Wire's statements in this article were a bit more inflammatory, but that's not on Losman. I agree with Losman, by the way, that it's at least debatable whether Vince could have avoided the contact. I know what I hope is the answer, but I'm not sure of it.

Second are the Jennings quotes about the Wilfork hit in 2004. NOTHING QUOTED IN THIS ARTICLE WAS SAID BY THE BILLS IN 2007. The reporter quotes what Jennings said back in 2004. You're all acting like, in reaction to the Losman thing, the Bills are out there bringing up 3 year old hits. They are not. The reporter did that.

Third is Losman's thing about not wanting an apology, which everyone suggests is "classless." Bulls*it. I wouldn't want an apology. If the player apologizes to me, it means he's admitting he did it on purpose, and that's the case he can go F himself with his apology. Vince is saying it wasn't intentional, and so no apology should be expected by anyone, including Losman. It's not going to make his leg feel better.

We have a d-lineman who got flagged on a play that put a QB out for a couple of games. It is what is. Could the Bills have just shut their mouths? Of course. But big freaking deal that they didn't. For a crew that wants everyone to just suck it up and shut up, we sure do a fair amount of whining around here ourselves.

I agree with most everything you said, but it dosen't matter if it was intentional or not, hit a QB in the knees, it's a fine !!

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Case closed, well said. Nice to see some common sense in a few pat fans. Hardly the norm

Don't pull me in as your ally. You're just as bad the other way.

Vince says it was not intentional, and I believe him. I think he possibly had a chance to avoid the contact, but no replay I've seen tells me that. We can analyze crap like it's the Zapruder tapes until we're blue in the face, but the reality is there's only one human on the earth who really knows the answer.

Guy got hurt. Guy said stuff. Reporter turned it into a more inflammatory story, big deal.

 

[DW Toys]

Let me get this straight, if wilfork didnt put his elbow out his shoulder would have hit losman?

Wilfork was probably at least 2 1/2 feet from losman. He could have just fallen and he wouldnt have touched losman. But he extended his elbow into his knee.

That could be the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Congrats

Cousin,
Were you watching the same game? Should have been off-setting penalties anyway pure and simple (you have no excuse for that part whatsoever) anyway. Please allow me that realistic conclusion. Wilfork was tackled and if anything, avoided whacking Lossman with his shoulder or helmet. Is that a fair statement? A purely defensive reaction to stick out his arm.

Watch the tape. Wilforks' head was turned approx 35 degrees to the left pointing toward the ground when his arm struck Lossman. He wasn't even looking at a "body part". His body was it the process of falling.

I will give you this, anytime you hit a QB's knees it's a PFP accident or not. With all the negative issues going against the Pats, Goodell would have suspended Wilfork if it was intentional to really pile it on. Don't think this wasn't scrutinized?

But then again, one would not expect a fair assessment from you would we?
We'll take your comments for what they are worth.
DW Toys

 

[Seacoast Fan]

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHA....Peter King say it wasnt huh? Peter king has had his nose buried up the patriots *** for years. Get real.

Not to mention the fact that I dont need someone to tell me that it wasnt a dirty hit. The guy stuck his elbow while he was falling into the knee of a quarterback. Losman had thrown the ball, was standing upright. Dirty hit, very simple

Oh I'm having a wonderful day, thanks

I am not surprised you are having a wonderful day...thats what people do when they are so heavily medicated they lose touch with reality.

 

[BadMoFo]

Losman will be in the AFL in about 2 years.

 

[Jacky Roberts]

Case closed, well said. Nice to see some common sense in a few pat fans. Hardly the norm

Glad to see the dumbass Bills fans are still around these parts. Loser organization, loser city, loser fans. Have a nice day.

 

[JoeSixPat]

No doubt? Really? Despite what Wilfork has publicly said? I have no doubt that Wilfork is a victim of a hate crime.

Yes - I have no dobut that Wilfork was trying to take Losman out of the play, but not injure him.

That's what a good football player will do in my opinion... any of the Bills would likely do the same.

That's a lot different from trying to injure someone - but the bottom line is its a fineable offense and the League is making a big deal out of such illegal tackling as it does cause injury.

 

[NENGFAN]

Tough to blame Losman for feeling this way -

While I've got no doubt Wilfork was trying to take Losman down as he was falling, and there's no question a fine was in order - Wilfork is not the type of guy to actually want to injure a player.

Losman's got the added frustration in that he was close to losing his job - now he can't compete. I'd be as upset or more upset than he's expressed if it were me... but he shouldn't delude himself that Wilfork was trying to injure him.

The rule is what it is - primarilly because injuries like this can happen - and therefore Wilfork's fine is appropriate - but those things happen on a ton of plays every Sunday and the guys just walk away uninjured. Just unfortunate in this case that Losman didn't walk away - but football is a tough game.

I know its sour grapes from Losman but what if this was done to Brady? I would be raving mad. It was a bad hit - not intentional but still very very dangerous.

 

[Lampshade]

"I know there are some people that are saying that he deliberately did this and if that's the case then I don't think it's enough", is just a cowardly passive-aggressive way of saying " I don't think it's enough". It's the sort of nonsense Dungy engaged in when talking about Kraft.

If Losman is going to comment on it, he should, for want of a less Dr Phil expression, own his opinion. Don't ****yfoot around it. And then accept the apology either way.

 

[tombonneau]

I'm unsure what a 300+ lb DL is supposed to do when he is tackled and is falling towards the QB. (?)

As others said, he can't even see Losman as he is falling.

Sucks that it happened, but there is a reason bad QBs get hurt. If Losman had better pocket awareness he wouldn't have been in the position to be hurt in the first place.

There is a reason guys like Manning, Brady, Favre are "Iron Men": they simply are better QBs with better awareness who get the ball off quickly and limit the amount of times they get hit.

 

[NENGFAN]

I'm unsure what a 300+ lb DL is supposed to do when he is tackled and is falling towards the QB. (?)

As others said, he can't even see Losman as he is falling.

Sucks that it happened, but there is a reason bad QBs get hurt. If Losman had better pocket awareness he wouldn't have been in the position to be hurt in the first place.

There is a reason guys like Manning, Brady, Favre are "Iron Men": they simply are better QBs with better awareness who get the ball off quickly and limit the amount of times they get hit.

Thats a good point as well.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

There is a reason guys like Manning, Brady, Favre are "Iron Men": they simply are better QBs with better awareness who get the ball off quickly and limit the amount of times they get hit.

That is such a good point that it's almost of a quality where you might expect a good color man on a network broadcast to make it during a game at some point . . . .

Oh, wait a minute.

:singing:

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The Bills have issued a further statement, backing up the claim that earlier shots by Wilfork were not only intentional, but ordered by Head Coach Bill Belichick.

"We have the signals on tape, and every time that certain signal came up, Wilfork would... wait... we saw a tape from, from an out-take from NFL films..." sputtered a team official Friday evening, before mumbling something unintelligible, then claiming the remainder of his press conference would be pre-empted by a mid-afternoon screening of "Heidi" on the local ABC affiliate.

Stay tuned.



PFnV

 

[Michael]

They should fine Losman for putting his leg in the way of Wilfork's fall.

 

[He Ban Me]

I'm unsure what a 300+ lb DL is supposed to do when he is tackled and is falling towards the QB. (?)

As others said, he can't even see Losman as he is falling.

Sucks that it happened, but there is a reason bad QBs get hurt. If Losman had better pocket awareness he wouldn't have been in the position to be hurt in the first place.

There is a reason guys like Manning, Brady, Favre are "Iron Men": they simply are better QBs with better awareness who get the ball off quickly and limit the amount of times they get hit.

It's a valid point, but in Losmans defense, from what I saw, it appeared he had protection, and then Wilfork gets through AND gets pushed toward the QB. It collasped quick. In the end, not many can deny that it appears as though Wilfork takes a nice swing. Don't think he is a dirty player, but he probably could have prevented this.

 

[cubicle_6]

I'm all for protecting the QBs in this league.
But Losman is a crybaby for saying publicly, after one viewing, that Wilfork "got off easy".
What an idiot.