Lifelong Panthers fan AMA (ask me anything) Cam Edition

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jimnance

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Yes, his poise and instincts stood out to me. He knows when to dodge in the pocket vs when to break out of there, and his eyes stay downfield. He plays like a successful 31 year old.

What's not to like? Great arm, great escapism, great runner on designed plays, good judgment. He's picked up the offense in 2 months to where they had no offensive penalties and few if any blown protections, while throwing for 400 yards. It's actually pretty astounding.

Best thing is hes just getting his feet wet.
Wait til last quarter of the season when the entire offense has played together for a while.
By then, his game will be much more instinctive, not having to think as much since he'll be in tune with the other 10 guys and the coaches. To play as well as he did sunday night was pretty amazing considering how short the preseason was.
Having a great ol and je11 helps but this offense will be markedly better later in the season. Barring serious key injuries of course, but that goes for any team, any season.
 

Kdo5

Pro Bowl Player
Exactly right about the offensive line

I’ve been saying that the line is the key to their success. If Cam isn’t immediately under pressure he can be really really hard to stop.
He’s getting plenty of time and clearly we can see that he’s got some very good accuracy when he has it. It’s also having a great impact for the receivers. Let’s face it. Outside of Edelman we have trouble getting separation. Those few extra seconds make all the difference and even in the case where some pressure does come, Cam has escaped it fairly easily.
 

mosi's man

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Newton just came into the NFL at the wrong time.

A few months ago I was listening to Felger and Mazz and Felger said one thing that was correct and then followed it up with one thing that wasn't. First, he stated that Newton will forever be labeled as a "quitter" for not jumping on the fumble in the Super Bowl. He said, rightly or wrongly, that his failure on that play cemented his reputation as a quarterback that can't be trusted to do the things necessary to win. To add to this, his reputation had already been that of a showboat and selfish guy, due to prior comments that he'd made, to the Superman stuff, and due his larger-than-life personality.

A couple weeks later, when the subject of racism regarding Newton's failure to land a job in the offseason came up, Felger pointed to the big money deals for Mahomes and Wilson as evidence that the league doesn't care about a quarterback's race, so Newton can't use race as an excuse. What he failed to acknowledge, in my opinion, was the changing NFL landscape between 2011 and today. Newton came into the league at a time when being big (both physically and personality-wise) and Black and a quarterback was not entirely acceptable and subsequently developed a reputation based upon unfair criticism as well as some mistakes that he made. Once his reputation was cemented, then he couldn't shake it, regardless as to whether it was true. I've heard he's "a "me" guy, can't read the playbook, lazy, "acts like he's bigger than the team" and my personal favorite "isn't tough enough" a million times. All these criticisms are baked into his reputation that was developed before the emergence of the new wave of black quarterbacks in the league. Fortunately we now live in an era where Newton's present (and past) behavior is more widely accepted. In my opinion, if Newton came out in the draft next year and behaved the same way, his behaviors wouldn't be viewed so negatively.

Newton has obvious flaws. But for this guy who dragged an inferior team to a Super Bowl in 2015, at the age of 31, to spend 89 days unemployed when a bunch of inferior players were getting higher paying jobs was a joke. I think that is obvious now. Just like Kaepernick not getting a job. And I can't conceive of another plausible explanation for it other than what I described.
 

luuked

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A few months ago I was listening to Felger and Mazz and Felger said one thing that was correct and then followed it up with one thing that wasn't. First, he stated that Newton will forever be labeled as a "quitter" for not jumping on the fumble in the Super Bowl. He said, rightly or wrongly, that his failure on that play cemented his reputation as a quarterback that can't be trusted to do the things necessary to win. To add to this, his reputation had already been that of a showboat and selfish guy, due to prior comments that he'd made, to the Superman stuff, and due his larger-than-life personality.

The thing is that this is only true for viewers that already came with negative bias towards him and were only interested in things that confirm that. The other 99% of plays where he fights through contact for a first down, saves plays by manoeuvring the pocket or stands and throws a pass even though he knows he will get drilled are all brushed aside.

Taking time to talk to people that have made up their mind about the entire body of work of a player based on a single play is a lost cause and the same waste of time as listening to Felger in general is.
 

neuronet

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I've seen no real evidence of this first-in/last-out stance
Belichick made him a captain. Other players have noted it. If you haven't seen the evidence it's because you haven't looked.

There have been about twenty stories written about how much he has impressed people with his work ethic. At least one in the last day. Maybe you are a boomer so let me help you. Click here:

Come back once you've shown you have a minimal work ethic when discussing other people's character.
 
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JoeA

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Think Cam's unwillingness to assimilate may have factored into Rhule's decision to let him go?

Carolina has a new owner, new head coach, and they just didn't want the risk of having Cam around.

Can't say I couldn't blame them given the circumstances, but personally I believe Rhule was a bad hire to begin with.
 

Conflicted Panthers fan

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Belichick made him a captain. Other players have noted it. If you haven't seen the evidence it's because you haven't looked.

There have been about twenty stories written about how much he has impressed people with his work ethic. At least one in the last day. Maybe you are a boomer so let me help you. Click here:

Come back once you've shown you have a minimal work ethic when discussing other people's character.

yeah that dude is a troll who got kicked off a panthers message board before bringing the same garbage here :coffee::)
 

Conflicted Panthers fan

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Newton just came into the NFL at the wrong time.

A few months ago I was listening to Felger and Mazz and Felger said one thing that was correct and then followed it up with one thing that wasn't. First, he stated that Newton will forever be labeled as a "quitter" for not jumping on the fumble in the Super Bowl. He said, rightly or wrongly, that his failure on that play cemented his reputation as a quarterback that can't be trusted to do the things necessary to win. To add to this, his reputation had already been that of a showboat and selfish guy, due to prior comments that he'd made, to the Superman stuff, and due his larger-than-life personality.

A couple weeks later, when the subject of racism regarding Newton's failure to land a job in the offseason came up, Felger pointed to the big money deals for Mahomes and Wilson as evidence that the league doesn't care about a quarterback's race, so Newton can't use race as an excuse. What he failed to acknowledge, in my opinion, was the changing NFL landscape between 2011 and today. Newton came into the league at a time when being big (both physically and personality-wise) and Black and a quarterback was not entirely acceptable and subsequently developed a reputation based upon unfair criticism as well as some mistakes that he made. Once his reputation was cemented, then he couldn't shake it, regardless as to whether it was true. I've heard he's "a "me" guy, can't read the playbook, lazy, "acts like he's bigger than the team" and my personal favorite "isn't tough enough" a million times. All these criticisms are baked into his reputation that was developed before the emergence of the new wave of black quarterbacks in the league. Fortunately we now live in an era where Newton's present (and past) behavior is more widely accepted. In my opinion, if Newton came out in the draft next year and behaved the same way, his behaviors wouldn't be viewed so negatively.

Newton has obvious flaws. But for this guy who dragged an inferior team to a Super Bowl in 2015, at the age of 31, to spend 89 days unemployed when a bunch of inferior players were getting higher paying jobs was a joke. I think that is obvious now. Just like Kaepernick not getting a job. And I can't conceive of another plausible explanation for it other than what I described.

Whew, yeah that take about being a quitter just couldn't be further from the truth and is just used to confirm the bias people already had. If the fumble didn't happen, they would be looking at some other instance. Trust me, ever since Cam came into the league people had this "he can't do this" narrative. For the longest time it was "Cam will never lead a team to the playoffs" then it was "Cam will never lead his team to a playoff win" then it was "Cam will never lead the team to the Super Bowl" then it was "Cam will never lead a team to a Super Bowl win", just moving the goal posts further and further after they are proven wrong over and over again. This past summer it was "Cam is washed up, Cam is too much of a ME guy, Cam wouldn't fit in with certain locker rooms, Cam wouldn't accept a back up role" etc etc.

If anything it just shows how little people's narratives matter.

As for Cam coming into the league now and what the perception would be, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's one of those things we'll look back on as Cam being a trailblazer for these other types of QBs, and especially for athletic black kids having the chance to play QB instead of automatically being put at skill positions.
 

luuked

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Not to mention Cam’s former OC Mike Shula would often take forever to get the play down to the field. Any Panthers fan knows this fact.

It is always fun when some bozo troll on the internet tries to explain to a Panthers fan something about the QB they had for like 8 years. I am amazed you don't just put him on ignore like most here.
 

amfootball

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Newton has obvious flaws. But for this guy who dragged an inferior team to a Super Bowl in 2015, at the age of 31, to spend 89 days unemployed when a bunch of inferior players were getting higher paying jobs was a joke. I think that is obvious now. Just like Kaepernick not getting a job. And I can't conceive of another plausible explanation for it other than what I described.
Your post was just fine until the bolded. That Panthers team was loaded on both sides of the ball. You don't call 15-1 just from the QB play. They were stacked and should have won that Super Bowl but Denver punched them and Cam in the mouth.

Your Kaep comparison is embarrassing. Unlike Kaep, Cam swallowed his pride and played on a vet min. deal with no guarantee he would be the starter.
 

Conflicted Panthers fan

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Your post was just fine until the bolded. That Panthers team was loaded on both sides of the ball. You don't call 15-1 just from the QB play. They were stacked and should have won that Super Bowl but Denver punched them and Cam in the mouth.

Your Kaep comparison is embarrassing. Unlike Kaep, Cam swallowed his pride and played on a vet min. deal with no guarantee he would be the starter.

The 2015 Panthers defense was loaded sure but the offense was far from loaded. Aside from Greg Olsen, the top receivers were Ted Ginn Jr, Jericho Cotchery and Corey Brown. There's a reason people say that was arguably the best season by any quarterback ever.
 

amfootball

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The 2015 Panthers defense was loaded sure but the offense was far from loaded. Aside from Greg Olsen, the top receivers were Ted Ginn Jr, Jericho Cotchery and Corey Brown. There's a reason people say that was arguably the best season by any quarterback ever.
It was a great year by Newton but saying he carried an inferior team is a bit over the top. Those players you listed are very good players especially Olsen not bums. And the D was fantastic as you said.
 

Conflicted Panthers fan

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It was a great year by Newton but saying he carried an inferior team is a bit over the top. Those players you listed are very good players especially Olsen not bums. And the D was fantastic as you said.

Olsen was a top tight end in his prime, Ginn was never a WR1 outside of when he was forced to be in 2015 and Cotchery was in the twilight of his career. Corey Brown has never been considered very good by anyone and he lasted about three years in professional football.

It’s ok to admit Cam carried that entire offense because it’s true. He had 45 total touchdowns, 35 passing 10 rushing, with only 10 interceptions. He accounted for over 76% of the teams total yards which is second all time behind Drew Brees’ 2012 season. All with a tight end as his best receiving threat.
 

mosi's man

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Certainly offensively the Panther offense was inferior compared to most Super Bowl contending teams. If you think Ted Ginn as the #1 receiver was not inferior, we disagree. And their offensive line was average. Despite the personnel, the Panthers averaged 31 points a game and had offensive 54 touchdowns and Cam accounted for 45 of them.

Side note, as much as I love the guy, if Brady's wideouts consisted of Brown, Ginn, and Crotchery, this board would be lighting up like a Christmas tree and we'd have one sullen QB on our hands.
 

203Pat

In the Starting Line-Up
It was a great year by Newton but saying he carried an inferior team is a bit over the top. Those players you listed are very good players especially Olsen not bums. And the D was fantastic as you said.
Lol that receiver core may have been worse than ours.
 

DropKickFlutie

In the Starting Line-Up
Newton just came into the NFL at the wrong time.

A few months ago I was listening to Felger and Mazz and Felger said one thing that was correct and then followed it up with one thing that wasn't. First, he stated that Newton will forever be labeled as a "quitter" for not jumping on the fumble in the Super Bowl. He said, rightly or wrongly, that his failure on that play cemented his reputation as a quarterback that can't be trusted to do the things necessary to win. To add to this, his reputation had already been that of a showboat and selfish guy, due to prior comments that he'd made, to the Superman stuff, and due his larger-than-life personality.

A couple weeks later, when the subject of racism regarding Newton's failure to land a job in the offseason came up, Felger pointed to the big money deals for Mahomes and Wilson as evidence that the league doesn't care about a quarterback's race, so Newton can't use race as an excuse. What he failed to acknowledge, in my opinion, was the changing NFL landscape between 2011 and today. Newton came into the league at a time when being big (both physically and personality-wise) and Black and a quarterback was not entirely acceptable and subsequently developed a reputation based upon unfair criticism as well as some mistakes that he made. Once his reputation was cemented, then he couldn't shake it, regardless as to whether it was true. I've heard he's "a "me" guy, can't read the playbook, lazy, "acts like he's bigger than the team" and my personal favorite "isn't tough enough" a million times. All these criticisms are baked into his reputation that was developed before the emergence of the new wave of black quarterbacks in the league. Fortunately we now live in an era where Newton's present (and past) behavior is more widely accepted. In my opinion, if Newton came out in the draft next year and behaved the same way, his behaviors wouldn't be viewed so negatively.

Newton has obvious flaws. But for this guy who dragged an inferior team to a Super Bowl in 2015, at the age of 31, to spend 89 days unemployed when a bunch of inferior players were getting higher paying jobs was a joke. I think that is obvious now. Just like Kaepernick not getting a job. And I can't conceive of another plausible explanation for it other than what I described.

Felger is proving my concern about a black starting QB in Boston. Fortunately idiot trolls like Felger are in the minority on this one, it seems

.
 

Dr Pain

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Just like Kaepernick not getting a job. And I can't conceive of another plausible explanation for it other than what I described.
Kaepernick was demoted for very real performance issues and the kneeling etc, was pushed hours after Fox came out with a story on how he was going to be cut. If anything the sudden (or at least suddenly reported) social justice focus he pushed, coming after his demotion, probably saved his job at the 49rs. I think they way this happened was more of an issue than if he had always pushed his social justice all along while at the top of his game. I don't see Cam and Kaepernick as the same at all other than possibly concern if football was enough of a priority for either anymore. I know I had real reservations about Cam after seeing him in the SB. Under the Parcells and later BB football view, a player has to live eat and sleep football. They would look very harshly on a player who lost his academic standing in college that affected if they could play as it showed football was not enough of a priority.
 

mosi's man

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I don't want to turn this into a Kaepernick thread, but please read the above two articles. The first is a statistical analysis of Kaepernick's last season in San Fran, when his wideouts were even worse than Cam's. The second is from an former NFL VP who admits to being in the room when the NFL owners agreed to blackball him. Once again, the idea he wasn't good enough is very difficult to argue from any statistical analysis and the argument that he wasn't blackballed is directly refuted by someone who, without any reason to admit to it, was in the room when it happened. Meantime, the guy who's job he took is still employed in the league.

And by the way, if the NFL only took guys in good academic standing every team in the league would be affected (see Moss, Randy, Dillon, Corrie, etc.). Once again, as one argument is knocked down another one magically appears.
 

amfootball

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Olsen was a top tight end in his prime, Ginn was never a WR1 outside of when he was forced to be in 2015 and Cotchery was in the twilight of his career. Corey Brown has never been considered very good by anyone and he lasted about three years in professional football.

It’s ok to admit Cam carried that entire offense because it’s true. He had 45 total touchdowns, 35 passing 10 rushing, with only 10 interceptions. He accounted for over 76% of the teams total yards which is second all time behind Drew Brees’ 2012 season. All with a tight end as his best receiving threat.
He didn't say offense. He said he carried the entire team. That defense was outstanding. Rated 6th in points and yards and had play makers everywhere. They played great in the SB forcing a pick, fumble and sacked Manning five times but Newton's pick and two fumbles cost them the game.
 

luuked

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I don't want to turn this into a Kaepernick thread, but please read the above two articles.

lol. I appreciate your good faith attempt but we all know that first this will turn into a cluster**** and then it all will be removed by mods.

You will not be able to argue with people who after almost 5 years still pretend not to understand what it all was about and who it was directed towards.
 

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