Lazar: Patriots Lockerroom Teetering on a Mutiny

[Ring 6]

I still think those would be too strong. We don't know if Mayo's on the verge of losing the locker room, which was Lazar's point when he issued the sort-of-retraction. All he can accurately report is there's a lot of frustration. Who it's aimed at and how it could vent isn't really known. Lazar saying it could lead to mutiny or losing the team is a possibility, but it's a leap too far that he said in the middle of an argument.

It’s his opinion and he is paid to give his opinion.
Are you saying if his opinion is negative he shouldn’t give it?

If you were a reporter in a frustrated locker room and felt a large part of the frustration was the QB controversy, would you not say so? It has always been widely reported, speculated and conjectured that QB controversies tear locker rooms apart, cause cis he’s to lose the team and lead to mutiny.
If that’s a known consequence and he sees it and believes it’s happening why wouldn’t he report it?

 

[Dec54]

I pine for the good old days.

I don't. But that is really very good

 

[Ring 6]

You don't think the Krafts give him Three years to prove himself Mayo that is??

If they go 2-15 then 3-14 and the offense is still abysmal and the defense continues to digress do you think he gets a year 3?
I’m sure the jets planned to give Rich Kotite 3 years, the 9ers with Jum Tomsula and Chip Kelly, etc etc.
I think we are going in the wrong direction. At the least Wolf needs to be on the hot seat.
I don’t think anyone is guaranteed 3 years.

 

[mike_usagisan]

It’s his opinion and he is paid to give his opinion.
Are you saying if his opinion is negative he shouldn’t give it?

If you were a reporter in a frustrated locker room and felt a large part of the frustration was the QB controversy, would you not say so? It has always been widely reported, speculated and conjectured that QB controversies tear locker rooms apart, cause cis he’s to lose the team and lead to mutiny.
If that’s a known consequence and he sees it and believes it’s happening why wouldn’t he report it?

I think if he couched it more as "It's my opinion that this could lead to a mutiny" then he probably wouldn't have had to walk it back. Saying that they are on the verge of mutiny sounds like he's reporting a fact and not offering an opinion. I think the weird place of what is opinion and what is factual reporting got muddled and is probably why someone felt it had to be cleaned up.

 

[PatsFan2]

If they go 2-15 then 3-14 and the offense is still abysmal and the defense continues to digress do you think he gets a year 3?
I’m sure the jets planned to give Rich Kotite 3 years, the 9ers with Jum Tomsula and Chip Kelly, etc etc.
I think we are going in the wrong direction. At the least Wolf needs to be on the hot seat.
I don’t think anyone is guaranteed 3 years.

AJ I think we agree that this Team would fare better with better QB play the current is worse than Mac Jones. I think if Maye gets' his chance this Teams needle starts pointing up so with good QB play I don't see a 2-15 or 3-14 seasons barring injuries of course.

 

[Scotty]

I guess Lazar had to get his booster jab of collaboration

 

[Ross12]

In case anyone wants to read it in quote form:

"Right now they are teetering on a mutiny in that locker room, and I don't want to be alarmist or ... hyperbolic ... I don't, but I was in the locker room after the game on sunday, the defense is mad at the defense, the offense is mad at the offense, you have young receivers who are literally throwing tantrums on film in Pop Douglas and Jalynn Polk, and good on Pop Douglas for owning that this week and kind of saying that he's got to be better and that kind of stuff, but I've said this before and I'll say it again, you're at the point now with 52 other guys in that locker room, that all watch these 2 quarterbacks practice every single day, that all know that they drafted Drake Maye 3rd overall, and at what point in time do some of these guys say to themselves, "why am I going out there and getting my butt kicked every single sunday and Drake can't?" - "why am I going out there with the quarterback who can't get me the football when we have the ferrari back in the garage that can get me the football?" "

 

[Boomer B]

"It's at the point now that there are 52 other guys in that locker room that all watch both these two quarterbacks practice every single day. That all know that they drafted Drake Maye third overall. And at what point in time to some of these guys say to themselves, 'Why am I going out there and getting my butt kicked every single Sunday and Drake can't? Like why am I going out there with a quarterback who can't get me the football, when we've got the Ferrari in the garage that CAN get me the football?'

 

[PatsFan2]

If they go 2-15 then 3-14 and the offense is still abysmal and the defense continues to digress do you think he gets a year 3?
I’m sure the jets planned to give Rich Kotite 3 years, the 9ers with Jum Tomsula and Chip Kelly, etc etc.
I think we are going in the wrong direction. At the least Wolf needs to be on the hot seat.
I don’t think anyone is guaranteed 3 years.

Regarding that no.

 

[Ross12]

Mayo's press conference today. He is asked about this and his response was that he hasn't heard this and is focused on the Dolphins.

 

[borg]

Mayo made a comment this week that I thought was troubling. And I could be reading too much into it. But, he was asked if he was benching Stevenson and he said he was considering it and then said “how can I say ball security equals job security and but bench him”

It sounded to me like a guy who is thinking it would hurt the team to bench Stevenson but he made a comment that says he should so now he is conflicted. I’ve seen similar comments with the Maye situation where he seems to contradict himself.

From my vantage point it feels like a guy who likes to make brash, defining statements about who we are, what we do, etc etc but then when that thing happens he is conflicted with the conviction to stick to it.

Again, I may be reading too much into it but it is unsettling.

Make no mistake, this is a Kraft Group production with a clearly defined, new executive pyramid that intentionally neuters the HC.

A HC without any real power is exactly what Thunder and his kid coveted after retaking the SS Gillette.

 

[Ring 6]

I think if he couched it more as "It's my opinion that this could lead to a mutiny" then he probably wouldn't have had to walk it back. Saying that they are on the verge of mutiny sounds like he's reporting a fact and not offering an opinion. I think the weird place of what is opinion and what is factual reporting got muddled and is probably why someone felt it had to be cleaned up.

He was speaking in a pod cast. I listened again and he said “they are teetering on a mutiny in that locker room” then said he didn’t mean to be hyperbolic, and explained exactly why he felt that way. It was clear it was an opinion, it was clear he wasn’t saying players told him that.
He had to walk it back because his employer didn’t like his it sounded.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

"It's at the point now that there are 52 other guys in that locker room that all watch both these two quarterbacks practice every single day. That all know that they drafted Drake Maye third overall. And at what point in time to some of these guys say to themselves, 'Why am I going out there and getting my butt kicked every single Sunday and Drake can't? Like why am I going out there with a quarterback who can't get me the football, when we've got the Ferrari in the garage that CAN get me the football?'

He's been a vocal "Maye should play now" guy on Twitter. This particular aspect of his rant seems more his own opinion/speculative than based on anything from the team. His attitude is that Maye should play so he's anticipating other players would feel the same, which I'm sure is true in some cases and not as true in others.

 

[Zuma]

Mutiny. Maybe it’s part of the plan to get players to really play harder for Maye once he’s starting.

 

[Rob0729]

He never said it wasn’t his opinion.
He was saying what he observed.
He didn’t walk back any observation just the phrase he used.

If things don’t change he could lose the locker room is the same as in the brink of mutiny it’s just a friendlier way of saying the same thing.

He never said he had sources, he was clear that it was what he was observing first hand.

I’m not sure how anyone ever took this as anything other than a first hand observation and a report if his perception of what he is observing. That is his job after all.

Ok, so we can agree then the story is the team is frustrated with losing and it is Lazar opinion that Mayo could lose the locker room at some point in the future is things don't change? End of story?

So we can say we are where were were at this point last year and at points the year before and what a lot of other teams who have losing records and playing really bad are probably going through right now.

So where is the story?

 

[Rob0729]

In case anyone wants to read it in quote form:

"Right now they are teetering on a mutiny in that locker room, and I don't want to be alarmist or ... hyperbolic ... I don't, but I was in the locker room after the game on sunday, the defense is mad at the defense, the offense is mad at the offense, you have young receivers who are literally throwing tantrums on film in Pop Douglas and Jalynn Polk, and good on Pop Douglas for owning that this week and kind of saying that he's got to be better and that kind of stuff, but I've said this before and I'll say it again, you're at the point now with 52 other guys in that locker room, that all watch these 2 quarterbacks practice every single day, that all know that they drafted Drake Maye 3rd overall, and at what point in time do some of these guys say to themselves, "why am I going out there and getting my butt kicked every single sunday and Drake can't?" - "why am I going out there with the quarterback who can't get me the football when we have the ferrari back in the garage that can get me the football?" "

Again, he positioned it as if it was inside information that this team is on the brink of turning on Mayo. Was that his intent? Most likely not, but that is exactly how he positioned it. You don't say the team is on the brink of mutiny and then give first hand accounts of player behavior that will support that.

The fact that he says that and says he doesn't want to be hyperbolic says implies that he is speaking on some kind of direct knowledge of it being true.

Again, I take him on his word that he didn't mean it and he just got hyped up during a podcast, but people in the media, around Patriots fandom, and on this board took him literally. So he did walk it back.

But nothing else he said was really any different than what others in the media have been reporting. And it is not uncommon behavior for a team that is 1-3 and playing like absolute dog bleep.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This is how I’m interpreting Lazar’s comments:

Players are getting upset because they are babying Maye while they are going out there in a losing effort. They know Brissett has no business being out there as the starting QB and doesn’t give them any chance at all unlike some posters here thought during the off-season.

Bob’s hand will be forced quickly to bench Brissett for Maye if the lose to a Hawk Tua less Miami.

So far, this season is going exactly as I predicted with Mayo - a complete disaster. Strong play from Maye is the only thing that could change that.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Whether Lazar was overreacting or not, this is a horrible look on the team to make him walk back the comments. That part of it to me makes it look worse than anything Lazar said.

If they just let his comments stand I would have probably just interpreted them like the same stuff most people who have been wanting Drake to start have been saying (myself included). Mutiny is a strong word and that could have been an overreaction on his part but I would be shocked if players WEREN’T pissed off about Jacoby still being the starter. But the fact that theyre so sensitive about this makes it look 100x worse.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Make no mistake, this is a Kraft Group production with a clearly defined, new executive pyramid that intentionally neuters the HC.

A HC without any real power is exactly what Thunder and his kid coveted after retaking the SS Gillette.

That was obvious when Robyn Glazer was promoted. What we didn't know was how deep the interference would run.

 

[archstanton543]

He was speaking in a pod cast. I listened again and he said “they are teetering on a mutiny in that locker room” then said he didn’t mean to be hyperbolic, and explained exactly why he felt that way. It was clear it was an opinion, it was clear he wasn’t saying players told him that.
He had to walk it back because his employer didn’t like his it sounded.

Against my better judgement I'm jumping back on the crazy train. You said this was a stone cold fact. Now you're saying it's his opinion. What changed and why?