Lavar Arrington Cut By Giants Today - Patriots Fit?

[Digger44]

Except for that, though, and the fact that he has a hard time grasping complicated defense responsibilities, he'd be a good signing, wouldn't he?

OK very funny. If he had a chance to be a role player, not have to grasp they whole system, stay healthy, lose the arrogance, and sign for 1 million or less he would be a good signing

 

[TeamPats]

Are you saying that BB coached LT and was successful coaching LT even though LT had a freelance problem??? LTs talent level did make him special. You also mention the BB coached "OLB's" that freelanced and has success at doing it. Who else are you suggesting?

I recall Pepper Johnson, the Patriots own, playing fairly undisciplined ball but again was able to make up for it using his athletisism. Listen this isn't Roosevelt Colvin, we don't need to break the bank here, would I want Lavar to have a shot to make the team. Of course, you'd be a fool not to. If he can't cut it, then you cut him. But LB is a position we need to start filling in via draft or free agency. I know BB will know best in the end, plus we have dealt with the critics before who say "he can't be coached". Lavar has never been a poor teammate, he's just simply been a bust due to injury problems.

 

[primetime]

If he wasn't a scrub, the Redskins wouldn't have cut him. If he wasn't a total scrub, the Giants wouldn't have cut him. No thanks, despite the "big name."

 

[PatsFanInVa]

No, no, no, no, no.

No.

No, no.

PFnV

 

[Remix 6]

Should Arrington be considered a has-been or a never-was?

has been

he was really a tremendous football player in college and early on..impact guy but then..injuries and it all went down

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

he can't be less disciplined then Banta-Cain.

See the TBC discussion in Dabruinz' defense analysis thread - and get ready for a wack on the nose with a rolled up newpaper!

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Well, I know Pioli. By scouts do you mean that we have actual guys get paid to go and watch tape of FA's on the market. I may be off, but the War Room is a draft day function that targets guys for the draft. Do we have one in the regular season as well? I don't know who assists Pioli or how they do it. Is there a link to where I can learn this? I understand there must be some type of talent evaluators at some level, but who are those guys/gals? Doesn't BB make those types of calls and evaluations? I understand basics of how we scout college, but is it the same for FAs?

Okay, again, I don't know if you're being sarcastic, or whether I too am making a colossal assumption. I am under the impression that there is a whole staff of individuals, broken down by region, who not only watch film, but travel to different college locations, to scout for the draft. I am not absolutely sure, but I think these guys scout as their full-time jobs (at least the main guys, if not the assistants.)

My understanding is that the war room is the end product. By the time BB sees the stacks of player rundowns, they're down from the thousands to 200 or so.

If you're being sarcastic, sorry for not getting it... and if I'm wrong and these guys only work a month or two, my bad again. I think, though, they're year-round. They certainly don't just pop into existence on draft day.

Someone know the definitive structure of the NE scouting staff?

PFnV

 

[maverick4]

By the time BB sees the stacks of player rundowns, they're down from the thousands to 200 or so.

I cannot confirm my source because I forget, but I remember reading that by the time the big guys like Belichick sit down for the draft, the Patriots' draft list is pared down to a few hundred players.

 

[zippo59]

It's a moot argument about whether he would fit here. He has nothing left.

 

[Crowpointer]

LOL my bad, but I honestly wasn't being sarcastic. I do not understand the term "front office" and want to learn what it is. So many people throw it around, but I don't know who they are or what they do. Do you?

Maybe this

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Okay, again, I don't know if you're being sarcastic, or whether I too am making a colossal assumption. I am under the impression that there is a whole staff of individuals, broken down by region, who not only watch film, but travel to different college locations, to scout for the draft. I am not absolutely sure, but I think these guys scout as their full-time jobs (at least the main guys, if not the assistants.)

My understanding is that the war room is the end product. By the time BB sees the stacks of player rundowns, they're down from the thousands to 200 or so.

If you're being sarcastic, sorry for not getting it... and if I'm wrong and these guys only work a month or two, my bad again. I think, though, they're year-round. They certainly don't just pop into existence on draft day.

Someone know the definitive structure of the NE scouting staff?

PFnV

They have Pioli, a Director of College Scouting (Tom Dimitroff), and a Director of Pro Personnel. I can't find a listing of the Patriots' Scouting department, but here is one for the Bills showing something similar to what I've read in news stories before.
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/office.jsp

 

[VJCPatriot]

First and foremost is the health issue. Are his knees shot, can he still play well with his health problems? If he is not a healthy guy there's no way he comes here.

Secondly Arrington's lack of gap discipline is well documented. One of my friends, a lifelong redskin fan, used to remark every day how Lavarr had all the athleticism in the world but would fail to cover his area, often leading to big plays for the opposing offense.

Thirdly even if Lavarr is healthy I think the most he would get is a 1 year contract for a look see. Only if he proves he can play in this defense then the Pats would sign him to an extension.

Fourthly if you want to see a PSU linebacker in Pats uni your best chance is likely to root for the Pats to draft Poz, cos I think Arrington looks like he's done. Stick a fork in him. The Pats have reclaimed some older linebackers before, but this don't look very promising.

 

[Michigan Dave]

Well, I know Pioli. By scouts do you mean that we have actual guys get paid to go and watch tape of FA's on the market. I may be off, but the War Room is a draft day function that targets guys for the draft. Do we have one in the regular season as well? I don't know who assists Pioli or how they do it. Is there a link to where I can learn this? I understand there must be some type of talent evaluators at some level, but who are those guys/gals? Doesn't BB make those types of calls and evaluations? I understand basics of how we scout college, but is it the same for FAs?

"Front Office" refers to the football personnel of a team. The GM, coach, scouts, football operations, all of those people. There is more to decision making than just the GM/Coach. Teams typically have scouts for college, and then scouts for the rest of the league, as well as football operations people.

If you have a Pats media guide, they list everyone and what they do under "Football Staff."

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Back back to Lavar. No, no, no, no, no.

Injured husk of his former self or not, frustrated underachiever or not, he has continually placed himself above the team and thrown hissy fits for the media. I know we have the Dillon counterexample, but you don't want to keep repeating that particular experiment over and over again. In his Redskin days, Lavar referred to his own individual situation over and over, and "team" was hardly in his vocabulary. I am going from memory here, but as a regular reader of the Washington sports media, I can tell you, the memory ain't a good one (not that I care if the 'Skins ever go anywhere.)

Did I mention, "no"?

PFnV

 

[ATippett56]

Back back to Lavar. No, no, no, no, no.

Injured husk of his former self or not, frustrated underachiever or not, he has continually placed himself above the team and thrown hissy fits for the media.

Did I mention, "no"?

PFnV

I agree 100%. I would rather have Junior Seau back for one last stand than Arrington, who is a definite injury liability.

 

[captain stone]

The Giants also released OL Luke Petitgout and LB Carlos Emmons. If healthy and willing, all 3 should sign somewhere, especialy Petitgout. Arrington doesn't seem to have much leverage, even with the Postons. If efforts at signing Adalius Thomas, et al., fail, then Arrington may receive a ringy-dingy post-draft.

 

[Rob0729]

I'd pass on Arrington. The guy is dumb as rocks and has no discipline that is required of a Patriots' defense. The Pats look for smart players who will do their roll in tandem with the rest of the team and not just rely on his God given abilities. Whether you want to call him a freelancer or lack gap discipline, the fact of the matter is he does not have what it takes to play certain roles that the Pats would require him to do.

Guys like Vrabel and Colvin and McGinest before them weren't the most physically gifted guys out there, but they used their football intelligence to make plays. McGinest was the king of the delayed blitz. He would wait for the oline to commit to their assignments before he rushed the passer and then chose his hole wisely. I can never see Arrington doing something like that.

With his laundry list of injuries, I don't know if he can even rely on his raw talent anymore. He is just wrong for our system.

 

[cubedoggy]

Maybe this

Is that Ernie Adams?

 

[pats63]

gaints cut him for a REASON.....gaints suck at LBers corps

 

[PATRIOT64]

gaints cut him for a REASON.....gaints suck at LBers corps

Yeah,That Lawrence Taylor sucked bad!