La Canfora: Pats trying hard to keep Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

[Ring 6]

Re: La Canfora: Pats making late push for Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

I am not getting involved in your debate as I really do not have an opinion either way.. But when read this I had to think about it because we have all heard this.. IN BB WE TRUST.. and really for the most part I do.. I mean look at the track record with this team and it is abovious he is truley a genious.. of course lets balance that with a little luck too.. having guys like Brady, Troy Brown, and Teddy Bruschi also helped a lot

But to get back to that statment that BB does what he feels is in the best interest of the "team" I had to think about what that really is?? I thought about risk reward or in this cicrumstance investment reward and the idea that maybe there is a lot more at play here then anyone of us could understand.

It is the absolute objective for any team in the NFL to make money. And for the most part creating a winning program consitutes more money.. But there in lies the quagmire that is "business"... in the realm of "winning" is there a bigger gray area... Does a team who wins the SB always make more money then a team who almost made it?? maybe, or maybe there are other factors like creating a competative team with the least amount of investment or even team with a friendly face.. we all know how and why this is a QB league.. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are money...

I have not always agreed with BB decision's. I think they should have spent the money on Asante Samual... now I do not think the CB position is one where we need to go out at any cost a get playmaker or a shut down corner.. But in the QB league and the changes in our own division we should have at least held on to such a proven talant.. In addition to missing his play abilities on the field I think he could have made a difference in the locker room this past year.

So I will leave all of the big decisions to the ones who are getting paid millions to make them but I will still keep a balanced viewpoint of what exactley is going on there.

IMHO about Bodden... he did a good job for us this year and I would not want to lose him unless they specifically had another proven player to take his place.. My guess is they want to fall back on their drafted CB and address the front line more. Again not disagreeing but still wonder if come next season when the Jets, Peyton, Saints?? are slinging the ball on us we wont be asking why we couldn't have spent some extra money on the CB spot.

I think that in an uncapped system success on the field vs financially can be 2 different goals.
But prior to this off-season, the decision to not pay Samuel or any other player had nothing to do with finances per se, but with DISTRIBUTION of finances.
In other words, not paying Samuel was not in order to not pay the money, it was in order to pay it elsewhere.

 

[NickOGS20]

Re: La Canfora: Pats making late push for Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle is saying Bodden's price has come right down. Hard to see how we'd lose out if that's the case, unless we weren't his first choice as initially stated.

 

[flycessna]

Re: La Canfora: Pats making late push for Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

I think that in an uncapped system success on the field vs financially can be 2 different goals.
But prior to this off-season, the decision to not pay Samuel or any other player had nothing to do with finances per se, but with DISTRIBUTION of finances.
In other words, not paying Samuel was not in order to not pay the money, it was in order to pay it elsewhere.

I agree, good points!

Do you think it's possible that in deciding how they distribute money winning a SB short term is not the priority but rather the long term competitivness is?

With free agency and salary caps balancing short term goals vs long term goals can be a logistical nightmare. And I do believe that the Pats want to win a SB and probably more so are looking into next 4 year window knowing they have a guy like TB at the helm with a window that is closing.. (You think replacing a CB is tough.. wait until TB is no longer around.. it could take decades to find another one like him )

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: La Canfora: Pats making late push for Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

What you're continuing to demonstrate here is that you have no idea of what objectivity is. This has nothing to do with arrogance on my part. It has everything to do with you not understanding the definition of objectivity.

FFS, neither one of your are objective. Get over it.

/thread

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: La Canfora: Pats making late push for Bodden - Texans and Steelers in it

I think that in an uncapped system success on the field vs financially can be 2 different goals.
But prior to this off-season, the decision to not pay Samuel or any other player had nothing to do with finances per se, but with DISTRIBUTION of finances.
In other words, not paying Samuel was not in order to not pay the money, it was in order to pay it elsewhere.

Somewhat true, but they still aren't opposing goals. Even without a salary cap, every team still has a budget. Just because there isn't a hard cap doesn't mean that a team can spend infinity dollars as long as it chooses to value on-field success.

Anyone who expects the Pats to go tack 50% onto their payroll since there are no concrete rules saying that they can't is going to be disappointed, and it has nothing to do with being cheap. It has to do with the futility of running a business that loses money.

 

[zipster9]

Bodden is looking for $5million/yr.

He is not worth that. More likely $4million/yr. A 4yrs @ 17million would be the range.

Will depend on Texans. They didnt want 9/10million for Dunta. But, they may be enticed at 1/2 the price, in Bodden.

Patriots still needs to change their ways. AFC East is getting stronger, and Patriots are getting weaker.

Last year shows how tight it is becoming...

You need to decent, stable CBs.

BTW - I really, really wanted Boldin (WR). Marshall would be excellent, but, as others on this board says, he has an attitude. But, then again, Moss did too? Reason I like Marshall is how he plays. After he catches the ball, he is not afraid to fight for more yards when being tackled..

A MOSS-MARSHALL-WELKER corps would be outstanding. It would counter the REVIS-CROMARTIE defense.

But, giving up a #1 pick is pretty high.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Bodden is looking for $5million/yr.

He is not worth that. More likely $4million/yr. A 4yrs @ 17million would be the range.

Will depend on Texans. They didnt want 9/10million for Dunta. But, they may be enticed at 1/2 the price, in Bodden.

Patriots still needs to change their ways. AFC East is getting stronger, and Patriots are getting weaker.

Last year shows how tight it is becoming...

You need to decent, stable CBs.

BTW - I really, really wanted Boldin (WR). Marshall would be excellent, but, as others on this board says, he has an attitude. But, then again, Moss did too? Reason I like Marshall is how he plays. After he catches the ball, he is not afraid to fight for more yards when being tackled..

A MOSS-MARSHALL-WELKER corps would be outstanding. It would counter the REVIS-CROMARTIE defense.

But, giving up a #1 pick is pretty high.

If Bodden was willing to play for $5M per, I expect that he'd be signed already; the Pats would have made him a 4 year, $20M offer within 5 seconds of FA beginning. I'd be surprised if he's making less than $7M per when it's all said and done.

 

[PatsBoy12]

According to a league source, Bodden is scheduled to meet with the Texans at the beginning of the week.

 

[zipster9]

According to Texans beat reporter John McClain, free agent CB Leigh Bodden's price tag "has come way down."
Bodden may have originally been targeting a Dunta Robinson-like $57 million mega deal, but he isn't going to get it. The 28-year-old may have to settle for a contract similar to Jabari Greer's last offseason. The Saints signed Greer for $22 million over four years along with just over $10M guaranteed. Mar. 7 - 5:28 pm et
Source: John McClain on Twitter


Meaning 5million range.

 

[ausbacker]

I'd pay Bodden 5 million for 4 years. I said that from the very outset. Sign the beast.

 

[VJCPatriot]

According to Texans beat reporter John McClain, free agent CB Leigh Bodden's price tag "has come way down."
Bodden may have originally been targeting a Dunta Robinson-like $57 million mega deal, but he isn't going to get it. The 28-year-old may have to settle for a contract similar to Jabari Greer's last offseason. The Saints signed Greer for $22 million over four years along with just over $10M guaranteed. Mar. 7 - 5:28 pm et
Source: John McClain on Twitter

If that's all he costs, I think the Pats will match for sure. That increases his chances of remaining a Patriot.

 

[mgteich]

I'd certainly want us to pay Bodden what Greer got last year $22M over four years, with $10M guaranteed).

I agree that if all he wanted was $5M a year, he'd be signed already.

 

[ausbacker]

I'd certainly want us to pay Bodden what Greer got last year $22M over four years, with $10M guaranteed).

I agree that if all he wanted was $5M a year, he'd be signed already.

I agree. Something definitely seems fishy.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I'd pay Bodden 5 million for 4 years. I said that from the very outset. Sign the beast.

Definitely. If the Pats aren't willing to pay that, and someone else signs him for such a reasonable amount, then I'll finally concede that Belichick is lost in the FO without Pioli.

 

[patsinthesnow]

I agree. Something definitely seems fishy.

Something is fishy, only thing I can think of is if BB wants to go with:

Butler/Wheatley
or
Butler/Wilhite

I'd be more confident with Bodden.

 

[patsfan-1982]

5 million is not much more then TBC got. if he wanted that he would have been signed all redy. i think he started off wanting with robinson, got and he is seeing that teams only want to give him 5 or 6 million a year. if the pats offer him 7 he will be back

 

[Kontradiction]

Just to save myself the time of having to go through the thread and read everything...

I agree with everyone and everything in this thread.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Something is fishy, only thing I can think of is if BB wants to go with:

Butler/Wheatley
or
Butler/Wilhite

I'd be more confident with Bodden.

Wilhite and Wheatley are scrap heap. They make Hobbs look like an All pro

 

[zipster9]

Wilhite and Wheatley are scrap heap. They make Hobbs look like an All pro

Butler just finished year-1. But, he does have potential. He needs more guidance, which depends on our Secondary-coach.

Wheatley is part of the scrap heap. He's had couple of years to prove himself, and failed.

Wilhite I'm not so sure if he is on the scrap heap, yet. It is frustrating when he has his back when the ball arrives at the WR. But, he is always there. I think he needs coaching as well. If our Secondary coach, sucks, then our players will suck.

I think it is possible, we will draft a 6' CB in April. One can only hope. But,


Bodden - Butler CBs
Merriweather-Chung Safeties

Willhite, McGown Nickel

 

[Rob0729]

If his lower contract demands report is true, he will stay a Patriot if he really is true to his word and wants to stay a Patriot.