Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[PatsWSB47]

You really don't have the intelligence to be passing judgement on other people's thought process.

You think you do because that's what you really want to believe and that's it.

Had you actually followed the facts vs pursued your misguided holier than thou (without the brains to back it up) act, you would have noticed that TB wanted the balls set at 12.5 minimum and that crew was always over inflating.

See post Jets emails.

My take exactly. I'm not ruling out that balls were deflated a bit but if they were it was to correct the sloppy work of the leagues preparation of them. The league prior to deflategate could care less whether a ball's psi actually fell between 12.5 and 13.5......but we're going way off topic here

 

[Steve102]

Is this really necessary? Is there no right to privacy? Or denency? Play it for the jury if it goes that far. Public? What is wrong with us?

Guilty in the court of public opinion. They just want to damage Kraft. There's a vendetta or some BS. Perhaps these guys that scream this is about his politics are correct. If so, Tom Brady better keep his head down and keep posting pics of him and Gisele, professing his undying love.

 

[neuronet]

I have to agree that the stuff police do to catch prostitutes and Johns frankly seems more immoral than the crime of prostitution. It's bizarre AF. Recording sex acts and releasing video to the public? Seriously?! This seems to cross a line. If it were TMZ and not the DA/PD then ok. It's pretty much at the level of sleaze as what happened with Hulk Hogan, but institutionally sanctioned.

 

[letekro]

I am kind of sick of people always denying the things that they do wrong. When did we become a society of cowards who hide our misdeeds and mistakes? I suppose we've always been that, but it does piss me off.

I've lived my entire life taking responsibility for my mistakes and being truthful at every opportunity. It annoys me to all hell that Kraft would just deny this when there is video evidence. This is the wrong example to set for fans and for Americans in general. Too often, the first move a guilty person makes is to cover up and deny. We need to be better than that.

When you are charged with a crime, admitting things before you have reviewed the evidence against you and considered what additional charges may be brought is foolish.

 

[XLIX]

Let me ask you something, he is facing up to a year in jail, would you walk in there without a lawyer? If the answer is no and you were paying the lawyer, would you listen to him? If so, then everything you just said is nonsense. No lawyer is going to tell you to cop to it.

It is perfectly plausible for a lawyer to tell a client - even a billionaire - to plead guilty (or no contest) for a wide variety of reasons.

The prosecutor and judge may not be so eager to just drop charges against such a high profile individual. Kraft is not going to go to jail so a guilty/no contest plea could save him an awful lot of humiliation if these sex tapes do indeed exist.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I think you're wrong. Crimes are committed in changing rooms. Crimes are committed in massage parlors. Crimes are committed in bathroom stalls. Not everyone that uses those places commits a crime. If I were recorded on camera in any of those places I would file a criminal complaint against them. They are recording undressed people whether they are breaking the law or not. That cant be legal, can it?

Bottom line is they did not have to record all these "acts" to bust up a human trafficking ring. They did it to embarrass johns, while using these women as pawns during the process. It's a horrific act, because you'll never embarrass enough johns to stop demand (hell most older men in WPB couldn't probably care less about this sort of thing) and all the while, you've allowed the exploitation of these women to be extended in duration and magnitude. As it's been said by myself and many others, regardless of what you feel about prostitution laws, the end here doesn't justify the means.

I do believe you can have a reasonable expectation to privacy in a public restroom and a changing room
CNN.com - A federal court puts the 'public' In 'public restrooms' - Feb 9, 2005

People have this warped sense of the right to privacy. If the cops suspect there are criminal acts taking place anywhere, whether it’s a private home or public place, they have the right to get a search warrant and set up cameras. As long as there is enough probable cause to satisfy a judge, they are allowed to do so. And this is the correct approach.

 

[Nunchucks]

When you are charged with a crime, admitting things before you have reviewed the evidence against you and considered what additional charges may be brought is foolish.

Look, he could have said nothing in the public sphere. We are all used to hearing people say that they will not comment on an investigation or legal matter.

 

[Triumph]

Report: Kraft not expected to dispute charges

I see what Kraft likely did here.

He waited to see how the NFL would react before taking his medicine. All he needed was time to convince 8 owners to not throw him under the bus. Probably been in contact with his pal Roger too. The "Im innocent" statement from Krafts lawyer also casts doubt in some folks mind that this never happened.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Look, he could have said nothing in the public sphere. We are all used to hearing people say that they will not comment on an investigation or legal matter.

Kraft looks like a liar now. He’s lost all credibility.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

People have this warped sense of the right to privacy. If the cops suspect there are criminal acts taking place anywhere, whether it’s a private home or public place, they have the right to get a search warrant and set up cameras. As long as there is enough probable cause to satisfy a judge, they are allowed to do so. And this is the correct approach.

I was referring to making it public, not the recording to prove a crime.

 

[PatsWSB47]

People have this warped sense of the right to privacy. If the cops suspect there are criminal acts taking place anywhere, whether it’s a private home or public place, they have the right to get a search warrant and set up cameras. As long as there is enough probable cause to satisfy a judge, they are allowed to do so. And this is the correct approach.

l admit I cant site law and verse but let me ask you a question. Let's say lots of girls outfits were coming up missing in a clothing store. Would you be okay with law enforcement having video of your wife or girlfriend undressed because they believe the they were being stolen in the dressing rooms?

 

[Bill Lee]

I am kind of sick of people always denying the things that they do wrong. When did we become a society of cowards who hide our misdeeds and mistakes? I suppose we've always been that, but it does piss me off.

I've lived my entire life taking responsibility for my mistakes and being truthful at every opportunity. It annoys me to all hell that Kraft would just deny this when there is video evidence. This is the wrong example to set for fans and for Americans in general. Too often, the first move a guilty person makes is to cover up and deny. We need to be better than that.

Huh? We have three reports on this page alone saying he's not going to contest the charges.

Beyond that, of course a spokesman is going to issue a denial while options are being evaluated. We're all entitled to be innocent till proved guilty. Getting convicted in the press is pretty much a denial of the due process we're all entitled to, innocent or guilty. No one mandates that we fall on our swords and take the max penalty out of some sense of guilt.

Kraft looks like a liar now. He’s lost all credibility.

His reputation was shot the minute the charges were issued. Once that happened it was all damage control.

 

[Antdawg]

I have to agree that the stuff police do to catch prostitutes and Johns frankly seems more immoral than the crime of prostitution. It's bizarre AF. Recording sex acts and releasing video to the public? Seriously?! This seems to cross a line. If it were TMZ and not the DA/PD then ok. It's pretty much at the level of sleaze as what happened with Hulk Hogan, but institutionally sanctioned.

People have this warped sense of the right to privacy. If the cops suspect there are criminal acts taking place anywhere, whether it’s a private home or public place, they have the right to get a search warrant and set up cameras. As long as there is enough probable cause to satisfy a judge, they are allowed to do so. And this is the correct approach.

"Criminal acts" is a broad brush. We're not talking about conspiracy to commit murder here. We're talking about old dudes receiving handies for cash. They didn't need to put that on film to bust up a human trafficking ring. At some point violating privacy of ordinary citizens should have boundaries. That they filmed all this WHILE ALLOWING MORE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY to take place sort of defeats the purpose and prolonged the exploitation of these women. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this.

 

[Triumph]

Jerry Jones no pants pics pale in comparison to this fiasco.

The Patriots are better at everything.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Kraft looks like a liar now. He’s lost all credibility.

In the long run it’s not a big deal. That was his way of fishing to see what they had on him.

 

[Triumph]

His reputation was shot the minute the charges were issued. Once that happened it was all damage control.

Yep, thats why I stated that Kraft should admit guilt and apologize. Letterman did and his misdeeds went away relatively quick. People will give you another chance if youre honest with them.

Kraft did this. There are 2 videos. Numerous witnesses including Krafts very own driver who cannot lie unless he wants to face prosecution. He can verify that Kraft was there on a certain date and time. Not admitting and playing hardball with the city of Jupiter courts and police department is stupid. You make them all out to be liars and corrupt when youre the one at fault.

 

[Antdawg]

Kraft looks like a liar now. He’s lost all credibility.

Kraft looks like a human now.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

l admit I cant site law and verse but let me ask you a question. Let's say lots of girls outfits were coming up missing in a clothing store. Would you be okay with law enforcement having video of your wife or girlfriend undressed because they believe the they were being stolen in the dressing rooms?

Stores already have cameras set up everywhere, even in dressing rooms.

 

[Antdawg]

Stores already have cameras set up everywhere, even in dressing rooms.

Not true. It depends on what state you're in. Some states that is legal, others it is not due to privacy laws.

 

[XLIX]

"Criminal acts" is a broad brush. We're not talking about conspiracy to commit murder here. We're talking about old dudes receiving handies for cash. They didn't need to put that on film to bust up a human trafficking ring.

What makes you so sure? We live in a country where securing convictions can be very difficult. Look at how vehemently Kraft’s lawyer denied any illegal activity. Now suppose there was no film. Precisely how do you go about getting a conviction? You would need the masseuse to cooperate but who the hell knows what she might say.

This is a situation where you tend to get denials from both parties of the act. So if the woman says nothing illegal happened and the John says nothing illegal happened, you’re likely going to need something else.