Kraft admits he sold the team out

[PatriotsReign]

By your logic, Goodell's been perfect since becoming commissioner.

Can you explain your comment? My post was about Patriot players relationship with Kraft.

Do you disagree Kraft is one of the most loved owners from Patriot players perspective? If so, what do you disagree with?

And what does that have to do with Goodell’s performance?

Brady is closer to Kraft than he is with Belichick.

 

[Ring 6]

Answering this question will tell you why we're laughing at you:

Who would Robert Kraft be appealing to?

Failure to execute a nonoption is not part of exhausting your options.

Umm, that was ME laughing.

Robert Kraft would have appealed the inaccurate and poorly conducted findings of the wells report to a man he has always supported, always spoken highly of, public shoes affection toward, chooses to employ and chose to offer a long term extension to.
If you are questioning the integrity of who he would appeal to you should ask kraft why he supports someone who would give him no prayer in an appeal when kraft is 100% right.

 

[Ring 6]

Can you explain your comment? My post was about Patriot players relationship with Kraft.

Do you disagree Kraft is one of the most loved owners from Patriot players perspective? If so, what do you disagree with?

And what does that have to do with Goodell’s performance?

Brady is closer to Kraft than he is with Belichick.

Kraft is their only owner so yes they love him the most. They would also hate him the most too huh.

Not sure how you quantify that brady is closer to kraft. He works much closer with belichick. He relies much more on belichick. Belichick being a hc who doesn’t socialize with players doesn’t make the owners who likes to have his picture taken closer.

 

[Ring 6]

"often?" Running into a situation where you are going against 31 other owners is a thing that never happens "often."

That’s not what those words mean, but it’s happened at least 3 times now.

No it doesn't. It's a weakness, but hardly a fatal flaw.

Of course it does.

You know, Jean Piaget's theories of mental growth an development suggest most people graduate out of the mental state where they see the world in absolutes with no gray areas or middle ground somewhere around age 11. Still waiting for your turn?

Look if you want to be a smart ass douchebag I will just put you on ignore. Grow up. There is no place for crap like that here. Grow up.

By the way great or terrible is not black and white with no gray in between, they are subjective terms, so all you did with this attempt to look smart while taking an ad hominem shot at me I’d embarrass yourself.

You do know that there are other quality coaches out there. But since hiring Belichick was his own idea and he was willing to pay the price in draft picks to put the best man he could find in charge of his team, I don't think your hypothetical is anything but noise.

I give him full credit for hiring belichick. But the success this franchise had had is because of belichick not kraft. Without belichick it doesn’t happen. And the patriots are left with no dynasty to cover up the fact that the owner is more concerned with what is best for the other owners than his own franchise.
Those are his words.

 

[Ring 6]

Simple questions.

1. Name an owner who would have done what you wanted Kraft to do.
2. Would you trust that owner to have as much success as Kraft had?
3. Is there an owner in the NFL that you would prefer to have over Kraft since he took over the team?
4. Do you think Kraft was a net positive or net negative for this franchise?

1) I think many owners would have appealed.

2) that is a nonsensical question. I would expect belichick to hsbf as much success as he did if a different owner hired him.

3) There is no way to answer that. I would rather have almost any other owner provider they hired belichick, left him alone, and fought when goodell tried to screw the franchise.
You are trying to credit kraft for belichicks success.
If kraft was the only man in the world who would have hired belichick (which he isn’t) then he would be the best owner because the success is due to belichick and he has had more success in spite of kraft than another coach would have with a better owner.

4) including hiring belichick a net positive, aside from hiring belichick a net negative.

 

[Ring 6]

I have to wonder if, someday in the not so near future ( he's not young anymore), Kraft is lying on his deathbed and lamenting his errors over not taking the sword for the man who built his empire.

I think he is happy with what he did. He has other objectives than what is best for the patriots. I don’t.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Stop me if you have heard this phrase before in the last year.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them. THE FIRST TIME."

Kraft has now shown all of us who he really is. One of 32 owners who really don't care about anything other than grifting and $$ and the bottom line. That's fine. But as we see from this now almost 12 page thread, Kraft should expect a pushback from fans who expected him to at least show some sort of fire in regards to his franchise's greatest asset being mudslung every which way. It is just too bad.

 

[Ring 6]

So this thread seems to be ready to wing dien. Good time for a recap.

People are saying the kraft was right to not appeal and fight the punishment.

We all agree that nothing happened so if a really good defense was put on it should win.

The ironic thing is that people defending kraft are defending him because they are convinced that kraft had no chance of winning even if he priced beyond the shadow of a doubt that the wells report got it wrong and nothing happened because of the man who would hear the appeal, who would find the patriots and kraft guilty even if he was proven without doubt the did nothing.

That man works for kraft. Kraft was part of the decision making to hire him. Kraft defended every decision he has made. Kraft publicly supports him. Kraft public shoes affection to him. Kraft voted to keep him in the job and extend his contract and give him a raise. Kraft stood up for him to the owner that objected to his contract extension. Kraft spends private social time with him. Kraft has never said a negative word about him.

Why would kraft act that way toward a man who he believes would take a million dollars of his money, his teams draft assets and stain the reputation of his franchise player (and call him a cheater and a liar) just for fun even knowing he was not guilty of anything.

Someone needs to explain that one to me.

 

[Soliel]

Yea, me too

Because I said I would I’ve spent about two hours going through all google has on this subject.

Now, the giants complain about the Steelers and roger says it’s all ok because refs checked the balls before game.. hmm

I was under the impression the officials measured every ball before any game.
Hmm

 

[Simpelton]

Umm, that was ME laughing.

Robert Kraft would have appealed the inaccurate and poorly conducted findings of the wells report to a man he has always supported, always spoken highly of, public shoes affection toward, chooses to employ and chose to offer a long term extension to.
If you are questioning the integrity of who he would appeal to you should ask kraft why he supports someone who would give him no prayer in an appeal when kraft is 100% right.

You mean he should take his appeal to the guy he tried to do a friendly backroom deal with instead, who despite a wink-and-a-handshake deal with Kraft that caused him to step aside, stabbed him in the back and executed his vendetta against Brady anyway?

That's the guy who you think the outcome would change if Kraft took an appeal to him in formal process?

You think that playing TV lawyer in front of the guy whose brainchild the suspension was in the first place is going to get you anywhere?

How well do you actually think that appeal would have gone? Remember, Brady DID appeal to Goodell. How did that go?

you have an appallingly excessive faith in facts and truth to carry a quasilegal process ruled by the caprice of one man whose opinions are already known. No appeal was going to do anything because the only person to appeal TO is the guy who set the original punishment.

The fact of the matter is that Kraft knew that the formal process wasn't going to benefit him, so he tried an informal process. That didn't work either. So it's fair to say that Kraft was ineffective, it's not fair to say he did nothing.

 

[Ring 6]

You mean he should take his appeal to the guy he tried to do a friendly backroom deal with instead, who despite a wink-and-a-handshake deal with Kraft that caused him to step aside, stabbed him in the back and executed his vendetta against Brady anyway?

You just made that entire thing up and kraft himself contradicts it with his own words, still. But he keeps hugging, praising and defending goodell.

That's the guy who you think the outcome would change if Kraft took an appeal to him in formal process?

You think that playing TV lawyer in front of the guy whose brainchild the suspension was in the first place is going to get you anywhere?

How well do you actually think that appeal would have gone? Remember, Brady DID appeal to Goodell. How did that go?

We will never know just as we will never know how Brady’s would have gone if he could gave out in a defense that wasn’t derailed by destroying his phone.

you have an appallingly excessive faith
in facts and truth

You just explained the difference between you and I. I trust the facts, you make things up.

carry a quasilegal process ruled by the caprice of one man whose opinions are already known. No appeal was going to do anything because the only person to appeal TO is the guy who set the original punishment.

His opinions were that he accepted the wells report and had no reason not to. Kraft chose not to refute it. You have no idea how a rebuttal would have been received.

The fact of the matter is that Kraft knew that the formal process wasn't going to benefit him, so he tried an informal process. That didn't work either. So it's fair to say that Kraft was ineffective, it's not fair to say he did nothing.

That is not a fact by any means. The fact is, as kraft himself says, he chose not to appeal because what is best for the other 31 owners is more important than what is best for the patriots. That is exactly what kraft said.
You just made up things that never happened, that are different than what kraft himself says.
There was no informal process, he did nothing.

And if your answer were true, then goodell literally looked kraft in the eye and said fu I’m going to screw you even thigh you did nothing because I can. And kraft continues to support, defend, praise, hug and protect his job.
That actually would be a worse reflection on kraft that the truth is.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Yes it’s pretty much the textbook definition of a bandwagon fan. “I’m so mad at the NFL that once we stop winning Super Bowls every couple of years, I’m done!!”

First of all, I'm not mad, ...much.
Secondly, I don't know how old you are, but Football is not what it was years ago.

I'm sure your knowledge of the game is beyond mine. (I actually have much more important (to me) hobbies).

But I love the game and the Pats.

TB and BB are the LAST of what real Football is supposed to be. IMO
It will never be the same after them.

Fans are jumping off the boat in droves.
Sorry if it doesn't fit your vision, but that is reality. IMO

I may keep watching. IDK.?
But, I just want to spite the league. They don't care about us!!!. They want our $$$, Period!

I would love to leave this mess while we are on top, with TB and BB. Otherwise, I would have stopped already. I feel I owe TB and BB that much.

I know MANY fans, who have been watching FB for a VERY long time, who are fed up.

If you want to call them (or me) "Band wagon", "fair weather" fans, fine. It's actually funny.

Doesn't change the fact that, that is what happening.

I used to like listening to the radio too. It sucks now.

It's NOT REAL anymore.

Do what you like, but don't criticize my decisions.

Enjoy your "Football" .

Seriously, if you enjoy it, by all means, continue to watch.

I don't consider your choice a bad thing. It would be nice to allow me to do the same.
Just like MANY others are doing.

 

[Soliel]

bb are gone. Sorry, but it is reality. I don't know how old you are,
Whether you like or agree, Foot ball, as you know it will be gone when TB and

First of all, I'm not mad, ...much.
Secondly, I don't know how old you are, but Football is not what it was years ago.

I'm sure your knowledge of the game is beyond mine. (I actually have much more important (to me) hobbies).

But I love the game and the Pats.

TB and BB are the LAST of what real Football is supposed to be. IMO
It will never be the same after them.

Fans are jumping of the boat in droves.
Sorry if it doesn't fit your vision, but that is reality.

I may keep watching. IDK.
But I just want to spite the league. They don't care about us!!!. They want our $$$, Period!

I would love to leave this mess while we are on top, with TB and BB. Otherwise, I would have stopped already. I feel I owe TB and BB that much.

I know MANY fans, who have been watching FB for a VERY long time, who are fed up.

If you want to call them (or me) "Band wagon", "fair weather" fans, fine. It's actually funny.

Doesn't change the fact that, that is what happening.

I used to like listening to the radio too. It sucks now.

It's NOT REAL anymore.

Do what you like, but don't criticize my decisions.

Enjoy your "Football" .

Seriously, if you enjoy it, by all means, continue to watch.

I don't consider your choice a bad thing. It would be nice to allow me to do the same.
Just like MANY others are doing.

Great argument man. Wish I had the ability to articulate that. This is what I was attempting to say earlier. I’ve been watching for 40 years, always loved the game but let’s keep it real, when these guys leave it’s a wrap. I’ll probably watch out of habit and love of the pats but I’d be a liar and in denial if I didn’t agree on this simple fact... the radio does suck too

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Great argument man. Wish I had the ability to articulate that. This is what I was attempting to say earlier. I’ve been watching for 40 years, always loved the game but let’s keep it real, when these guys leave it’s a wrap. I’ll probably watch out of habit and love of the pats but I’d be a liar and in denial if I didn’t agree on this simple fact... the radio does suck too

Try whiskey and a little weed.

JK, of course.

 

[Soliel]

I try to drink as much as possible. Lol

Kinda like edibles. It don’t help my vocabulary problems here though, I read some posts here and one side is always heated, then I get either laughing or kinda pissed off. I’ve had a lot of arguments about football over the years. Especially on topics like this. People at pft probably want to have me booted off there lol

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Oh my.
1. That was easy, right?
2. Hiring of Bill B: Does anyone remember the day Kraft hired Bill B? His previous head coaching record was 37-45. He was head coach for the Jets for one day and abruptly quit. During his Pats press conference he unravelled a small piece of paper and read a statement. Many members here would state that this was the individual they would have hired.....

How many owners would allow their head coach to consistently make moves as trading down in the draft, trading defensive and offensive stars in their primes? Or trading a popular linebacker to Cleveland for a 3rd round pick? In Bill We Trust is easy when your fortune isn't on the line. He built an empire from a franchise that played games at Fenway and Boston College. Previous owners were known for bankruptcy and lewd comments.

I am humored by members stating they will quit watching once BB and Brady are gone. Bandwagon much? Kraft has publicly stated that he made a mistake, which is foreign territory to some. He made a mistake and admitted it. It is possible that the Patriots will have more Lombardi's then any NFL club. Although, I'm sure Kraft had little to do with that.

BB was already well known as one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL with 2 rings and another SB appearance. He was going to get another shot at HC. In fact he had one already when he chose to leave.

BB and Brady are responsible for the franchises meteoric rise. If anything Kraft owes them for the money and fame he has. But he sold them out for league politics instead.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Try whiskey and a little weed.

JK, of course.

I don't want to give you a Disagree for this, but if I did it would be for the JK part of your post!

 

[IllegalContact]

...says the poster who constantly *****es about posters that are *****ing.

What a useless comeback......good thing all your ***** pals got your back

 

[IllegalContact]

BB was already well known as one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL with 2 rings and another SB appearance. He was going to get another shot at HC. In fact he had one already when he chose to leave.

BB and Brady are responsible for the franchises meteoric rise. If anything Kraft owes them for the money and fame he has. But he sold them out for league politics instead.

That’s a load of ****.....no kraft, no pats.....next!

 

[IllegalContact]

Stop me if you have heard this phrase before in the last year.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them. THE FIRST TIME."

Kraft has now shown all of us who he really is. One of 32 owners who really don't care about anything other than grifting and $$ and the bottom line. That's fine. But as we see from this now almost 12 page thread, Kraft should expect a pushback from fans who expected him to at least show some sort of fire in regards to his franchise's greatest asset being mudslung every which way. It is just too bad.

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