Kirwin rant on Suh

[hwc]

I knew this would be good. He led off the show with Suh. Listed Brady's deal compared to Suh. Manning's deal compared to Suh. Brees' deal compared to Suh. Flacco's deal compared to Suh. And Rothlisberger's deal compared to Suh.

"What's Suh's record against those guys? He's played 'em all... He's 3 and 11 against those guys with 4.5 sacks...."

Then he started in on LeSean McCoy's deal in Buffalo....

 

[hwc]

"Some of these cap guys weren't in the league the first time the cap money exploded. A lot of guys got fired before finding out that you can't buy championships in free agency...."

 

[JJP]

Re-sign Revis and the Patriots have already won the NFL offseason. The rest is gravy, now that McCourty is back in the fold. Beefing up defenses may -- MAY -- help the Bills and Dolphins make the post-season next year; but it won't dethrone the Pats from the top of the AFC East. Bills still have no quarterback. Miami's quarterback is middle of the pack at best. Yet the great media pundits think that whoever calls the shots in Miami (former Jet GM Mike Tannenbaum? ha ha ha) breaking the bank to sign that future convict Suh is enough?

How'd that work out for the Lions (with Suh) this past Super Bowl winning season? Hhhmmm: Patriots 34, Lions 9. Nice.

And Suh's stat line:



Life is good. We've got the rest of the AFC East so nervous, they're willing to throw money at anything to dethrone BB and TB12. Maybe in 2030. But not now.

 

[hwc]

Just had Devin McCourty on for an interview. No real earthshattering news. Basically what we heard last night.

 

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

Re-sign Revis and the Patriots have already won the NFL offseason. The rest is gravy, now that McCourty is back in the fold. Beefing up defenses may -- MAY -- help the Bills and Dolphins make the post-season next year; but it won't dethrone the Pats from the top of the AFC East. Bills still have no quarterback. Miami's quarterback is middle of the pack at best. Yet the great media pundits think that whoever calls the shots in Miami (former Jet GM Mike Tannenbaum? ha ha ha) breaking the bank to sign that future convict Suh is enough?

How'd that work out for the Lions (with Suh) this past Super Bowl winning season? Hhhmmm: Patriots 34, Lions 9. Nice.

And Suh's stat line:

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Life is good. We've got the rest of the AFC East so nervous, they're willing to throw money at anything to dethrone BB and TB12. Maybe in 2030. But not now.

Sweet sig.

 

[JJP]

Sweet sig.

Ditto, my friend!

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Rant = intelligent, obvious conclusion

 

[neuronet]

Yes, that sig alone makes this thread worth reading.

 

[hwc]

"You can't live in the moment in the cap world. You have to live with vision three years down the road. And, if you don't, you are going to get caught and you are going to have to go to cap jail..."

"It's not a good problem to not have a QB you don't have to pay. It's a bad problem...."

"I tried to buy a veteran championship team for my owner. I was all for it. And, I got burned....."

"If your 21st and 22nd players are entry level guys because you can't afford any more than that, good opponents are going to find 'em and burn 'em every time....."

 

[VrabelJr]

Giving contracts like that to anything but a QB pretty much guarantees you won't win a Super Bowl.

Actually, are there any teams that have won a Super Bowl with a QB getting paid such a high percentage of the cap either?

 

[dales804]

Barnwell wrote about Suh today. Said basically that his impact and ability to make those around him better does not equal the money he's going to get paid, like that of Brady, Manning, Brees, etc. To pay a DT that kind of money, MIA is going to have to weaken other areas of the team that will offset what he adds.

But Suh played pretty well in that game last year. He was stupid for talking trash to Brady when his team was getting killed in the 4th quarter, though.

 

[Gwedd]

Giving contracts like that to anything but a QB pretty much guarantees you won't win a Super Bowl.

Actually, are there any teams that have won a Super Bowl with a QB getting paid such a high percentage of the cap either?

Nope. Along the Suh lines, the Redskins & Albert Haynesworth comes to mind.

Heck, ANY thing and the Redskins comes to mind.

 

[Rob0729]

Suh has been the best DT for a number of years and the Lions have made the playoffs once. What does that tell you?

Never build a team around a single defensive player. You build around a QB (or if you in Seattle's case you build a great defense from top to bottom without one overpaid standout player).

 

[kennyb]

If Suh gets that much, then Revis will find someone willing to pay that as well.

 

[livinginthe past]

Lets be real here - a LOT of the HC/GM's doing the big spending probably figure they wont be around in 3 years to deal with the cap hell if they don't start getting immediate results.

The beauty of the Belichick situation is that he has as much job security as any HC/GM has ever had in the NFL - he can afford to think long term.

Guys like Rex Ryan, even though he is in his 1st year in Buffalo, know that he is on a short leash if he continues the downward performance spiral of his coaching career to date.

I think Idzik tried to curb Ryans flamboyant spending but ended up going a little too far the other way and it cost both of them their jobs.

 

[letekro]

About as dominant as it gets in the interior D-line. At the end of the day though, no interior D-lineman is worth that kind of money, IMO.

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh no! This will prevent them from signing their elite QB to an appropriate deal.



Wait.....

 

[hwc]

About as dominant as it gets in the interior D-line. At the end of the day though, no interior D-lineman is worth that kind of money, IMO.

That's what Kirwin said. He's not against Suh. Thinks Suh in the best DT in the NFL. Just that giving any DT that much cap space is stupid.

 

[Bill Lee]

Giving contracts like that to anything but a QB pretty much guarantees you won't win a Super Bowl.

Suh has been the best DT for a number of years and the Lions have made the playoffs once. What does that tell you?

Lets be real here - a LOT of the HC/GM's doing the big spending probably figure they wont be around in 3 years to deal with the cap hell if they don't start getting immediate results.

I agree with all of the above. I've also read the Suh deal angers a lot of other team execs because up till now they've been able to reserve the big time deals (especially with regard to guaranteed money) for franchise QBs, and now other top players can say, "yeah but look what Suh got". Add to this that some pretty mediocre QBs are getting franchise QB money, and it's going to cause a lot of grief in the years to come.

By the way there's no NFL rule that would prevent a team from making the entire sum guaranteed. We're starting to see deals with larger and larger amounts of guaranteed money, both on a percent and on an absolute basis. Team execs are dreading this - it'd be just like MLB with "dead money" you're actually paying - but the trend line seems to heading that way. Just think of what happens to MIA if Suh trips over the yard line on the way into the first game and ends up with a career ending injury.

 

[shmessy]

Kirwan understands the difference between investing and playing the lottery.