Patriots Player Departure Keion White traded

[Steve102]

You are that monkey and head of the clown show on this forum, and no you could not have done better. Sit down, shut up, and know your role. You are a freaking joke.

@PatsFan2 she ***** slapped you bahahaha!

 

[Triumph]

I agree that the numbers looked fine if you said “now imagine how this will look when he gets a coach who knows what he’s doing”. But in reality, nothing happened.

Didnt the scheme change?

 

[Brady to Maye]

So here is the thing. Maybe this is a trade to set up another trade or a player that could help the team this year.

 

[Triumph]

Plus, he’s in his contract year and yet . . . he couldn’t get on the field.

Some players dont take to change.

This happens all the time whenever there is a new HC.

 

[n1997y]

Something happened last week. Barmore was benched in first quarter and White and Dugger were healthy scratches. Vrabes just got rid of two guys he felt were negative influences and bad for the locker room.

I don’t think those are connected, just coincidental. I’m not even sure he thought Dugger was a negative influence, I think it was a quality of play issue and a belief that he could get as good or better performance from less expensive young hungry players with upside.

Please share where you are getting that either guy was negative and bad for the locker. I havent read anything that says anything like that. They are gone because the cant perform in this system. I also believe the guys who are not brought on by this staff have less margin for error and could be shown the door quicker than someone who joined this year. Or at least it feels that way to me from what we have seen so far.

White was definitely underperforming his potential, and not developing or improving. If anything he was regressing. In the absence of health issues that’s on him, and we haven’t heard anything about his health having issues. So the issues must be his attitude and commitment and work ethic. I can see, and tend to agree, that anything less than striving to be the best you can be and to perform the best you can for your teammates is not a positive influence.

I can also see how there would be a difference in standards between the guys the current staff brought in and the guys they inherited. They selected the guys they brought in, so they’ve already decided those guys meet their standards. They don’t know the guys that were already here so they need to decide if they’re keepers or not. They’re going to base that on what they’re shown, so those guys are on the bubble where the guys brought in by the new staff aren’t. Makes sense to me.

 

[Patsfan1645]

I don’t think those are connected, just coincidental. I’m not even sure he thought Dugger was a negative influence, I think it was a quality of play issue and a belief that he could get as good or better performance from less expensive young hungry players with upside.

White was definitely underperforming his potential, and not developing or improving. If anything he was regressing. In the absence of health issues that’s on him, and we haven’t heard anything about his health having issues. So the issues must be his attitude and commitment and work ethic. I can see, and tend to agree, that anything less than striving to be the best you can be and to perform the best you can for your teammates is not a positive influence.

I can also see how there would be a difference in standards between the guys the current staff brought in and the guys they inherited. They selected the guys they brought in, so they’ve already decided those guys meet their standards. They don’t know the guys that were already here so they need to decide if they’re keepers or not. They’re going to base that on what they’re shown, so those guys are on the bubble where the guys brought in by the new staff aren’t. Makes sense to me.

I agree with what your saying. But we will never really know why they decided to move on from White other than the obvious lack of performance as evident of play time. I dont want to assume he didnt give it his all and somehow thats a negative on his teammates. He has had no discipline issues I am aware of unlike Barmore for his weed/police issue as well as the most current incident. Surely those actions would also be considered a negative influence as well. I just think he wasnt a good fit for the system and wasnt catching on to what they wanted from him and they decided to do what was best for the team and him with a fresh start. He didnt have to do something wrong to be cut, just wasnt a good fit.

As for the different standards I think we can agree that "your guys" will always have a little more leeway. You brought them on and if they fail its a reflection on you to some degree. Being a supervisor for many years I know this to be true and it was tough to cut the cord when it just needed to be done because you have those regrets and wanted it to work. Do I think Vrabel would keep a guy just because they brought him on, nope I dont. I think he owns it and moves on. Do I think they might get a little more time before the axe falls...yup I sure do.

 

[Bill Lee]

White was definitely underperforming his potential, and not developing or improving. If anything he was regressing. In the absence of health issues that’s on him, and we haven’t heard anything about his health having issues. So the issues must be his attitude and commitment and work ethic. I can see, and tend to agree, that anything less than striving to be the best you can be and to perform the best you can for your teammates is not a positive influence.

I'm not as sure as you seem to be that he was "definitely under-performing his potential" and it's about his "attitude and commitment and work ethic".

Some times the potential is misjudged, or based on a few "magic moments" and simply can't be accessed on a regular basis.

Also some times it's mostly about coaching and/or fit to scheme and/or immaturity.

As someone else mentioned this is his third coaching staff here so if three in a row can't elevate him then it's time for us to move on.

Maybe something will click for him in SF under Saleh and he'll be able to elevate his play there.

Or maybe we'll all see that his "potential" takes him no further than what we've seen here.

 

[patfanken]

Years ago, Bill did a piece and explained his draft philosophy. Part of it was to be making sure you picked a sure starter in the first round, and in the 2nd take a shot and be willing to miss. Gronk and his bad back was an example of a hit, just as Richardson was an example of a miss. Not excusing the horrible drafts of the last several years, but to explain the thought behind some of those 2nd round misses.

White and Duggar has some very good years with the Pats. There were several "experts" who rated he and Owenu as the top FA's at their positions in 24 and most of the hypocrites here praised their signing when it happened. We know we had to pay a premium for FA's that year and if we hadn't signed them the "Kraft is cheap" lie never would have died down.

Duggar's fall is more about scheme fit, but also about his injury. I don't doubt he'll have a resurgence next year and be in the league for a few more years at least. Maybe not this year but going forward.

Same for White. His numbers in 2024 are pretty good. He was very effective inside rusher in 23 during Baremore's breakout year. His play up to this year justified the 2nd round pick. Now I have NO idea why he ended his Pats career as a healthy scratch, but CLEARLY, he no longer had a role on this team. But there is a good chance that he ends up being a good pick up by Niners. Even if this ends up being true, I'm fine with the trade, because clearly him being traded for a bag of ace bandages is more an addition by subtraction than anything else. And since it is extremely doubtful we will ever know the specifics, it doesn't matter. We need to pick up the rush and Mike his staff deemed White wasn't the answer and that's enough for me. It's THEIR team and his decisions, by and large, have been good ones.

Now we OWN the 6th round and if you remember the 6th round has been very good to us.

 

[rkarp1]

Years ago, Bill did a piece and explained his draft philosophy. Part of it was to be making sure you picked a sure starter in the first round, and in the 2nd take a shot and be willing to miss. Gronk and his bad back was an example of a hit, just as Richardson was an example of a miss. Not excusing the horrible drafts of the last several years, but to explain the thought behind some of those 2nd round misses.

White and Duggar has some very good years with the Pats. There were several "experts" who rated he and Owenu as the top FA's at their positions in 24 and most of the hypocrites here praised their signing when it happened. We know we had to pay a premium for FA's that year and if we hadn't signed them the "Kraft is cheap" lie never would have died down.

Duggar's fall is more about scheme fit, but also about his injury. I don't doubt he'll have a resurgence next year and be in the league for a few more years at least. Maybe not this year but going forward.

Same for White. His numbers in 2024 are pretty good. He was very effective inside rusher in 23 during Baremore's breakout year. He play up to this year justified the 2nd round pick. Now I have NO idea why he ended his Pats career as a healthy scratch, but CLEARLY, he no longer had a role on this team. But there is a good chance that he ends up being a good pick up by Niners. Even if this ends up being true, I'm fine with the trade, because clearly him being traded for a bag of ace bandages is more an addition by subtraction than anything else. And since it is extremely doubtful we will ever know the specifics, it doesn't matter. We need to pick up the rush and Mike his staff deemed White wasn't the answer and that's enough for me. It's THEIR team and his decisions have by and large been good ones.

Now we OWN the 6th round and if you remember the 6th round has been very good to us.

when was White "very good"?
in 23 he played 49% of the defensive snaps and totaled 1 sack, 12 solo tackles and 3 TFL.
in 24 he upped that defensive snap number to 74%, and had 5 sacks, but only 1 sack after week 2 that entire year.

 

[turkeyneck]

Too bad. I thought we really had something in White. Turns out the bull rush that was his one tool in the toolbag, that worked so well against lesser physical specimens in college, didn't scale up to NFL level where the opposition was his physical equal. He's never seemed to catch on to the idea of broadening his skillset.

 

[WazzuWheatfarmer]

He had a lot of hype at draft time. I’ll admit, I was excited about him. But the reality is that he just isn’t that good. Not explosive enough to consistently get pressure as a traditional DE. Doesn’t seem to have the desire to set the edge. In a traditional 3-4 like Belichick ran during the dynasty he may have been a great fit. But in today’s defensive schemes he just hasn’t shown the ability to be effective. They didn’t get much for him, but that got something and they freed up a roster spot and a little cap space.

 

[Betterthanmost]

Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Some players dont take to change.

This happens all the time whenever there is a new HC.

White doesn't take to anything.

He'll be out of football in 2 years.

 

[mayoclinic]

White doesn't take to anything.

That's my biggest concern with White. He doesn't seem Coachella. He hasn't developed his game, he's regressed since 2023.

The physical ability is still there. The mental makeup? Not so much.

 

[patchick]

That's my biggest concern with White. He doesn't seem Coachella. He hasn't developed his game, he's regressed since 2023.

I'm totally smitten with this autocorrect. I'm looking for Coachella players from now on.

 

[mayoclinic]

Auto-incorrect strikes again!

 

[Triumph]

That's my biggest concern with White. He doesn't seem Coachella. He hasn't developed his game, he's regressed since 2023.

The physical ability is still there. The mental makeup? Not so much.

How can thar be when 2024 was Whites best season?

16 QB hits and 5 sacks. 31 solo tackles.

 

[Family]

when was White "very good"?

When you looked into his eyes, he felt like he had to be good.

 

[Triumph]

White doesn't take to anything.

He'll be out of football in 2 years.

Maybe SF will have a role that fits Whites game.

Wouldn't be the first time that a change in scenery benefited the player. Pittsburgh cut Vrabel. The Jets cut Danny Woodhead. The Pat's got rid of Plunkett.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I think we all saw this coming. With him being a scratch and wanting to freelance/not contain/not do his job etc in the past, the writing was on the wall…..