Judon Close to an extension?

[UrbanCowboy]

They gotta extend him .... or trade him. This regime ain't playing hardball like Bill did so they'll extend him. It will be interesting to see how their philosophy evolves. We'll see how they play it when they don't have ****loads of cap space (which bill left them).

 

[Pape]

2 years for how much? $12m? all day. $15m? maybe. $20m? no way.
play under your current contract or accept that fact that you will be traded

I'd pay him 15m a year, no question asked... Reward the most vocal Patriot player... He's stumps for this team like no one in recent memory has... Besides, ain't my money, and Kraft has more than enough to go around

 

[borisman]

Probably. Aside from the season ender last year, you look at his sack total and it’s right up there with the best of them at 15.5. If you can keep that type of production for 2 or 3 years you do what you can to keep it.

Besides a trade for Wirfs there’s no other option I see where they get the value for the player. He’s awesone when healthy and a team leader. Super heavy draft next year at DE. If they get the LT situated before seasons end you go ahead and drat one and let him be groomed by one of the best in the league.

I doubt we solve our long term issue at LT by the end of this year but stranger things have happened.
As far as next years' draft, yes, you are correct, It is heavy in the DE/Edge players. So much so we can likely get a good one in the second round.
And if we do end up with a top 3 pick again, there may be teams behind us (Vegas, NYG) who could fall in love with either Beck, Sanders or Ewers and we could slide a couple of picks down and collect some more draft capital, while still hopefully landing one of, if not the top LT coming out.

 

[mgteich]

He's 0-for-105 in recruiting. That has to be a record.

As far as extension, I believe his best years are behind him so two years extension at $16M seems fair. But I doubt he'd accept it. He'd probably want Barmore $ for 2 year extension.

You are 100% right. Judon likely believes that he is worth more than $8M a year. I don't even think that we would make a starting offer that low.

 

[borisman]

You are 100% right. Judon likely believes that he is worth more than $8M a year. I don't even think that we would make a starting offer that low.

It’s $16 million per season bro. No one who read that would think it’s 2 year extension at $8M per.

 

[rkarp1]

It’s $16 million per season bro. No one who read that would think it’s 2 year extension at $8M per.

I did understand it as $16m per and I would not go that high with him.
take his $6.5m due this year and turn it into a sign bonus (spread over 2 years)
give him $12m this year on top of that and $12m next year.
his cap hit both years is $15m

 

[Real fan 02]

2 years for how much? $12m? all day. $15m? maybe. $20m? no way.
play under your current contract or accept that fact that you will be traded

Absolutely agree.. it's funny a poster on here nit picking.. points out how we're lowly ranked in sacks in pressures... so I said this defense was without it's 2 best players gonzo and Man Damm..

This defense will be a menace to offenses this season.. they were built to handle the top QBs and offenses.

 

[Real fan 02]

I heard he convinced Mayo to pick Maye

Wolf was forced to pick maye

 

[Real fan 02]

He had 4 sacks through 3 1/2 games last season before he got injured… if he’s slowing down there was no evidence of it.

He’s the best player on the team… extend him for a year or two.

Absolutely agree although Barmore is likely a close 2nd to best player. Judon has a relentless motor and probably has some of the best hands at his position to get around Linemen.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I did understand it as $16m per and I would not go that high with him.
take his $6.5m due this year and turn it into a sign bonus (spread over 2 years)
give him $12m this year on top of that and $12m next year.
his cap hit both years is $15m

Why risk losing him? Why not just pay him to be disruptive while getting 15+ sacks and being the defacto leader of the defense? Let’s not make this more complicated than what it has to be. He’s 31, has 2 or 3 really good seasons left in him. Why let him go to a team that has the cap space to sign him and watch him wreck havoc?

That one year too early **** is over rated and about stale as the last 3 seasons have been. Willie McGinnist on that 06 team would of probably tipped the scales in the AFC Championship game. Now your talking a year too early. Losing a big piece like Seymour probably wasn’t a good idea either. It’s not our money. In the grand scheme of things, what did letting him go even achieve anyway? Watching Seymour and Wilfork a few more years would of been amazing.

Even if the extension puts him to 34 and he’s not as good as he once was, you can at least be rest assured that his leadership created a culture and maybe helped create a new persona this team definitely needs post Brady/BB. Unless it’s for a franchise LT like Wirfs, you keep this guy around. You are not getting value by settling for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I know what we got with this guy vs a possible draft pick replacement that may may be good or may bust.

 

[Joey007]

He’s 32, sure. But pass rushers can often age like a fine wine. Could see him playing at a high level until 35-36.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Wolf was forced to pick maye

All we know for sure is he wasn't a Nike pick.

 

[TheRainMaker]

That one year too early **** is over rated and about stale as the last 3 seasons have been. Willie McGinnist on that 06 team would of probably tipped the scales in the AFC Championship game. Now your talking a year too early. Losing a big piece like Seymour probably wasn’t a good idea either. It’s not our money. In the grand scheme of things, what did letting him go even achieve anyway? Watching Seymour and Wilfork a few more years would of been amazing.

I get what you mean, but Willie wasn't going to be able to cover any of those TE's that were catching passes in the 2nd half of the 2006 AFCCG. MLB had been a major weakness of theirs since 2005 and Bill ignored it. In fact, they were among the worst at defending the TE in 2006 and it took Manning until the 2nd half to realize that. Rodney injured was a major blow to the secondary as well. This is why Adalius Thomas was targeted in 2007.

Ty Law would've been useful in 2005 or 2006 as well. The Pats were on the verge of a 3 peat, but Bill let Law walk in 2005. Didn't address the MLB position after Bruschi suffered a stroke. Then took Tom's two favorite targets away in 2006.

Seymour on the other hand, was an awful trade. He would've been useful in either playoff loses in 2009 (Ravens) or 2010 against the Jets. Pats had to wait 2 years (2011) until they could use the pick which turned into Solder.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I get what you mean, but Willie wasn't going to be able to cover any of those TE's that were catching passes in the 2nd half of the 2006 AFCCG. MLB had been a major weakness of theirs since 2005 and Bill ignored it. In fact, they were among the worst at defending the TE in 2006 and it took Manning until the 2nd half to realize that. Rodney injured was a major blow to the secondary as well. This is why Adalius Thomas was targeted in 2007.

Ty Law would've been useful in 2005 or 2006 as well. The Pats were on the verge of a 3 peat, but Bill let Law walk in 2005. Didn't address the MLB position after Bruschi suffered a stroke. Then took Tom's two favorite targets away in 2006.

Seymour on the other hand, was an awful trade. He would've been useful in either playoff loses in 2009 (Ravens) or 2010 against the Jets. Pats had to wait 2 years (2011) until they could use the pick which turned into Solder.

Lot of good points there. I steadfastly defend that he would of rallied the troops in that 2nd half. Aside from the 05 turnover disaster game vs Denver which the defense had no control over, Willie was a big game player and one of the unquestioned leaders. He knew the system and the personal. Still shocked they let him go over 12 million. 9.5 sacks in 04, 6 sacks in 05 with a record setting 4.5 vs Jville in the post season. Didn’t look like he was slowing down to me. Could of chugged out another couple imo in our system.

 

[Real fan 02]

I get what you mean, but Willie wasn't going to be able to cover any of those TE's that were catching passes in the 2nd half of the 2006 AFCCG. MLB had been a major weakness of theirs since 2005 and Bill ignored it. In fact, they were among the worst at defending the TE in 2006 and it took Manning until the 2nd half to realize that. Rodney injured was a major blow to the secondary as well. This is why Adalius Thomas was targeted in 2007.

Ty Law would've been useful in 2005 or 2006 as well. The Pats were on the verge of a 3 peat, but Bill let Law walk in 2005. Didn't address the MLB position after Bruschi suffered a stroke. Then took Tom's two favorite targets away in 2006.

Seymour on the other hand, was an awful trade. He would've been useful in either playoff loses in 2009 (Ravens) or 2010 against the Jets. Pats had to wait 2 years (2011) until they could use the pick which turned into Solder.

Absolutely correct. Assante was a zone corner couldn't play man. Hobbs played played hard and eas undersized. I've always said not keeping ty in his still prime years haunted us for years. Chad brown, don Davis, junior all were older players at MLB.. wasn't until we drafted mayo and spikes that we started to shore up the position. Great points!

 

[rkarp1]

Why risk losing him? Why not just pay him to be disruptive while getting 15+ sacks and being the defacto leader of the defense? Let’s not make this more complicated than what it has to be. He’s 31, has 2 or 3 really good seasons left in him. Why let him go to a team that has the cap space to sign him and watch him wreck havoc?

That one year too early **** is over rated and about stale as the last 3 seasons have been. Willie McGinnist on that 06 team would of probably tipped the scales in the AFC Championship game. Now your talking a year too early. Losing a big piece like Seymour probably wasn’t a good idea either. It’s not our money. In the grand scheme of things, what did letting him go even achieve anyway? Watching Seymour and Wilfork a few more years would of been amazing.

Even if the extension puts him to 34 and he’s not as good as he once was, you can at least be rest assured that his leadership created a culture and maybe helped create a new persona this team definitely needs post Brady/BB. Unless it’s for a franchise LT like Wirfs, you keep this guy around. You are not getting value by settling for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I know what we got with this guy vs a possible draft pick replacement that may may be good or may bust.

because with or without Judon, more than likely the team is a 5 ish win team.
if he has value, explore what that value would return in a trade
but by all means, don't over pay him, and don't carry him on the roster past his value

I have no issues with the snap counts for Uche, Jennings and White increasing.
that said, I also have no issues with Judon staying out, but at a deal that makes sense for the team

 

[moosekill]

because with or without Judon, more than likely the team is a 5 ish win team.
if he has value, explore what that value would return in a trade
but by all means, don't over pay him, and don't carry him on the roster past his value

I have no issues with the snap counts for Uche, Jennings and White increasing.
that said, I also have no issues with Judon staying out, but at a deal that makes sense for the team

This isn’t a 5 win team at least 500

 

[Real fan 02]

because with or without Judon, more than likely the team is a 5 ish win team.
if he has value, explore what that value would return in a trade
but by all means, don't over pay him, and don't carry him on the roster past his value

I have no issues with the snap counts for Uche, Jennings and White increasing.
that said, I also have no issues with Judon staying out, but at a deal that makes sense for the team

I believe people are looking at the team in last seasons context. This team has been overhauled offensively. I don't know what a win total will be but I can bet you they look completive and much better offensively this season.

Judon is part of the culture, a veteran leader a guy who brings it each snap. The team needs to get from the bowels of the NFL in spending so I can bet you a deal is finalizing with judon. So far Wolfe has done a masterful job considering a weak FA period.

 

[Real fan 02]

This isn’t a 5 win team at least 500

People keep thinking Zapp is the starting QB. That 4-13 team has been overhauled offensively.

 

[moosekill]

People keep thinking Zapp is the starting QB. That 4-13 team has been overhauled offensively.

And we were still missing our best two defenders, 2 of 3 top wr’s, top running back, and 1/2 our o line. It took all that happening last year to get us to where we ended up.