Jones Should Be Greatly Improved In 2022

[NormZauchin]

Our fanbase is literally oblivious to what makes a good quarterback, who is a good quarterback, and who will be a good quarterback.

Bunch of us wanted to move on to Jimmy G / were happy to move from Tom / thought Tom was finished from like 2012 on / entertained Matt Cassel discussions after 2008 / now think Mac Jones is a franchise quarterback.

Spoiler alert: Josh Allen and Mac Jones will never be in the same category. Buffalo is going to continue to get more solid, more reliable, more dominant, because with their quarterback, you don’t have to pretend. You can literally just watch it happen, on television, right in front of you, in real time.

You're so good at predicting the future you must be worth tens of millions from stock market investments and sports betting.

 

[Marko]

They currently don’t have an OC.

We will get the same results with Mac unless he is surrounded with better talent at WR. Myers, Bourne and Aghlor will not cut it. Teams will gladly wait around for their dink and dunk knowing they will just stall come the red zone. Didn’t the Pats have the worst red zone offense?

7th in the league. 63.08%

 

[patfanken]

Our fanbase is literally oblivious to what makes a good quarterback, who is a good quarterback, and who will be a good quarterback.

Bunch of us wanted to move on to Jimmy G / were happy to move from Tom / thought Tom was finished from like 2012 on / entertained Matt Cassel discussions after 2008 / now think Mac Jones is a franchise quarterback.

Spoiler alert: Josh Allen and Mac Jones will never be in the same category. Buffalo is going to continue to get more solid, more reliable, more dominant, because with their quarterback, you don’t have to pretend. You can literally just watch it happen, on television, right in front of you, in real time.

Do you REALLY know so little about football to assume that if you have an elite QB you will win. Football is the ultimate team game, and while QB IS the most important individual position on offense, his success is dependent on 10 other players, not to mention the other 43 who play special teams and defense and provide depth. This isn't basketball where there are only 10 players on the court and skill often out does strategy.

You pump up Allen like you are a Bills fan. Great talent, but he just got one game farther than we did, when all is said and done. He's a great talent, but it takes a LOT more than having a great QB to win Championships. Just ask Aaron Rodgers, he of the one ring and one superbowl appearance.

There was a time when I felt the fans on this board were among the smartest in the league. With posts like this, I'm beginning to question that position

 

[RIpats88]

Do you REALLY know so little about football to assume that if you have an elite QB you will win. Football is the ultimate team game, and while QB IS the most important individual position on offense, his success is dependent on 10 other players, not to mention the other 43 who play special teams and defense and provide depth. This isn't basketball where there are only 10 players on the court and skill often out does strategy.

You pump up Allen like you are a Bills fan. Great talent, but he just got one game farther than we did, when all is said and done. He's a great talent, but it takes a LOT more than having a great QB to win Championships. Just ask Aaron Rodgers, he of the one ring and one superbowl appearance.

There was a time when I felt the fans on this board were among the smartest in the league. With posts like this, I'm beginning to question that position

For some reason some fans on this board are rooting for Mac Jones and the pats to fail

 

[raduray]

Plus Allen is a racist, so there’s that

What! Did I miss something?

 

[raduray]

Mac's rookie year was better than Allen's. His performance next year will be telling. But I'm anxiously waiting to see who his new coaches will be. And what players will be brought in via draft and free agency.

 

[PATS16N0]

And People (In general. Not calling out Pats fans) in 2001 likely said: "Tom Brady and Peyton Manning will never be in the same category". Meaning Brady would never be as good as Peyton Manning.

No I'm not saying for sure Jones will be better than Allen. Nor am I hinting either QB will be as good as prime Manning and Brady. I'm just saying it's possible Mac Jones is as good as Allen someday.

You never know.

The people claiming Brady would never be in the same hemisphere as Peyton were always obviously wrong lol

 

[mike_usagisan]

For some reason some fans on this board are rooting for Mac Jones and the pats to fail

I think we all know the reason.

 

[aluminum seats]

What! Did I miss something?

He got some flack for some tweets when he was drafted. I was just kidding

 

[Ochmed Jones]

No doubt in my mind that jones will be better in 2022 than 2021.

He was literally starting from zero last year, this year, he has all the procedural stuff down pat, and knows the speed of the game.

This coming year, it is all about getting the timing snd anticipation down, plus if we can get a legit receiver, his numbers will explode.

 

[PATS16N0]

Do you REALLY know so little about football to assume that if you have an elite QB you will win. Football is the ultimate team game, and while QB IS the most important individual position on offense, his success is dependent on 10 other players, not to mention the other 43 who play special teams and defense and provide depth. This isn't basketball where there are only 10 players on the court and skill often out does strategy.

You pump up Allen like you are a Bills fan. Great talent, but he just got one game farther than we did, when all is said and done. He's a great talent, but it takes a LOT more than having a great QB to win Championships. Just ask Aaron Rodgers, he of the one ring and one superbowl appearance.

There was a time when I felt the fans on this board were among the smartest in the league. With posts like this, I'm beginning to question that position

Oh yeah? That post can’t compete with the genius behind all the Professors here trying to shelf the greatest quarterback of all time back in the first four weeks of the 2014 season, huh?

“Winning with Matt Cassel,” etc?

“Brady not being bigger than the team” as some bull**** to justify getting rid of him for Jimmy G?

We must have been reading different forums.

Josh Allen and Buffalo are far and away the class of the AFC East right now. The defense carried the Patriot season and the defense is ****ing old. There’s promising quarterbacks all over the AFC making noise and the most delusional people imaginable are talking themselves into Mac Jones being the guy lol

 

[PATS16N0]

P.S. Rodgers doesn’t have more rings because he’s super overrated.

 

[PATS16N0]

More over, the Patriot post season appearance this year was a million times more lackluster than Tebow’s run, and Tebow got his ****ing face kicked in like 45-3.

Same energy.

Imagine thinking that’s just “one game worse than Buffalo.”

 

[Marko]

Do you REALLY know so little about football to assume that if you have an elite QB you will win. Football is the ultimate team game, and while QB IS the most important individual position on offense, his success is dependent on 10 other players, not to mention the other 43 who play special teams and defense and provide depth. This isn't basketball where there are only 10 players on the court and skill often out does strategy.

You pump up Allen like you are a Bills fan. Great talent, but he just got one game farther than we did, when all is said and done. He's a great talent, but it takes a LOT more than having a great QB to win Championships. Just ask Aaron Rodgers, he of the one ring and one superbowl appearance.

There was a time when I felt the fans on this board were among the smartest in the league. With posts like this, I'm beginning to question that position

Geez look at all the games won and lost on special teams.

 

[upstater1]

I mean, most QBs perform worse under pressure. Look at the GOAT when he faced the Rams front during 1st half. Mahomes runs around like Richard Pryor with his hair on fire. Herbert's numbers drop when pressured. At least Allen can gain yards with his legs.

But I'm talking about scoring 6 points against Jacksonville this year. I've seen him perform miserably. It really was dud games from him. Everyone has dud games. He had quite a few

 

[upstater1]

Allen is a great QB, but how do you know the Bills are going to get better? They could have peaked already. They just lost their OC and they might lose some key pieces this offseason. They have a lot of very good young players hitting the end of their rookie contracts in the next few years and the same with some key veterans. They lose some and they will have to pay through the nose for others. That is why most teams only have a 3-5 year window where they are dominant no matter the QB. Seattle still has Russell Wilson, but they haven't been contenders for several years.

It is possible that the Bills could be a dominant team for the next ten years, but that will be because they do what the Pats, Steelers, and Ravens do by staying dominant despite massive personnel turnover. Only the Pats did it consistently over a long stretch and they were the only team that had a QB who could cover for significant personnel deficiencies on either side of the ball. No one else has done that who has played QB in the last five to ten years (Manning could do that in his Colts days). I am not sure Josh Allen could do that. The other teams stay on top with spectacular drafting and finding good inexpensive free agents.

I see the Bills getting better without Daboll, simply because they'll have a OC more committed to running the ball. I'm presuming.

What stood out to me in the KC game is how little practice the Bills had in their running game. Singletary wouldn't know a cutback lane from a bowling lane.

 

[mgteich]

No doubt in my mind that jones will be better in 2022 than 2021.

He was literally starting from zero last year, this year, he has all the procedural stuff down pat, and knows the speed of the game.

This coming year, it is all about getting the timing snd anticipation down, plus if we can get a legit receiver, his numbers will explode.

Yes, we can pay big bucks for a legit receiver instead of spending the money on the lines and secondary.

Few such acquisitions were great helps for Brady, except for 2007. So, a top receiver will come and try to learn the system along with a 2nd year QB and a non-existent OC.

I DO AGREE that Jones will be better. I just don't expect great leaps. I see the need to replace/re-sign 2-3 OL's and a RB, all before we worry about WR.

Obviously, resources are also needed to re-sign/upgrade 2 DB's, a LB and a DL or two.

 

[*ChungFu*]

Im not paid to find him.

Thought you might have someone in mind. And I wanted your opinion at no charge. ?

 

[VectorPrime]

Jones might be better. He also might be worse. Maybe even the same. He’ll DEFINITELY be one of those three things I can promise you that.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Much improved? This is what all the media people are saying but I am not buying it. The problem is that he was darn near perfect in the first year; there just is not that much more room for improvement. In what way could he improve? I suppose he could cut down on the INTs and trying to force throws, ...OK I will grant you that, but in general his play was outstanding.

The team may be "greatly" improved, but I just don't see how much improvement Jones needs [note: Please don't read this post Mac]. If Jones had quality WRs and a line that was better at protection,he would have shredded opposing defenses. [note: Please don't read this post Mac....do the players read this forum? I hope not; it would aggravate them no end...or amuse them.]