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John Henry: Fan expectations are unrealistic

Who would have thunk it.

There was a time where they were more popular than the Patriots. Even after NE won the first two titles.
The Patriots closed the gap pretty quickly. The Red Sox lost in the worst way in 2003, and if memory serves me correct, the next Pats game was the Miami game where Brady hit Troy Brown in OT for the win. That really did it for me. I remember yelling at the TV and feeling bitter about the Sox. It was after the Nomar trade before I tuned in regularly again, by then, at least for me, the Pats were #1.

I remember one particular morning I turned on Hazel Mae on NESN and the Sox were bouncing up and down on home plate after a come from behind win and thought "oh ****, I gotta watch 'em". It was late in the year by then.
 
Current odds are 130:1 to win World Series. He has no passion for this team. He's not Wyc. I mothballed my Sox gear until the team is sold, which isn't happening. I'm glad a lot of the real fans stopped going to the games. I knew Henry gave up on the Sox back in 2020. It's when I gave up myself.
I gave up 20 years before that and I don't miss it. I do however have friends who are diehards and I root for the Socks to have a winning team for them. John Henry is revealing his true nature and it doesn't surprise me.
 
Who would have thunk it.

There was a time where they were more popular than the Patriots. Even after NE won the first two titles.
Curing 86 years of misery with a bunch of characters for players will do that to a fanbase in Boston. Also brought out millions of pink hatters nationwide. Remember the term Red Sox Nation? It's dead.

I can see why he fired Dombrowski. Dave wanted to win now and compete every year. Henry wanted his asset to make money. People need to stop putting assinseats because we are the asset.
 
I spent decades despising Jacobs for being the miserly **** he is. That said, at least he was honest about it and never pretended his ownership was about anything more than the bottom line. Since the NHL established its cap with Jacobs leading the way on the effort to save the owners from themselves and provide cost certainty, the Bruins have spent to it every year. Neely and Sweeney have been provided every resource to field a competitive team.

Contrast that with Henry. Under his ownership we hear a lot about 'stewardship' and 'preserving the jewel' and 'sustainability' but what we see is a team that finished in last place 4 of the past 5 years and beloved stars sent packing for contracts whose cost this team can easily absorb. Meanwhile the Sox have the highest fan cost index in MLB year after year. Cora is one of the half dozen best managers in the game, not only is he managing on a lame duck contract but it's clear he's being set up to take the fall for yet another unwatchable crapfest of a season

Whatever else his sins no one can say Kraft doesn't want to win. He and Wyc Grusbeck are very invested personally in their teams and the New England community. They're widely viewed as being among the best owners in their respective sports. Since he achieved his 'cost certainty' Jacobs has been as good as his word, his team lacks for nothing an owner can possibly provide. Henry on the other hand doesn't give a rat's ass. He's gonna pull on the teat of the Sox cash cow until ol' Bessie is so dessicated she produces nothing but powder. Then he'll back up the money truck to contend and start the whole process again. It's a just a big time hustle, rinse (the fans) and repeat. Here in Boston we've learned there are worse things than an indifferent owner, there's the dissembling cynical Henry type.
Until Red Sox Fans vote with their wallets in sufficient numbers (not buying tickets to games or any team merchandise), Henry has no incentive to make every honest effort to build a World Series Winning Team (and maintain it as such).
 
Truthfully, can't blame Henry all that much.
Think about all the hundreds and hundreds of millions wasted by the front office for free agent disappointments and in-house extensions.

My favorites:

Fat Panda got 5yr/$95 mill
Carl Crawford 7yr/$142 mill
Rusney Castillo 7yr/$72.5 mill
Dice K 6yr/$52 mill + $51.1 mill posting fee
Chris Sale 5yr/$145 mill
David Price 7yr/$217 mill
etc
etc
etc

Sure, the Sox were able to ditch a portion of a few of these terrible contracts..........but with negligible returns.
And it goes without saying the Sox have been mostly terrible shoppers the past decade and a half.
But still.....just these 6 players listed account for three quarters of a billion dollars of mostly waste.
Many will argue this is the cost of doing business in MLB for teams with ambition.
Was it some time last season (or the year before) when the team was paying out $100+ mill to players not playing (hurt or traded away while eating a portion of their contracts).

The team recently ponied up $330 mill/11 yrs for Devers, a subpar fielder with a body type that doesn't inspire hopes of "longevity".
Time will tell on this most recent foray into stratospheric spending.
They signed....
Masataka Yoshida 5yr/$90 mill + $15.4 milll posting fee
Ownership is no doubt regretting this one already

From my lofty perch, it appears Henry and company have become pragmatists and for good reason.
Buying a 9 figure "star" or two now likely would have a negligible impact in the standings or at the gate.
History has shown these high priced, long duration contracts almost always become albatrosses to franchises....

So why not pivot

Ownership is tired of burning heaps of money with little or no return
 
John Henry sees the Red Sox as just a cash cow for his other enterprises. He can't even invest in fixing NESN's ongoing signal issues.
 
Ever since Henry got quoted, this team is playing its ass off.
 
And yet Cora still hasn't been extended...
I don’t know what will happen in the next 3 weeks or so, but as of today, the Sox are in. They are remaking themselves into a team that presents all kinds of problems with their aggressiveness. These AAAA guys are playing harder than any Sox team maybe since ‘13. These kids deserve a shot, they are earning it. If in 3 weeks they are right there and ownership sits on its ass, it will be a flipping crime.
 
Henry is not going to pay Cora.
He's one of the best if not THE best Mgrs in MLB.
But Henry doesnt give a f.
Especially since Cora is not a yes man and speaks the truth. When asked recently about decisions made by ownership Cora said he hasn't agreed with all their decisions.
 
Kinda my point. If keeping this lineup scrapping and competitive isn't enough to get a manager extended that tells us all we need to know.
I think we already knew.
This team would not be performing as well w/o Cora.
He's the perfect blend of old school baseball guy while also utilizing analytics in the right way.
He's built a super athletic exciting team.
A lot of Mgrs wouldn't have stuck with Duran after his early struggles.
Cora believed in him and Duran is tve best player on the team ( position players). No it's not Devers anymore.
Same with Houck, who's become a legit Cy Young candidate. And Whitlock who looked even better than Houck before he got hurt. And Abreu. And Wong. And Hamilton,etc etc.
 
Who's coming out to Denver in a few few weeks? Three game series versus your hometown Colorado Rockies!!
 
He's not totally wrong ... would be nice if they followed the Celtics and to a lesser extent Bruins model.
That said look no further than our Patriot's forum ... the zombie apocalypse that appears from time to time.
Fans absolutely have unrealistic expectations across sports in general.
We are one of 32 ... it's not a zero sum game ... front office competition more fierce than game day.
 
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Curing 86 years of misery with a bunch of characters for players will do that to a fanbase in Boston. Also brought out millions of pink hatters nationwide. Remember the term Red Sox Nation? It's dead.

I can see why he fired Dombrowski. Dave wanted to win now and compete every year. Henry wanted his asset to make money. People need to stop putting assinseats because we are the asset.

Agree about Dombrowski. His problem unfortunately was that he too often paid too much for those players. There was never any doubting his intentions, however: to do everything he could to help the team win the Next Game.
 
Truthfully, can't blame Henry all that much.
Think about all the hundreds and hundreds of millions wasted by the front office for free agent disappointments and in-house extensions.

My favorites:

Fat Panda got 5yr/$95 mill
Carl Crawford 7yr/$142 mill
Rusney Castillo 7yr/$72.5 mill
Dice K 6yr/$52 mill + $51.1 mill posting fee
Chris Sale 5yr/$145 mill
David Price 7yr/$217 mill
etc
etc
etc

Sure, the Sox were able to ditch a portion of a few of these terrible contracts..........but with negligible returns.
And it goes without saying the Sox have been mostly terrible shoppers the past decade and a half.
But still.....just these 6 players listed account for three quarters of a billion dollars of mostly waste.
Many will argue this is the cost of doing business in MLB for teams with ambition.
Was it some time last season (or the year before) when the team was paying out $100+ mill to players not playing (hurt or traded away while eating a portion of their contracts).

The team recently ponied up $330 mill/11 yrs for Devers, a subpar fielder with a body type that doesn't inspire hopes of "longevity".
Time will tell on this most recent foray into stratospheric spending.
They signed....
Masataka Yoshida 5yr/$90 mill + $15.4 milll posting fee
Ownership is no doubt regretting this one already

From my lofty perch, it appears Henry and company have become pragmatists and for good reason.
Buying a 9 figure "star" or two now likely would have a negligible impact in the standings or at the gate.
History has shown these high priced, long duration contracts almost always become albatrosses to franchises....

So why not pivot

Ownership is tired of burning heaps of money with little or no return

The mistakes you listed are reasons why General Managers should be Fired; they should NOT be used as excuses for ownership to stop trying to field a competitive team (e.g.: that Japanese "Designated Hitter" is a ****ING DISGRACE). How about this ownership start retaining our own players (Devers notwithstanding) for a change? That would be nice...
 
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