Joe Montana: Niners should've taken Mac Jones

[RobertWeathers]

You do not have to hate BB to say that he did not take Brady thinking he would be the goat. Do you know how I know about **** Rehbein being the cheerleader to have Brady come here? Bill wrote it in his book. You guys should read it.

I don't believe I ever said BB was a genius for drafting Brady.

What he did do is pick him therefore deserves credit for listening to his scouts and making the pick. Additionally he deserves credit for recognizing his potential, developing him and putting him in a position to succeed.

Do you not agree with that?

 

[Pats1971]

Getting crippled, fewer broken bones, fewer headshots will help QB's play longer... unless you're a dullard who thinks saying the rules will help diminishes Tom's greatness somehow... again... fanboys don't make a lot of sense.

Once again, QB's are not playing longer, so unless you have something to show me, you are wrong. Brady is the outlier, its ok, just admit to it and stop trying to make excuses.

 

[Wozzy]

An that is what am was saying, QB's are not going to play longer becuase a lot of them are the run QB's who tend to take more hits. All of this is basically an excuse for why Brady plays at a high level at 44 and no other QB's did not ones that played today or 20 years ago or ever.

They literally changed the rules so a QB can slide instead of getting destroyed... but you weren't born yet I guess.

 

[Pats1971]

Because we have to see into the future... which you apparently think is possible. Good grief...

Brady has existed for the last 20 years, you have your data, show me. This was about Brady only played this long because of rules so that would mean others would do the same that came in when Brady did, show me. You showed 1 out of 5000 QB's. I can show you several from the 60's 70's 80's 90's, you showed 1.

 

[Wozzy]

Once again, QB's are not playing longer, so unless you have something to show me, you are wrong. Brady is the outlier, its ok, just admit to it and stop trying to make excuses.

Brady is patient zero... and even he played so long he played under the old rules and new rules. But you want us to think you can see into the future... forgive me for being skeptical.

 

[Wozzy]

Brady has existed for the last 20 years, you have your data, show me. This was about Brady only played this long because of rules so that would mean others would do the same that came in when Brady did, show me. You showed 1 out of 5000 QB's. I can show you several from the 60's 70's 80's 90's, you showed 1.

So you don't under time or averages... good to know.

 

[Pats1971]

They literally changed the rules so a QB can slide instead of getting destroyed... but you weren't born yet I guess.

and once again....where is the data to say QB's play longer. Show it. I am still waiting. What you do not get is that yeah rules have changed, the other thing that changed is players are bigger stronger and faster now. So when you get hit, and they do, its much worse than it was in the 60's. Having a rule does not mean there is a protective shield around the QB. Stop signs do not stop wrecks from happening. Players get hurt, they got hurt then they get hurt now they will get hurt 10 years from now.

 

[Wozzy]

and once again....where is the data to say QB's play longer. Show it. I am still waiting. What you do not get is that yeah rules have changed, the other thing that changed is players are bigger stronger and faster now. So when you get hit, and they do, its much worse than it was in the 60's. Having a rule does not mean there is a protective shield around the QB. Stop signs do not stop wrecks from happening. Players get hurt, they got hurt then they get hurt now they will get hurt 10 years from now.

The data doesn't exist yet, the future is now. Go back to sleep.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

**** Rehbein knew Brady before Bill knew what a Brady was. He was trying to recruit him to USC when he was there. Brady was taken in the 6th round dude. stop acting like it was some genius move.

How many coaches keep a 4th QB around. You have got to be the dumbest poster. You sound like Ron Borges.

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[Pats1971]

Brady is patient zero... and even he played so long he played under the old rules and new rules. But you want us to think you can see into the future... forgive me for being skeptical.

No i asked you do talk about the subject at hand, not the future, the discussion was. Brady played this long and this well becuase of the rule changes. That was the discussion.

 

[Pats1971]

So you don't under time or averages... good to know.

huh? Translate that and try again.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Thank you, yes...finally. Yes we got lucky that Mac was not taken before 15. It was not some amazing move that nobody saw coming. 5 mil pats fans all wanted Mac and when he dropped to 15, it was the biggest no brainer of a pick in the history of this team.

it was not a no brainer pick at all..it’s not as if Mac was destined to be a future star.

 

[Pats1971]

How many coaches keep a 4th QB around. You have got to be the dumbest poster. You sound like Ron Borges.

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A lot. So you think he was just kept becuase Bill had a hunch? Dude come on,l you cant be this stupid. Bill has drafted a liteal ton of QB's past the 4th round, why were none of those kept? You think maybe it was becuase.....Brady was.....good? Did Bill know how great he was when he waited till the 6th freaking round to take him?

 

[Wozzy]

huh? Translate that and try again.

I can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink.

 

[Pats1971]

it was not a no brainer pick at all..it’s not as if Mac was destined to be a future star.

No he was projected as the best QB at the spot he was drafted left on the board. Can you stop acting like it was some shock that Mac went to the pats? People were talking about Mac to the pats for the past 6 months.

 

[Pats1971]

I can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink.

You also cannot make a sentence that makes sense. Dude you were wrong. I'm sorry. You guys cant just say things and hope I do not know better. I have looked all this **** up. Its not even hard to look up, if you stand by what you say, then show your evidence instead of personal name calling. Show me how rule changes have made QB's play longer. Its easy if its true. Show it. Montana made an excuse to why Brady did what he did, but cannot for some reason use that excuse for anyone else. Why? Why does it just affect him and nobody else. How many QB's were drafted around the time Brady was and still did that? I showed several times past QB's that played into their 40's. This isnt hard. Im sorry Montana had a back issue, dem the breaks. Not everyone else did. He played to 37, which is what most QB's that are good play to. There are outliers in every era. Brady is a bigger outlier than anyone else. Its not hard folks, the data is there.

 

[Pats1971]

Also this Bill hate BS talk. I have never said Bill did anything wrong ever on this team. I have never *****ed about a call or even a draft pick. Saying that he did not know Brady was going to be a goat player when he drafted him in the 6th round is not a put down. Saying that Bill took a player at 15 that everyone under the sun said he should take is not a put down. Bill has done amazing things over the last 20 years, taken a perfect fit Qb that everyone coudl see was a great fit when he was on the board at the time of our pick is not one of them. The only way it fails is if Jones fails. Sometimes it does not matter what the coach does the player still has to execute. The only thing Bill could have screwed up there was not taking him and bringing Cam back another year, but I am sure that would have been ok to some of you. He took the player that every pats fan wanted, congrats it was one of those rare times we actually knew why a player was drafted where they were to the pats and did not have to run to espn to find out who the hell Tavon Wilson taken in the second round was.

 

[Pats1971]

I don't believe I ever said BB was a genius for drafting Brady.

What he did do is pick him therefore deserves credit for listening to his scouts and making the pick. Additionally he deserves credit for recognizing his potential, developing him and putting him in a position to succeed.

Do you not agree with that?

I dont believe I ever said you did. I said its not hating Bill to say that he didnt know Brady would turn out the way he did and it was some genius move to take him in the 6th. Lots of things Bill should get credit for over the years of greatness, that was not one of them, that was luck. If he cannot see that a QB is looking better in practice than the starting Qb and how players respond to him, he should not be a coach in the NFL. People act like the players have nothing to do with why they move up in the ranks and become what they become. So yeah, great job bill you didnt cut a QB that was winning when you put him in when the other one wasnt. yeah other coaches have done stupid things, but that does not make it genius, it makes it what you should do as a good coach. Again of all the great things he has done with defenisve gameplans, things like that, Brady was luck. He would tell you the same, becuase he was. It was lucky that it turned out the way it did becuase its not normal. Bill has takena ton of QB's that didnt turn into anything even with magic bill touch. Sometimes you just get a good player, sometimes its unexpected.

 

[Wozzy]

You also cannot make a sentence that makes sense. Dude you were wrong. I'm sorry. You guys cant just say things and hope I do not know better. I have looked all this **** up. Its not even hard to look up, if you stand by what you say, then show your evidence instead of personal name calling. Show me how rule changes have made QB's play longer. Its easy if its true. Show it. Montana made an excuse to why Brady did what he did, but cannot for some reason use that excuse for anyone else. Why? Why does it just affect him and nobody else. How many QB's were drafted around the time Brady was and still did that? I showed several times past QB's that played into their 40's. This isnt hard. Im sorry Montana had a back issue, dem the breaks. Not everyone else did. He played to 37, which is what most QB's that are good play to. There are outliers in every era. Brady is a bigger outlier than anyone else. Its not hard folks, the data is there.

Joe Montana and others, including Brady in the earliest part of his career, played under a crueler, tougher, more career threatening brand of football than Tom and every other QB has played under in the last ten years or so as the league became more aware of head trauma and bodily injury.

If you can't understand this ^ or think it's a conspiracy to make Tom look bad or think it's wrong then you can't have a reasonably intelligent conversation about football because your Brady fandom makes you the equivalent of a shrieking teenage girl gushing over her favorite fan crush... and it's a complete waste of time talking to you.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Jones strengths are similar to Brady, Montana, and Manning, so it’s not surprising he prefers a QB that fits that mold. He was asked to be on a college football show and answered a question, I’m not sure why that is considered clamoring for relevance?