Jets owner wants change of time for September Jewish Holiday games

[PATRIOT64]

Don't think they will change the time of the Jets NE game on Sept 20th but the owner is upset ... and in reality,its bonafide understandable

Jets owner upset games fall during Jewish holidays -- Newsday.com

 

[mosslost]

Don't think they will change the time of the Jets NE game on Sept 20th but the owner is upset ... and in reality,its bonafide understandable

Jets owner upset games fall during Jewish holidays -- Newsday.com

He is just scared that his new defense is going to get moiwdered.

 

[PATRIOT64]

I am not sure of how orthodox Mr. Kraft is but he can't be thrilled of the NE/Jets game time on Rosh Hashanah either.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I understand that it's not at all the same in terms of magnitude, but playing virtually all of your games on the "day of rest" would seem to indicate that the NFL doesn't care too much about stuff like this.

 

[spacecrime]

I understand that it's not at all the same in terms of magnitude, but playing virtually all of your games on the "sabbath" would seem to indicate that the NFL doesn't care too much about stuff like this.

That was my thought. Games are played every Sunday, aren't they?

A couple years ago when Christmas fell on a Monday, they not only played MNF but added a second game to make it a Christmas double header.

Just a bunch of "oh poor me, the world is out to get us" whining

Just play football

 

[PATRIOT64]

I understand that it's not at all the same in terms of magnitude, but playing virtually all of your games on the "sabbath" would seem to indicate that the NFL doesn't care too much about stuff like this.

Incorrect .... The 'sabbath' in the Jewish religion is from sundown Friday to sundown saturday night - Sunday games are not involved unless you are going by the Catholic/Christian faith and in christianity, I am not sure of how strict the religion guidelines are pertaining to this

I know this,I am one of those Jews who did this all my childhood

 

[jmt57]

Seems like something that should have been dealt with internally within the NFL rather than deflecting blame publicly. The problem now is that if the NFL changes the schedule they will have set a precedent, and 31 other fan bases will expect the same treatment. This should have been resolved behind closed doors, rationalized by 'travel arrangements' and 'prior commitments'.

Perhaps this is a downside of the NFL attempting to make the release of the NFL schedule a huge media and fan event, on par with the NFL draft? I'm guessing that if this happened in years past the Jets would have complained and the schedule would have been re-worked before being made public.

Some of the problem is that the NFL wants to turn announcements like this in to big events, but the 32 teams have proven that they are unable to keep the information under non-disclosure. If all 32 teams - including the Jets - could prove to the NFL that they were trustworthy with information, then the NFL could share and discuss information with those teams.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Incorrect .... The 'sabbath' in the Jewish religion is from sundown Friday to sundown saturday night - Sunday games are not involved unless you are going by the Catholic/Christian faith and in christianity, I am not sure of how strict the religion guidelines are pertaining to this

I know this,I am one of those Jews who did this all my childhood

Ahh, okay, I'm not religious so I don't really know any of this stuff. Thanks for the correction. I do know that Sunday is considered the day of rest in Christianity though, which the NFL doesn't seem to care too much about.

 

[jmt57]

Of course if I wanted to be cynical, where do New Yorkers get off on assuming they should be the only ones that have the NFL schedule modified to fit their schedule? Or that New York is the only NFL city that has fans of the jewish faith? (PJ, this is a cue for you!)

Of course there are more jews in New York City than in any other american city; did the author of the article ever consider that the fact that New York City is the most populated city in the USA may have something to do with that? I am also willing to bet there are more catholics, more italians, more puerto ricans, etc. in NYC; that comment and reasoning is useless.

 

[Deus Irae]

Of course if I wanted to be cynical, where do New Yorkers get off on assuming they should be the only ones that have the NFL schedule modified to fit their schedule? Or that New York is the only NFL city that has fans of the jewish faith? (PJ, this is a cue for you!)

Of course there are more jews in New York City than in any other american city; did the author of the article ever consider that the fact that New York City is the most populated city in the USA may have something to do with that? I am also willing to bet there are more catholics, more italians, more puerto ricans, etc. in NYC; that comment and reasoning is useless.

The New York metropolitan area is home to the largest number of Jews outside Israel. There are more Jews within New York City limits than within Jerusalem city limits, making the New York City Jewish community the largest such community in the world. About 12% of New Yorkers claim to be Jewish or of Jewish descent

This is from Wikipedia because I'm not in the mood to hunt down the census numbers.

 

[fnordcircle]

Ahh, okay, I'm not religious so I don't really know any of this stuff. Thanks for the correction. I do know that Sunday is considered the day of rest in Christianity though, which the NFL doesn't seem to care too much about.

That's really only a Seven Day Adventists and an old hard-line Catholic thing, not a very substantial portion of the NFL's fan base, really.

 

[PATRIOT64]

If I were to pick a city that has a team in the NFL that is far far second to NYC in terms of Jewish population it would probably be Miami as my guess,but it would not even be remotely close to NYCs numbers

 

[BradyFixesEverything]

Of course if I wanted to be cynical, where do New Yorkers get off on assuming they should be the only ones that have the NFL schedule modified to fit their schedule? Or that New York is the only NFL city that has fans of the jewish faith? (PJ, this is a cue for you!)

Of course there are more jews in New York City than in any other american city; did the author of the article ever consider that the fact that New York City is the most populated city in the USA may have something to do with that? I am also willing to bet there are more catholics, more italians, more puerto ricans, etc. in NYC; that comment and reasoning is useless.

My thoughts exactly. The New York Jews are obviously more important then Jews living anywhere else in the country. Anyways, according to Wikipedia NYC is 51.73% Catholic, so the majority population is already being represented. And if you don't want to represent the majority, then don't represent anyone. Religion and Sports and Politics shouldn't mix.

 

[BradyFTW!]

That's really only a Seven Day Adventists and an old hard-line Catholic thing, not a very substantial portion of the NFL's fan base, really.

Agreed that it's a small minority relative to the overall population, but aren't Jews who observe the high holy days, as well? And doesn't making it a numbers game kinda ultimately miss the point anyways?

Nobody's making these fans go to the games. I'm sure that someone else will buy their tickets if they choose not to go. To expect the NFL to schedule around your religious beliefs, though, just seems kinda random, especially when it plays games every Sunday for large portions of the year. Either go or don't go, but Johnson shouldn't demand that the entire league reshuffle its scheduling to accommodate his beliefs.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

That was my thought. Games are played every Sunday, aren't they?

A couple years ago when Christmas fell on a Monday, they not only played MNF but added a second game to make it a Christmas double header.

Just a bunch of "oh poor me, the world is out to get us" whining

Just play football

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

 

[Patjew]

I know I'm probably expected to comment on this... but I really don't care. As long as Tom Brady doesn't convert and take the game off to go to shul a la Sandy Koufax, I couldn't give a rats ass. I'll be watching the game either way.

BTW, Kraft is pretty observant. I'd be shocked if he's at a game played on one of the high holy days.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

I know I'm probably expected to comment on this... but I really don't care. As long as Tom Brady doesn't convert and take the game off to go to shul a la Sandy Koufax, I couldn't give a rats ass. I'll be watching the game either way.

BTW, Kraft is pretty observant. I'd be shocked if he's at a game played on one of the high holy days.

If PJ says its ok to play this game, then the Jets owner should sthu.

 

[ausbacker]

If PJ says its ok to play this game, then the Jets owner should sthu.

When PJ says most things that's OK with me

 

[sarge]

That's really only a Seven Day Adventists and an old hard-line Catholic thing, not a very substantial portion of the NFL's fan base, really.

7th day adventists goes from Friday night till Saturday at sunset.

Sunday is OK.

But Again, since Sunday is suppose to be a day of rest for many Christian religons, I think it would be a bit hypicritical for the NFL to make consessions for Judiasm. Expecially considering they played on Christmas.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

This is really not about religion but meeting the reasonable expectations of the Jewish Jets season ticket holders.

This year's Jets schedule of 8 home games; TWO conflict with Jewish holidays. Or 1/4 of the games. The precident that has been set in past is that for both the Jets and Giants only one home game would conflict with the Jewish holidays, when the holidays fell on the weekend.

It has more to do with expectations than religion. If you are Christian and observe Sunday as a day of rest -- don't buy NFL season tickets and expect to be able to attend the games. If you are Jewish and observe Saturday as a day of rest -- don't buy college football season tickets and expect to see the game. If you buy season tickets for the Lions, expect that one of you tickets will be for a game on Thanksgiving. But if you are Jewish and buy NFL season tickets you should be able to expect that at most only one game will conflict with the high holidays.

The Christmas anology fails because it was ONE holiday. I would say that if the same team that had a Thanksgiving home game ALSO had a Christmas home game then the NFL is being unfair to that home team's fans. The Jewish fans are not complaining that A holiday conficts, but that TWO holidays conflict.

As for the New York/Miami anology. It fails. A very significant portion of the Jets and Giants STH are Jewish. While Miami has a significant Jewish population, the Dolphins do not have nearly as significant percent of Jewish season ticket holders. (Many of the Jews who live in Florida are retires who still root for the team they rooted for before they retired and moved to Florida.)

It is a reasonable expectation that the fans who just spent a ton of money on PSLs should be able to see at least 7 out of the 8 home games.