Jermail Porter's position?

[TheBaronPatriot]

To all those saying that just bc he didn't play HS football he is not qualified for the PS as a sleeper I say you prob didn't play football, or if you played were not very good.

Football is a game of athleticism, technique, and attitude.
Experience helps sure. But ultimately, it's the top three things which make you a good football player.

Does he have the athleticism? Not sure, stupid video couldn't load so I can't tell, others will have to comment. But wrestling is not bowling. You have to be able to move and react quickly.

With great coaching, can he learn technique? We will have to wait and see.
But my money says yes.
Wrestling techniques are more intricate and sophisticated than football.
Keep in mind without the right athleticism technique could be cancelled out.

Attitude, that too we will have to wait and see.
Or if anybody can hash up old stories about this guy, wrestling on a broken foot or something along those lines that provides some insight to that.

And as far as experience goes, do you think lining up against Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, A Thomas and crew 3 days a week will help that?

I think that given the right tools and approach (coaching & from the player) this can work. Neal proved it.

 

[Ungeheuer]

The only difference is that Neal was an Olympic-caliber performer, a legend in his own sport. Porter is one of the top guys in the country apparently, but as a wrestler he's no Steve Neal.

But, there are more NCAA wrestlers who've made it than you'd think. Neal and Carlton Haselrig are only the biggest names. The Chiefs had a guy named Charlie Getty who was a wrestler and started football late. Lorenzo Neal. Jim Nance. Football isn't rocket science. It's not even basketball or baseball. Maybe you couldn't coach up a quarterback from scratch in a year, but an o-lineman or a fullback, that's possible. I'm not saying I think it's very likely this kid pans out, but there aren't many 6'6", 312-lb guys who are good athletes out there. If he's not completely overmatched, you probably stick him on the PS.

 

[Blizzzard]

what's the odds that they try this guy out at Tight End?

 

[TheBaronPatriot]

what's the odds that they try this guy out at Tight End?

The classic response to this is: Versatility = the better.
But realistically, at 6-6 312 lbs, he would need some serious wheels to play TE.
Most heavyweight wrestlers are not known for their top end speed.
But who knows...

I think 3-4 DE can't be quite ruled out yet either.
But from a body type stand point, he screams tackle, I think I read he has long arms too, even better for a tackle.

 

[bigcountry75]

The only difference is that Neal was an Olympic-caliber performer, a legend in his own sport. Porter is one of the top guys in the country apparently, but as a wrestler he's no Steve Neal.

But, there are more NCAA wrestlers who've made it than you'd think. Neal and Carlton Haselrig are only the biggest names. The Chiefs had a guy named Charlie Getty who was a wrestler and started football late. Lorenzo Neal. Jim Nance. Football isn't rocket science. It's not even basketball or baseball. Maybe you couldn't coach up a quarterback from scratch in a year, but an o-lineman or a fullback, that's possible. I'm not saying I think it's very likely this kid pans out, but there aren't many 6'6", 312-lb guys who are good athletes out there. If he's not completely overmatched, you probably stick him on the PS.

I totally agree. You can't teach size. Maybe he will take alot of work but he has the size and strength to compete. I am 6'7" 350lbs and I played only my senior year of high school. I got a football scholarship and red shirted my freshman year to learn and I was ready to come out of college and go to a combine but I blew out my knee and have 2 herniated discs which killed my chances. Anyways I know it's comparing oranges and apples but my point is that if he is any kind of a bright guy he could pick up quickly and be one hell of a pick up.

 

[cstjohn17]

Good honest answer. I would rather see Dante spend his time

teaching Bussey, Ohrnberger, and Vollmer the Patriot's blocking

schemes than have to teach Porter how to put on his shoulder

pads.

I was unfair to him, I should have said "Bouncer". He is a big dude.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I totally agree. You can't teach size. Maybe he will take alot of work but he has the size and strength to compete. I am 6'7" 350lbs and I played only my senior year of high school. I got a football scholarship and red shirted my freshman year to learn and I was ready to come out of college and go to a combine but I blew out my knee and have 2 herniated discs which killed my chances. Anyways I know it's comparing oranges and apples but my point is that if he is any kind of a bright guy he could pick up quickly and be one hell of a pick up.

Hence forth we shall call you, Little bigcountry75! Now let us away to poach the Goodall's deer and boar, break out the BBQ sauce!

I'm assuming tackle, but DT is another guess - did you get a chance to watch his wrestling video clips? He wrestles like a tackle, he backs away with a kick slide and lets the other guy be the aggressor while he patiently fends him off looking for his shot. I'd say the biggest trick to work on with him is bending at the knee and sinking his hips.

 

[patchick]

Right on Revere. A lot of forum members will soon suggest that

the Pat's scouts attend WWE Raw Smackdown to recruit players.

But Porter isn't some wild idea a forum poster thought up -- "hey, there's a really big dude on my school's wrestling team, think he could beat out Matt Light?" We're talking about Porter because the Patriots signed him to a contract. Signing a non-football player is a super-rare event, so obviously they saw something special about him.

Sure, he's a mega-longshot hoping for the 8th practice squad slot. But as I said earlier, this is exactly the sort of guy the practice squad was designed for. Some of the slots are more of a fringe roster for extra depth, but a few should be reserved for genuine development projects...like, say, a 6'8" 312-lb athlete with long, strong arms who can move his feet and establish great leverage. Why not?

 

[VJCPatriot]

Look, Neal was also a conversion project from wrestler to offensive line. So it's not like the Pats haven't done this before with SUCCESSful results. If Porter shows some potential, I expect the Pats to develop him on the practice squad, and after a couple of seasons in Dante's school of OL, he might well turn into a pleasant surprise for us.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

There is no risk, all reward with this one. I could see him on the practice squad for 2 years, and that's fine. They have plenty of depth to let him develop at his own pace. If you can get an OT sized nimble athlete for free to try and coach him up, may as well. Coach Scarnecchia must think it's worth the trouble.
An earlier comparison to Brock Lesnar failed to note that Lesnar is about 6-3, 275. He needed to make the conversion to defensive line at that size. In my opinion, it is easier to be taught offensive line than defensive line if you have limited football experience. Defense line is a lot about recognition and understanding of how to play the game, offensive line is a lot more technique based. Obviously I am more excited about the potential of Sebastian Vollmer (I can't wait to hear him introduce himself on Monday Night Football), due to his playing experience. But I think Coach Dante has to be happy about the new toys he's been given.

 

[OhExaulted1]

I think Mangini would.
He tried signing a wrestler last year I think.

Plus this year in the draft, he wanted to pull a BB and kept trading down. Mangini who taught you that? You know he had that smug look on his 'I got fired by the jets' face.

All kidding aside, I think Mangini would.

That was my point. If they claim him off waivers they can put him right on the PS without exposing him to the other 31. We don't have that luxury.

 

[patchick]

That was my point. If they claim him off waivers they can put him right on the PS without exposing him to the other 31. We don't have that luxury.

I'm not following you here. No team can put a player on their PS without cutting him first.

 

[klinefan]

That was my point. If they claim him off waivers they can put him right on the PS without exposing him to the other 31. We don't have that luxury.

So if we wanted him on our PS and they wanted him on their PS, they'd win? I don't think that's how it works.

 

[klinefan]

To all those saying that just bc he didn't play HS football he is not qualified for the PS as a sleeper I say you prob didn't play football, or if you played were not very good.

Football is a game of athleticism, technique, and attitude.
Experience helps sure. But ultimately, it's the top three things which make you a good football player.

Does he have the athleticism? Not sure, stupid video couldn't load so I can't tell, others will have to comment. But wrestling is not bowling. You have to be able to move and react quickly.

With great coaching, can he learn technique? We will have to wait and see.
But my money says yes.
Wrestling techniques are more intricate and sophisticated than football.
Keep in mind without the right athleticism technique could be cancelled out.

Attitude, that too we will have to wait and see.
Or if anybody can hash up old stories about this guy, wrestling on a broken foot or something along those lines that provides some insight to that.

And as far as experience goes, do you think lining up against Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, A Thomas and crew 3 days a week will help that?

I think that given the right tools and approach (coaching & from the player) this can work. Neal proved it.

I love the dripping condenscension. Yes, people who think it would be extrememly difficult to go from never having played to a pro either "never played or weren't that good". Unlike you. Who undoubtedly were AWESOME.

No kidding football is about agility, strength, etc...where did I say it wasn't? And why would that imply I either never played or weren't that good (unlike you, oh great one). Football like most muscular activities require a lot of repetitions...years in some cases. Witness the great football player who gets on the basketball court and can barely dribble.

You act like he'll be an all pro in no time because he has good wrestling agility. I think it's going to take a long time, if ever, and I would bet money that I was better in high school football than you, you pompous blowhard.

 

[efin98]

Profile is up on the Patriots' site, listed simply as an offensive lineman

Jermail Porter - Official New England Patriots Biography

 

[captain stone]

The FO should've tried to sign a real Offensive Lineman from Kent State, Augustus Parrish. Dante is busy enough, just trying to keep Brady alive behind that crap OLine, without being given a complete neophyte who needs to be taught absolutely everything about football.

 

[AzPatsFan]

The FO should've tried to sign a real Offensive Lineman from Kent State, Augustus Parrish. Dante is busy enough, just trying to keep Brady alive behind that crap OLine, without being given a complete neophyte who needs to be taught absolutely everything about football.

Captain,

I suggest its about time that you become an Admiral in somebody else's Navy. It s obvious you can't abide this one.

You think you know it all, in the draft, on trades, and in roster decisions. When it is patently obvious you jack about football. The Pats Offensive line may not be full of future HOF players, but it did produce an un-defeated season. Until three injuries at the same position made it tough to over come in ONE game, that was lost by three points.

The Pats O-Line is not full of "crap".:snob:

You are.:banned:

 

[State]

But we're the Patriots, and our guys rarely clear waivers.

Esp. this year, man.

Teams are going to be going over our waiver players with a lice comb. Maybe only Hoyer and Porter can make it through that.

We're going to have to cut linemen who can play in the NFL, for example.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Esp. this year, man.

Teams are going to be going over our waiver players with a lice comb. Maybe only Hoyer and Porter can make it through that.

We're going to have to cut linemen who can play in the NFL, for example.

You think Mat G. is going to beat out Hoyer and Hoyer will be a PS candidate?

 

[mgteich]

1) The patriots have no special rights to a player they waive or cut.

2) A player cut must go through waivers in reverse team order during certain periods. In any case, the team cutting him has no rights.

3) A player who is waived and passes through waivers is a free agent.

4) Any team can sign an eligible player to the Practrice Squad if the player choose to agree to a contract for at least minimum Practice Squad pay. A team can offer more if necessary, as the patriots did for Yates.
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I don't know why you would think that we retain rights to player that we have cut.

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So if we wanted him on our PS and they wanted him on their PS, they'd win? I don't think that's how it works.