Jarron Gilbert as a possible replacement for Seymour next year?

[dryheat44]

Unless we can trade #234 for a 2010 1st, I'd agree with you.

Actually, I could see value at 234. I've seen Brian Hoyer and Devin Moore going later than that in some mocks, for example, or a punter. But agree, there's little trade value.

When in doubt, a developmental quarterback is never a bad idea, especially since it may be hard to sign a decent one as a UDFA.

 

[mayoclinic]

Gilbert can easily stack 20 lbs on his frame. In a year with few pressing needs (LB (2nd via FA), S), and lots of picks in a deep draft, the time is now to get a jump on positions of need next year: DL (at least one, if not two), OT (good ones all the way to #124), OG (same). Next year they can focus on a TE, WR, RB, CB which will also be needs, and all but TE will be fairly easy to score. Don't forget we'll be drafting #32, #64, #96 next year plus a few trade aheads.

If my trades got done (all picks pass draft calc):

#23 and #58 to the Cardinals for #31 #63 and #95

#89 (3a) and #95 (3b) #124 (4) to the Vikings for #54

#31 and #63 and #199 to the Browns for #36 and #50 which would avoid 1st round contract issues, and give even a better spread through the heart of this draft:

34, 36, 47, 50, 54, 97c, 170c, 207c, 234

34: Gilbert (anyone thinks he lasts to 47 isn't paying attention)
36: Smith (S/CB/Nickel - BB can't resist the limitless potential)
47: Sintim (ILB or OLB) - knows the system, not a star, but can play
50: Meredith (athletic tackle) RT this year, LT next year
54: Pat White - WR - BB cannot resist
97: Kropog, Levitre, Lang - RG (whoever is there in that order - only Levitre played G, the others were T's)
170: Antone Smith RB (Faulk understudy?)
207: Vaughn Martin NT (raw, but physically gifted, 2-3 years away)
234: out to '10

That's an awful lot of moving around to stay essentially in the same place - 6 picks in the top 100. I'd be too tired just from all that work to get the picks right.

Regarding Gilbert, I'd say right now there is a 25% chance he goes before #34, a 25% chance he lasts to 47 or later, and a 50% chance he goes between 34 and 46. If he lasts till 34, then I'd give it about 50-50 odds that he lasts to 47. Kind of similar with Sean Smith, who I see as similar to Gilbert - another guy with huge upside who could go 1st round but could last to the mid or even late 2nd round.

I like the Vaughn Martin pick. He seems worth a late round flyer.

I'd take James Casey over Pat White as an athletic multi-purpose weapon on offense. I like the Vaughn Martin pick.

 

[DW Toys]

Unless we can trade #234 for a 2010 1st, I'd agree with you.

Actually, I could see value at 234. I've seen Brian Hoyer and Devin Moore going later than that in some mocks, for example, or a punter. But agree, there's little trade value.

How about Lonnie Harvey NT at 6'3" and 346lbs. Runs at 5.2 40 and runs like a 270-280 LB player?
Lonnie Harvey Q&A With PD : Patriots Daily
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[Box_O_Rocks]

How about Lonnie Harvey NT at 6'3" and 346lbs. Runs at 5.2 40 and runs like a 270-280 LB player?
Lonnie Harvey Q&A With PD : Patriots Daily
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I'd take a flyer on him before Vaughn Martin, but I think Terrence Knighton is the more likely Day Two NT candidate and I'm jiggy with that. :singing:

 

[bagwell368]

Unless we can trade #234 for a 2010 1st, I'd agree with you.

Actually, I could see value at 234. I've seen Brian Hoyer and Devin Moore going later than that in some mocks, for example, or a punter. But agree, there's little trade value.

I do want to trade #23 because its not much different from #19 or #29. Another team in the CB/RB/LB/OT scramble could find someone compelling at #23. Remember, its not the value u place on something that makes a deal, but what the other person is willing to pay that is favorable to you.

trading #234 was actually a toss away joke, since I did so much meaningful trading in my scenario, and everyone says they will trade forward. It's just that I think everyone else I picked before that has a great chance to stick.

I like Devin Moore too. If BB doesn't he deals the pick to a team for a 6th next year (a team that figures to have a strong year). Next year Bill uses that pick to move up in the 4th one or two picks to get someone he wants... obviously very unlikely.

But the rest of it? whaddya think?