Jabar Gaffney working out for Miami Dolphins

[Ring 6]

Dazzling us with your fancy footwork, eh Andy. Lets take a closer look at those numbers. And lets make the 'assumption' that they are correct.

If in fact Edelman had around 140 snaps at WR. That would mean he'd have been a WR 7 plays a game. And in those 7 plays I guarantee he was the last option on 90% of them. Please explain how given that info you'd expect any receiver to accumulate any significant production. Your figures mean nothing when when you put them into the context of the game. And again that assumes your snap figures are correct in the first place.

BTW- if you are correct about Edelman. That he is worse than a JAG and bombs out as a receiver (which I admit is a distinct possibility). Then BB by his own actions just committed a major mistake in thinking Julian has much more value as a receiver than you do. Why is it that I'm more comfortable being on BB's side of this issue than yours?

How is the actual way he played on the snaps he played a poor representation of the player?
The snaps come from Reiss. Take it up with him if you don't believe me.
Lets do it this way, to illustrate the impact the receivers had when on the field last year.
To make it simple, since the team played 1086 snaps, I willl take their numbers per snap and put them over 1086 snaps played.

Player and receiving yards per 1086 snaps. (Just take the yards and divided by Reiss' number for the %)

Welker 1759
Branch 924
85 1049
Edelman 256 (note that 85 had more yards that Edelmans per snap yardage would amount to if he had played every snap of the season)
Underwood 417

I'm sure Underwood wasn't a higher priority on his 75 or so snaps either.

As far as you trying to claim that BB agrees with you, what do you base this on?
It would appear that Edelman is going to be in pretty much the same spot he was last year, a special teamer who can fill in at WR, but isn't very effective.

I am sorry if the facts about his play are offensive to you, but they are facts.

 

[Ring 6]

actually, Andy, he's making only one assumption. That's if Gaffney is working out in Miami he isn't as "injured" as most of us assumed. '

A list of the assumptions that he made:


1) it is a good business decision for Gaffney to sign with another team, be on a 53-man roster Game 1 if he can, and guarantee himself a year's salary.

2) If we wait, one should judge that Gaffney just isn't as important to the team than the value of keeping one the current players on the 53 another week or two instead of on the Practice squad.

3) This isn't about Gaffney not being quite ready to play.

4) He certainly could be inactive for a couple of weeks with Rivera on the Practice Squad.

And the conclusion: Gaffney is apparently not good enough to make our team.

 

[UK_Pat37]

Well Ridley's "Fundamental Rookie Flaws" still got him a 5.1 ypc and he was still the most explosive player at the RB spot. Just an FYI... Barry Sanders spun into some hits as well, it happens.

As far as Edleman goes when I say he should be used more, I'm talking like 3-5 touches a game. Obviously he's not at the top of the pecking order, but you would think with all the attention getting paid to the TE's, Welker (and this year Lloyd), that he would be able to take advantage of some situations. If he does take advantage of those situations then it just gives other teams one more thing to think about and defend.

As far as Andy posting that Edelman had 140 snaps... I wouldn't of guessed it was that high. So maybe he doesn't need to be out there more, but maybe they just need to give him some more oppurtunities to showcase what he can do. All I'm saying is put the ball in his hands. Hopefully McDaniels is a little more creative then BOB.

Well you asked for an explanation as to why he wasn't used more and you got one...quit harping on. Clearly the coaches agreed something wasn't right or they WOULD have used him more.

I'm perfectly aware at how good a runner Ridley is, but some fundamentals in his ball carrying really needed some work

 

[Ring 6]

Well Ridley's "Fundamental Rookie Flaws" still got him a 5.1 ypc and he was still the most explosive player at the RB spot. Just an FYI... Barry Sanders spun into some hits as well, it happens.

As far as Edleman goes when I say he should be used more, I'm talking like 3-5 touches a game. Obviously he's not at the top of the pecking order, but you would think with all the attention getting paid to the TE's, Welker (and this year Lloyd), that he would be able to take advantage of some situations. If he does take advantage of those situations then it just gives other teams one more thing to think about and defend.

As far as Andy posting that Edelman had 140 snaps... I wouldn't of guessed it was that high. So maybe he doesn't need to be out there more, but maybe they just need to give him some more oppurtunities to showcase what he can do. All I'm saying is put the ball in his hands. Hopefully McDaniels is a little more creative then BOB.

He has to get open to get the ball in his hands.
You are asking for 3-5 touches A GAME and it took him about 140 snaps to catch 4 passes all season.
Unless you are saying McDaniels needs to instruct Brady to throw to Edelman rather than the open receiver, I don't know how we accomplish such a goal.

 

[UK_Pat37]

He has to get open to get the ball in his hands.
You are asking for 3-5 touches A GAME and it took him about 140 snaps to catch 4 passes all season.
Unless you are saying McDaniels needs to instruct Brady to throw to Edelman rather than the open receiver, I don't know how we accomplish such a goal.

Simple fact is, and something he's failing to comprehend, is you need to do as much as possible (and sometimes with limited opportunities) to earn more reps and a higher spot on the depth chart. Edelman has shown next to nothing for us since 2009 as a receiver. So what if he looks pretty in camp...we haven't seen it translate on to the field yet and he's had plenty of chances.

If you can't show case your talent in small samples, how are they going to have confidence in the guy with a bigger role?

I don really see what a few extra reps will do for him. All I see is a serviceable backup.

 

[patfanken]

How is the actual way he played on the snaps he played a poor representation of the player?
The snaps come from Reiss. Take it up with him if you don't believe me.
Lets do it this way, to illustrate the impact the receivers had when on the field last year.
To make it simple, since the team played 1086 snaps, I willl take their numbers per snap and put them over 1086 snaps played.

Player and receiving yards per 1086 snaps. (Just take the yards and divided by Reiss' number for the %)

Welker 1759
Branch 924
85 1049
Edelman 256 (note that 85 had more yards that Edelmans per snap yardage would amount to if he had played every snap of the season)
Underwood 417

I'm sure Underwood wasn't a higher priority on his 75 or so snaps either.

As far as you trying to claim that BB agrees with you, what do you base this on?
It would appear that Edelman is going to be in pretty much the same spot he was last year, a special teamer who can fill in at WR, but isn't very effective.

I am sorry if the facts about his play are offensive to you, but they are facts.

Andy, I have to tell you, I have no freakin' idea what these numbers are about. I have slowed down some over the years, but I do still hold 2 advanced degrees, so while I'm not as sharp as I used to be, I haven't slipped off the falls yet.

Now as close as I can gather, you are looking to assign a number of yards that was attained by the team while the player was on the field. If that's the case Welker's number are totally off.

Let me make it simple for you. Reiss gave Edelman 140 snaps as a WR. OK?. That's slightly less than 8 per game. Now using common sense, under what universe would a receiver who gets about 2 snaps per quarter as a low priority fill in, be expected to produce any significant numbers

Secondly regardless of the number BB's actions has spoke volumes of how HE perceives Edelman's value. He has left him as the 3rd available WR on this team. Do you really think he'd have done that if he didn't think he'd at least be able to back Welker up? Do you really think that all the outside comments about how well Edelman was looking as a receiver, were just people trying to mistakenly suck up to the Brnai Brith?

Again we are seemingly agonizing about a player who unless there is an injury to a WR will probably get less than 30% of the snaps during the regular offense. So, it would seem, both our efforts would be better spent on other topics.

However, bear with me, and please explain those numbers again. I'm curious now to make sense of them.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, I have to tell you, I have no freakin' idea what these numbers are about. I have slowed down some over the years, but I do still hold 2 advanced degrees, so while I'm not as sharp as I used to be, I haven't slipped off the falls yet.

Now as close as I can gather, you are looking to assign a number of yards that was attained by the team while the player was on the field. If that's the case Welker's number are totally off.

Ken, the issue may be your eyes, because clearly you didn't read.
The number represents receiving yards per snap. The number listed is their yards per snap times the total # of snaps the team had (ie yards divided by % of snaps) so that everyone can be compared equally on a per snap basis.

Let me make it simple for you. Reiss gave Edelman 140 snaps as a WR. OK?. That's slightly less than 8 per game. Now using common sense, under what universe would a receiver who gets about 2 snaps per quarter as a low priority fill in, be expected to produce any significant numbers

So your excuse is that he doesn't produce when he plays because he doesn't play enough? PER SNAP production is just that, per snap. If he had put up even 150 yards in those snaps, he would look more than 4 times better than the miniscule prodcution PER SNAP that he put up.
How do you suppose that 85 with less than twice as many snaps had 8 times more yards?
Is there anything you won't make an excuse for Edelman on? First is was that he didn't get to play. Now it is that when he got to play it didn't really count.

Secondly regardless of the number BB's actions has spoke volumes of how HE perceives Edelman's value. He has left him as the 3rd available WR on this team.

Based on what? You are guessing that he is the 3rd available WR. Salas had more catches PER GAME last year than Edelman had ALL SEASON. Many believe Gaffney is coming back, and rumors today are that Branch is.
Lets see your boy actually have that role in games before you pat him on the back for what you think a transaction might indicate.

Do you really think he'd have done that if he didn't think he'd at least be able to back Welker up? Do you really think that all the outside comments about how well Edelman was looking as a receiver just people trying to mistakenly sucking up to the Brnai Brith?

He hasn't done that. Right now we know that a guy worthy of being active for special teams and getting a few snaps a game is still on the roster.
Are you telling me that BBs roster moves are an endorsement of Matt Slater as a WR?
If you seriously have to resort to training camp reports of someone 'looking good' you are grasping further at straws than I ever thought. At least you gave the appearance of intellectual integrity to your argument before.

Again we are seemingly agonizing about a player who unless there is an injury to a WR will probably get less than 30% of the snaps during the regular offense. So, it would seem, both our efforts would be better spent on other topics.

Feel free to discuss something else.
YOU responded to me.

However, bear with me, and please explain those numbers again. I'm curious now to make sense of them.

Receiving yards divided by portion of snaps played, which is the same as calculating what their yards per snap # would equal over ever snap the team played.
i.e. We take Edelman and divide the 34 yards he put up by .133 (he played 13.3% of the snaps) and get his number which would be the same as
34 divded by (13.3% of the 1086 snaps) to get per snap production then multiply it by 1086 to make the number more understandable.

 

[brady199]

He has to get open to get the ball in his hands.
You are asking for 3-5 touches A GAME and it took him about 140 snaps to catch 4 passes all season.
Unless you are saying McDaniels needs to instruct Brady to throw to Edelman rather than the open receiver, I don't know how we accomplish such a goal.

It's not that hard to get open on a WR screen, maybe lineup in the backfield and slip out into the flat, WR reverse. He could of been out there 1400 snaps and if he's Brady's 5th read, then he's never going to get a chance. Also when Brady is throwing to the open WR/TE, who's to say Edleman isn't open as well?