It's time for Amendola to step up

[primetime]

Posters on this board really seem to have no idea how to put a veteran player's salary in context and think that every player who isn't a superstar should be playing for the minimum and every player who is a star should be in the $5-6m range, since Amendola apparently had to be a star in his first year to live up to his completely reasonable $5.75m/year salary.

 

[Ring 6]

Posters on this board really seem to have no idea how to put a veteran player's salary in context and think that every player who isn't a superstar should be playing for the minimum and every player who is a star should be in the $5-6m range, since Amendola apparently had to be a star in his first year to live up to his completely reasonable $5.75m/year salary.

Whats going on is typical of a lot of threads on this board. Somebody doesn't like Amendola so they go searching around for a stat that sounds bad or a reason to condemn him and then act like it is worse than it is to further their agenda.
The ridiculous comment about how much of his production comes in his best handful of games portrayed him as inconsistent, but the facts show it is a non topic. Now he is being trashed for the amount of days he was injured and playing through it based on recovery time of inactivity, as if anyone here really had any clue the state or severity of the injury.
Fantasy football has brought out a large number of fans who don't understand the game and instead try to manipulate statistics to 'prove' their opinion. Problem is they don't really understand the statistics either other than knowing they lose their fantasy game if Joe Schmuck gets the next 1 yard TD run.

 

[letekro]

That's a ridiculous comment. I like Amendola, but if he were better than mini-tron than he would have his numbers, but he's far behind. You do realize that Welker has more receptions over a 5 year period than anyone if football. We all know Brady is the GOAT, but this year has been proven that you can't just plug and play and expect greatness from those around.

That's just silly. Amendola is hurt. Were you watching during the preseason and Bills game when Brady threw to Amendola almost every play? He had 10 catches in the bills game despite having to come out of the game because he tore his groin off the bone. His 3rd down catch that won the game was the type of catch that Wes would never make in a million years due to his microscopic catch radius.

There is a little more to player evaluation than just comparing past numbers, especially when you are comparing across systems. Part of it is projection and if you have ever seen Amendola when healthy, you know that he is bigger, faster, more athletic, and has better hands than Wes Welker. Edelman is a physical match to Amendola, but Amendola is the more natural and acrobatic pass catcher.

I had no doubt Welker would catch 100 balls in our offense before he came here, despite the fact that he never caught more than 67 before. I had no doubt that Edelman would catch 100 balls in our offense if he stayed healthy. And I have no doubt that Amendola will do that as well if healthy.

 

[Brady6]

So very much wrong here, but this is a waste of time. Come back next year for your crow.

So you're telling me a player that has consistently performed at a certain level for 5 NFL season is going to be different in his 6th season and so much is wrong with me no agreeing with that?

Are you going to comeback for your crow next season if it doesn't happen or are you going to find another excuse for it not happening?

 

[letekro]

So you're telling me a player that has consistently performed at a certain level for 5 NFL season is going to be different in his 6th season and so much is wrong with me no agreeing with that?

Are you going to comeback for your crow next season if it doesn't happen or are you going to find another excuse for it not happening?

Of course I will come back. I've been here for years. I see three possibilities: He gets hurt, he stays healthy and has a monster season, or he stays healthy and has an average or poor season. If the last comes true, I'll eat a heaping portion of crow.

Just to clarify something: when I say DA is a better player than Wes, I mean when completely healthy. If you take his inability to stay healthy into account, then obviously I would not take him over Wes at similar point in their careers.

 

[primetime]

I think Amendola with the Rams was a better player than Welker with the Dolphins, but Welker emerged into one of the greatest slot receivers of all-time. Expecting Amendola to be Wes Welker - a player who was absurdly underpaid relative to his production throughout his entire career, by the way - is almost certainly bound to end in disappointment.

The point about Amendola's blocking is a very good one. Edelman, who is one of the league's best players in space, gets more screen passes thrown his way and gets more yards on them because of Amendola's presence.

 

[JackBauer]

I hope Dobson is not turning into one of those players one who is often injured. He has had quite a bit of time off this looks troubling. Lets go Kenbrell Thompkins and Austin Collie.

It's a foot injury. They tend to linger, especially at speed/skill positions.

 

[Brady6]

Posters on this board really seem to have no idea how to put a veteran player's salary in context and think that every player who isn't a superstar should be playing for the minimum and every player who is a star should be in the $5-6m range, since Amendola apparently had to be a star in his first year to live up to his completely reasonable $5.75m/year salary.

Nobody is saying Amendola should be playing for the minimum but there are only 25 WRs are paid more than Amendola, he was 59th in receptions, 62nd in receiving yards, and 113th in receiving touchdowns. Brandon Lloyd was released last season and he was being around $3 million less annually; Lloyd was more productive than Amendola across the board.

These are the players we have on post rookie contracts, only 4 players who all are players that are truly elite all pro players at their positions have a higher average salary than Amendola.

Mankins - $8.5 million
Mayo - $7 million
Wilfork - $7 million
Gronkowski - $6.8 million
Amendola - $5.7 million
Ninkovich - $5 million
Talib - $4.8 million
Vollmer - $4.2 million
Arrington - $4 million
Connolly - $3.2 million
Gregory - $2.2 million
Slater - $1.6 million
Edelman - $765 thousand

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I'm interested in Dobson and Thompkin, they dropped a lot of balls in the regular season, they need to step up in the playoff.

 

[primetime]

Nobody is saying Amendola should be playing for the minimum but there are only 25 WRs are paid more than Amendola, he was 59th in receptions, 62nd in receiving yards, and 113th in receiving touchdowns. Brandon Lloyd was released last season and he was being around $3 million less annually; Lloyd was more productive than Amendola across the board.

These are the players we have on post rookie contracts, only 4 players who all are players that are truly elite all pro players at their positions have a higher average salary than Amendola.

Mankins - $8.5 million
Mayo - $7 million
Wilfork - $7 million
Gronkowski - $6.8 million
Amendola - $5.7 million
Ninkovich - $5 million
Talib - $4.8 million
Vollmer - $4.2 million
Arrington - $4 million
Connolly - $3.2 million
Gregory - $2.2 million
Slater - $1.6 million
Edelman - $765 thousand

These numbers are off - Mayo's salary averages $9.7m, Gronk $9m, Wilfork $8m, Talib $5m, Ninkovich about $3.5m. If these are this year's salaries, Amendola was only paid about $2m this year because his contract is backloaded.

That said, comparing salaries across positions is like comparing the price of tea with the price of oranges. Wide receivers cost a lot of money. For example, Mayo is the highest paid 4-3 OLB in football (and look at him! he didn't do anything this year after the first few games!), whereas the highest paid WR makes about $6m per year more. The highest paid RT in football only makes $7m per year, so as a percentage of that, the "injury-prone" Vollmer is far closer to the top than Amendola is.

To counter your argument, I've offered up players who make more or comparable salaries to Amendola on a yearly basis, yet you've never actually addressed this.

Players who make more and produced less or comparably this season include Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Miles Austin, Sidney Rice, Santonio Holmes, Roddy White, Greg Jennings, Mike Williams, Stevie Johnson, Brian Hartline, Reggie Wayne, and Josh Morgan - that is, nearly half of the players paid more than Amendola. Note that some of these players (Harvin, White, Williams, Austin, Johnson, Wayne) were injured for substantial portions of this year, but if we're not going to ignore that for Amendola, then we can't let those guys off the hook either.

Players who make within $1.5m of Amendola's yearly salary and produced comparably or less (again, disregarding injury) include Devin Hester, Michael Crabtree, Nate Burleson, Santana Moss, Nate Washington, and Lance Moore.

Amendola's compensation is perfectly fine.

 

[PatsFan2]

Nobody is saying Amendola should be playing for the minimum but there are only 25 WRs are paid more than Amendola, he was 59th in receptions, 62nd in receiving yards, and 113th in receiving touchdowns. Brandon Lloyd was released last season and he was being around $3 million less annually; Lloyd was more productive than Amendola across the board.

These are the players we have on post rookie contracts, only 4 players who all are players that are truly elite all pro players at their positions have a higher average salary than Amendola.

Mankins - $8.5 million
Mayo - $7 million
Wilfork - $7 million
Gronkowski - $6.8 million
Amendola - $5.7 million
Ninkovich - $5 million
Talib - $4.8 million
Vollmer - $4.2 million
Arrington - $4 million
Connolly - $3.2 million
Gregory - $2.2 million
Slater - $1.6 million
Edelman - $765 thousand

I understand your gripe B6 by the looks of it it seems like we overpaid for DA. Don't know if some other Team wanted his services but with the Welker Issue and all they had to get somebody. So to those who say the Patriots don't overpay the Armendola signing says hello! That said I would really love for him to live up to that $5.7 Mill this Offseason...its what he does from here on out.

 

[Brady6]

These numbers are off - Mayo's salary averages $9.7m, Gronk $9m, Wilfork $8m, Talib $5m, Ninkovich about $3.5m. If these are this year's salaries, Amendola was only paid about $2m this year because his contract is backloaded.

That said, comparing salaries across positions is like comparing the price of tea with the price of oranges. Wide receivers cost a lot of money. For example, Mayo is the highest paid 4-3 OLB in football (and look at him! he didn't do anything this year after the first few games!), whereas the highest paid WR makes about $6m per year more. The highest paid RT in football only makes $7m per year, so as a percentage of that, the "injury-prone" Vollmer is far closer to the top than Amendola is.

To counter your argument, I've offered up players who make more or comparable salaries to Amendola on a yearly basis, yet you've never actually addressed this.

Players who make more and produced less or comparably this season include Dwayne Bowe, Percy Harvin, Miles Austin, Sidney Rice, Santonio Holmes, Roddy White, Greg Jennings, Mike Williams, Stevie Johnson, Brian Hartline, Reggie Wayne, and Josh Morgan - that is, nearly half of the players paid more than Amendola. Note that some of these players (Harvin, White, Williams, Austin, Johnson, Wayne) were injured for substantial portions of this year, but if we're not going to ignore that for Amendola, then we can't let those guys off the hook either.

Players who make within $1.5m of Amendola's yearly salary and produced comparably or less (again, disregarding injury) include Devin Hester, Michael Crabtree, Nate Burleson, Santana Moss, Nate Washington, and Lance Moore.

Amendola's compensation is perfectly fine.

No those are there average salaries over the life of their contracts.


PLAYERPOSAGECONTRACT TERMSAVG. SALARYGUARANTEEDFREE AGENT
Tom BradyQB365 yr$70,600,000$14,120,000$33,000,000 2018
Jerod MayoOLB277 yr$49,850,000$7,121,429$25,000,000 2018
Vince WilforkDT325 yr$40,000,000$8,000,000$25,000,000 2015
Logan MankinsG316 yr$51,000,000$8,500,000$21,500,000 2017
Rob GronkowskiTE248 yr$55,230,000$6,903,750$13,170,000 2020
Danny AmendolaWR285 yr$28,500,000$5,700,000$10,000,000 2018

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/

Highlighting other teams overpaying for players doesn't make the Amendola contract better.

 

[Brady6]

Top 50 WRs average salaries - http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/average/wide-receiver/limit-50/

 

[primetime]

Highlighting other teams overpaying for players doesn't make the Amendola contract better.

In this case, nearly every player in the NFL is overpaid.

My numbers were based on remaining life of contract (this season to free agency), not total life of contract, for what it's worth. See overthecap.com

 

[Kontradiction]

I hope Dobson is not turning into one of those players one who is often injured. He has had quite a bit of time off this looks troubling. Lets go Kenbrell Thompkins and Austin Collie.

He has a stress fracture in his foot. That's one of the worst injuries a WR/TE/RB/athlete can suffer.

 

[Brady6]

In this case, nearly every player in the NFL is overpaid.

My numbers were based on remaining life of contract (this season to free agency), not total life of contract, for what it's worth. See overthecap.com

Most times a players is signed from another team after their rookie contract they end up being overpaid. In this NFL between franchise and transition tags, exclusive signing periods and contract extensions teams generally retain their own studs.

 

[PatsFan2]

He has a stress fracture in his foot. That's one of the worst injuries a WR/TE/RB/athlete can suffer.

Stress fracture?? they should just put him on IR now Good thing we are not depending on him. Lets go Armendola.:bricks:

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Stress fracture?? they should just put him on IR now Good thing we are not depending on him. Lets go Armendola.:bricks:

He came back and played a game and a quarter after 3 weeks rest.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

I agree with your post but I don't understand the first sentence. Just saying I don't think he's fully healthy and that has hampered his play. I think the Patriots moved him down the depth chart because they know his limitations and what Edelman offers.

Sarcasm, sorry for the confusion. We're on the same page on Amendola.

 

[SalemPats]

I had no doubt Welker would catch 100 balls in our offense before he came here, despite the fact that he never caught more than 67 before. I had no doubt that Edelman would catch 100 balls in our offense if he stayed healthy. And I have no doubt that Amendola will do that as well if healthy.

All i can say is wow!

Thank god we have mini-tron, i think he's proven that he's better than Amendola