Is your glass half full or half empty?

[IllegalContact]

Last Sunday our O Line consisted of Solder, Thomas, Wendell, McDonald an Volmer.. no all pros...

A year ago it was Light, Mankins, Wendell, Waters and Volmer/Solder... three all pros among that bunch..

Perhaps it is as simple as Brady does not have as much confidence as he has in the past with his O line...

he's getting hit no more or less than last year......he's getting the time to throw. if you want o put it on discomfort, I'd lean more toward brady visibly not having confidence in the scheme mcdaniels is laying out. but you won't hear him say anything damning. Lloyd is not Moss and there is less margin for error on the deep throws they try to make to him.

its interesting to me that the Lloyd experiment to date has not been all that more successful than the chad johnson experiment......the percentages are similar, Lloyd has just gotten more looks because mcdaniel is his rump swabber

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Lloyd is far better than Ochocinco was. Let's not even joke about that. At least Lloyd was in a position to make key drops. Ocho would have been happy with Brady yelling at him for something else.

Statistically, the Super Bowl losers do not put a serious run in for the Super Bowl. The Colts and Steelers made the wild card round only to be knocked out. Superstitiously, I don't expect more than that though I think we have the most talented team we've had since 2007.

 

[Ring 6]

In regards to the secondary? Mostly empty. I'm really afraid they're going to doom us this year when it counts. Something big needs to be done about it in the off season.

In regards to the Front 7?: Half full. I see a fair amount of potential here and if they continue to improve, we can make a decent run come playoff time.

In regards to the O?: Half full. I'm sure it will be up and running when it's playoff time. The O line hasn't been as bad as I feared and I like the emergence of the RBs.

How is an offense that is #1 in yards, points and first downs, half full?

 

[IllegalContact]

Lloyd is far better than Ochocinco was. Let's not even joke about that. At least Lloyd was in a position to make key drops. Ocho would have been happy with Brady yelling at him for something else.

it wasn't a joke

the success rate of going to Lloyd is similar to the success rate when they went to johnson

 

[Rob0729]

it wasn't a joke

the success rate of going to Lloyd is similar to the success rate when they went to johnson

Brandon Lloyd through 7 games - 35 catches for 407 yards, 1 TD
Ochocinco for the entire season last year - 32 catches, 276 yards, 1 TD

 

[IllegalContact]

Brandon Lloyd through 7 games - 35 catches for 407 yards, 1 TD
Ochocinco for the entire season last year - 32 catches, 276 yards, 1 TD

try again.....ocho was targeted 32 times

Lloyd has already been targeted 65 times

if ocho was targeted as much, he'd likely have the same numbers

 

[Rob0729]

I am definitely a half full guy. Maybe if they were in the NFC I might be more of a half empty guy. But other than the Texans, who can you argue that right now are definitely better than the Pats?

Baltimore? Their defense is not much better than the Pats right now and even when their defense was relatively healthy, they won on a last second field goal in their house.

Denver? The Pats just beat them by two scores.

Pittsburgh? Their defense is old and mediocre and are just ok on offense.

Right now it is Houston and everyone else and I don't know if Houston is nearly as good as their record indicates. The Pats are still in good shape to contend for a first round bye.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Brandon Lloyd through 7 games - 35 catches for 407 yards, 1 TD
Ochocinco for the entire season last year - 32 catches, 276 yards, 1 TD

Lloyd (7 games)
Catch % = 54%
35/65
407 yards
11.6 YPC

Chad (2011 season)
Catch % = 47%
15/32
276 yards
18.6 YPC

He's saying 54% is close to 47% in terms of production. However, I would argue that Lloyd understand the route tree and can fit into this offense, that passes the eye test. You could have put CB #3/4 on chad and either neutralize him or chad would have neutralized himself.

Rather than looking at targets/completions. Maybe we should look at targets/# of reps on the field. Brady won't throw to you if you are out of position with what the defense is giving you. That would let you know why Chad is gone from this team.

 

[IllegalContact]

I also think that part of this is the fact that Lloyd showed up with his OC, so they're plugging plays that work for Lloyd

with ocho, they simply decided that he was going to do the routes that the system wanted and that they weren't going to take the time to use ocho in the way that made himsuccessful in the past. not saying without a doubt, but it would help any WR to have your past OC come along with you.

they're not going to hang Lloyd out to dry the same way.......at this point it would make mcdaniel look like a moron

Lloyd (7 games)
Catch % = 54%
35/65
407 yards
11.6 YPC

Chad (2011 season)
Catch % = 47%
15/32
276 yards
18.6 YPC

He's saying 54% is close to 47% in terms of production. However, I would argue that Lloyd understand the route tree and can fit into this offense, that passes the eye test. You could have put CB #3/4 on chad and either neutralize him or chad would have neutralized himself.

Rather than looking at targets/completions. Maybe we should look at targets/# of reps on the field. Brady won't throw to you if you are out of position with what the defense is giving you. That would let you know why Chad is gone from this team.

 

[Rob0729]

try again.....ocho was targeted 32 times

Lloyd has already been targeted 65 times

if ocho was targeted as much, he'd likely have the same numbers

First a correction, Ocho only caught 15 balls last year.

LOL! If Ocho was targetted as much as Lloyd, the Pats wouldn't have been the #1 seed in the AFC last year and might not have gone to the Super Bowl. Ocho wasn't targeted as much as Lloyd because he was never within 5 yards of Brady's passes. Targeting Lloyd was nothing more than dumping off the ball.

Also, through seven games last year, Ocho had 9 catches for 136 yards. I don't care as much about targets. Many of the target stats are misleading. If Brady overthrows an wide open receiver, that goes down as a missed targeted throw even though it is Brady's fault.

Sorry, but taking an arbitrary stat like targets vs. completions to say two receivers are the same because the percentage is the same is BS cherry picking.

It doesn't take more than a casual fan's knowledge to watch the games and see Lloyd is worlds better than Ochocinco was. He may not be the receiver many of us expected him to be, but he is a major upgrade to Ochocinco.

 

[Rob0729]

I also think that part of this is the fact that Lloyd showed up with his OC, so they're plugging plays that work for Lloyd

with ocho, they simply decided that he was going to do the routes that the system wanted and that they weren't going to take the time to use ocho in the way that made himsuccessful in the past. not saying without a doubt, but it would help any WR to have your past OC come along with you.

they're not going to hang Lloyd out to dry the same way.......at this point it would make mcdaniel look like a moron

C'mon. Ochocinco couldn't read defenses and couldn't make the adjustments. He would consistently run the wrong routes.

Lloyd may have an advantage that McDaniels knows him and his strengths and weaknesses, but they are not revising the offense for him. He is just a piece of the pie and McDaniels wanted this offense to be more TE focused especially for Hernandez who can do so many things. He wasn't revising this offense for Lloyd. Lloyd is just a cog in the offense.

They aren't hanging Llloyd out to dry because he isn't a moron like Ochocinco and he can read defenses and adjust his routes. You haven't seen many or any times where Lloyd as three to five yards from a Brady pass. You saw it a lot for Ochocinco last year and they dumbed down his plays as the season went along to get any production out of him.

 

[IllegalContact]

ocho knows how to run certain routes.......he caught alot of passes and gained alot of yards based on them.....sure he's a moron, but he also had over 1100 yards for 6 straight years, so I think he knows how certain routes and there has been plenty of film over the years to know what he can or can't do. I think there's a little more to it than 'he sucks as a WR'

I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there was plenty on him at the time the pats made the decision to waste a roster spot on him.

C'mon. Ochocinco couldn't read defenses and couldn't make the adjustments. He would consistently run the wrong routes.

Lloyd may have an advantage that McDaniels knows him and his strengths and weaknesses, but they are not revising the offense for him. He is just a piece of the pie and McDaniels wanted this offense to be more TE focused especially for Hernandez who can do so many things. He wasn't revising this offense for Lloyd. Lloyd is just a cog in the offense.

They aren't hanging Llloyd out to dry because he isn't a moron like Ochocinco and he can read defenses and adjust his routes. You haven't seen many or any times where Lloyd as three to five yards from a Brady pass. You saw it a lot for Ochocinco last year and they dumbed down his plays as the season went along to get any production out of him.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Too early for a poll like this,the team played one likely playoff team and lost.

See me for my selection after the 49ers game

 

[IllegalContact]

Too early for a poll like this,the team played one likely playoff team and lost.

See me for my selection after the 49ers game

which is why I said my glass is 4/7 full

 

[Rob0729]

ocho knows how to run certain routes.......he caught alot of passes and gained alot of yards based on them.....sure he's a moron, but he also had over 1100 yards for 6 straight years, so I think he knows how certain routes and there has been plenty of film over the years to know what he can or can't do. I think there's a little more to it than 'he sucks as a WR'

I'm not sticking up for the guy, but there was plenty on him at the time the pats made the decision to waste a roster spot on him.

Ocho caught 15 balls all year for 276 yards. That is 0.94 catches and 17.25 yards per game. How is that exactly catching a lot of balls for a lot of yards last year? His best game last year was for 2 catches for 65 yards against the Jets.

Brandon Lloyd has already had four games where he had more than 65 yards this season. In fact, if you take those four games, he had more catches and yards in those four games than Ochocinco had all season.

As for Ochocinco's career with the Bengals, he ran in a simple offense there and could use his elite physical talents to make up for what he lacked in brains. Even then, players have said they used to have to tell him where to line up in that simple offense.

The Pats weren't/aren't going to revise their offense for one receiver. Not even Welker. Either you fit into the system or you ride the bench. Ochocinco was under 900 yards in his last year in Cincy and didn't deserve to have any team revise their offense to fit him at that point. Ocho is a street free agent right now for a reason. Look at the Jets, if they thought he was good still they would have picked him up considering the crap they have at WR. They don't even think he was worth picking up over Jason Hill who sucks.

 

[Rob0729]

Too early for a poll like this,the team played one likely playoff team and lost.

See me for my selection after the 49ers game

They lost on a last second field goal in their house with the replacement refs screwing up the game. I think the Pats would have won that game if it was in Foxboro. And if the Pats and Ravens meet again, it could very well be in Foxboro.

I do agree in part that it is a little to early for these polls. Not because of who the Pats have played, but since the AFC is so wide open with no one other than the Texans showing they deserve to be considered the class of the conference.

 

[IllegalContact]

They lost on a last second field goal in their house with the replacement refs screwing up the game. I think the Pats would have won that game if it was in Foxboro. And if the Pats and Ravens meet again, it could very well be in Foxboro.

I do agree in part that it is a little to early for these polls. Not because of who the Pats have played, but since the AFC is so wide open with no one other than the Texans showing they deserve to be considered the class of the conference.

alot of excuses and not much else.....just like your previous post

 

[Rob0729]

alot of excuses and not much else.....just like your previous post

LOL! You are arguing that Lloyd isn't any better than Ochocinco in this offense and you have the nerve to criticize my posts.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

They lost on a last second field goal in their house with the replacement refs screwing up the game. I think the Pats would have won that game if it was in Foxboro. And if the Pats and Ravens meet again, it could very well be in Foxboro.

I do agree in part that it is a little to early for these polls. Not because of who the Pats have played, but since the AFC is so wide open with no one other than the Texans showing they deserve to be considered the class of the conference.

As far as the Baltimore game,it was a controversial end but the team never should have let it get to that point anyway.

I do agree that if the Texans remain without another big name player going down,they are easily the best team in the Conference and may be the most dominant team in the AFC conference since the 2007 Pats with 13 wins at least this year.

The 2012 Patriots fate will have a lot to do with that 2 game stretch of Houston and then SF despite it being non divisional games....win at least one of those and hope is in the air,win both and SB aspirations go strong,lose both and see ya next year.

 

[Angry Man]

Half full here. I'm very confident that we can overcome our issues and go strong into the playoffs as AFC East Champs then charge right to and WIN the freaking Super Bowl!