Is one player worth changing from 3-4 to 4-3

[billdog3484]

If we gave up a 2nd rounder for the leagues most dominant inside player, and the team we traded him from ate his monster 21M bonus, would it be worth considering changing from a 3-4 to 4-3. We'd have arguably the best interior DL in the game, and would enable Mayo to excel as a MLB.

just a thought. i havent thought much into it, but it could be worth it

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

I seriously doubt it would happen but imagine if Albert Haynesworth and Vince Wilfork became the front of a 4-3?

That would be some big meat to try and run through

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

I seriously doubt it would happen but imagine if Albert Haynesworth and Vince Wilfork became the front of a 4-3?

That would be some big meat to try and run through

It would also seriously cripple our salary cap.

 

[ALP]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

i would forward you to the other thread titled something alonng the lines of haynsowrth

 

[Sciz]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

And what do we do with Warren? He doesn't fit very well at 4-3 LE.

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

Some people need to start watching less sportscenter and more actual NFL games!

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

If we gave up a 2nd rounder for the leagues most dominant inside player, and the team we traded him from ate his monster 21M bonus, would it be worth considering changing from a 3-4 to 4-3. We'd have arguably the best interior DL in the game, and would enable Mayo to excel as a MLB.

just a thought. i havent thought much into it, but it could be worth it

3-4 ... 4-3 thread version 1.59

 

[TheComeback]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

And what do we do with Warren? He doesn't fit very well at 4-3 LE.

Start him at DT and not bother with Haynesworth.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

haynesworth, would be pissed about playing in a 2 gap system and if not that he would find something to mouth off about. mayo, may go from 120 tackels to a 130 tackels it's not woth it cause the pats have no real 4-3 DE's on the roster AD is done. burgess, is not a starter TBC would get eaten up by a OT.



thats and the pats may be able to get one or two 3-4 OLB's in this draft. the only 4-3 DE's in this draft that could make any impact as a rookie is Jason Pierre-Paul, and Derrick Morgan, and both will be long gone when the pats pick.

 

[Fencer]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

There's only one case in which a single defensive player is worth changing a scheme for. If you have a highly versatile player (Lawrence Taylor or even Troy Polamalu), you might force enough flexibility in how you deploy the other 10 so that your star's versatility can be deployed. And the only if you had a fairly changeable scheme (both the BB and Pittsburgh 3-4s qualify) in the first place.

No greater scheme change than that is worth it.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

I don't understand the concept of changing an entire philosophy around one player. Changing one thing has a massive roll over effect into the next.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

I don't understand the concept of changing an entire philosophy around one player. Changing one thing has a massive roll over effect into the next.

Didnt you hear? The team stinks, BB cant draft. So the best way to win would be to change everything that made the franchise successful. That would include defensive philosophy :bricks:

 

[Marqui]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

Didnt you hear? The team stinks, BB cant draft. So the best way to win would be to change everything that made the franchise successful. That would include defensive philosophy :bricks:

Yeah it's like they think if the Pats switch to a 4-3, TBC and Ninkovich will magically become Freeney and Mathis or something..

 

[signbabybrady]

In his mailbag this week Reiss had some really good insight into the switching to 4-3 debate.

He said he sees no evidence of the Patriots doing this (anymore than just to be flexible).

He said he doesn't see scouts looking for 4-3 players and more importantly the players that have visited with the Patriots that have spoke to Reiss following the visit all spoke of 3-4 related questions that they were asked.

His point is that if the scouts aren't looking for it and the players are being quizzed on the 3-4 than they likely are not switching because they would need to change their scouting and drafting philosophies in order to do this.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

I don't understand the concept of changing an entire philosophy around one player. Changing one thing has a massive roll over effect into the next.

It worked out pretty well in 2001.

 

[chevss454]

If we gave up a 2nd rounder for the leagues most dominant inside player, and the team we traded him from ate his monster 21M bonus, would it be worth considering changing from a 3-4 to 4-3. We'd have arguably the best interior DL in the game, and would enable Mayo to excel as a MLB.

just a thought. i havent thought much into it, but it could be worth it

There's a less costly way of doing it. Derrick Morgan (trade up), C. Wootton, T. Alualu

Derrick Morgan! According to a previous post from Box_O_Rocks...

"I believe BB has identified Morgan as the #1 DE/OLB prospect for his 4-2 project because he also fits the multi-front requirement. I have Wootton as #2. Pierre-Paul has been worked out by BB, but I don't think he's a likely prospect given his projected draft slot. Te'o-Nesheim, Hall Davis, Jeffrey Fitzgerald, John Fletcher, Mitch Unrein, Alex Daniels are all later round options who may also be drafted for depth/competition."

"4-3 - Morgan's a DE. 3-4 LOLB. 4-2 Nickel (the new NE base defense) Morgan and TBC, that is going to pressure the QB just like the bad old days, Guyton and Mayo inside - Gary is getting to be a fine inside blitzer and Mayo has the tools.
Remember, BB wasn't happy with the way things went last season, the two areas of greatest weakness are edge rush and WR depth - I expect a curve ball from BB and this time it's a move up the board.

If BB misses on Morgan, Cory Wootton."

There's more from Box on 3/4 vs evidence pointing to more 4 man front.

"Conversion DE/OLB will need to be stronger edge rushers with good strength against the run. They may not even need to be used as OLB in a 3-4 since it will be a formation seeing 20% or less use.

I think BB would prefer to get his DL and DE/OLB types as early as possible, especially the DE/OLB. TE isn't a big push and WR can wait too.

BB will continue to play two gap, just from a 40 front with two power pig inside. Put McKenzie at Mike, Mayo at Will, and Guyton at Sam and you've got a fast, run stuffing defense that can bring the heat if there's a first down pass play."

 

[dhamz]

You mean would BB go to a 4-3 if he could add Reggie White or Bruce Smith in their prime at DE? Defintiely. I don't think there is anyone available who fits that bill.

3-4 or 4-3 isn't the issue. The team needs better players in a multiple spots in the front 7. Changing to a 4-3 base doesn't change that and weakens some of the spots we consider OK right now.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

It worked out pretty well in 2001.

Unfortunately it's not 2001 Deus Irae...

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

Unfortunately it's not 2001 Deus Irae...

I hear you. I was just pointing out a relevant example where it worked. One could also point to the addition of Ted Washington and the switch back to the 3-4 in 2003 as another one. It's one of those things where special people can make it worthwhile.


P.S. I'm not saying Haynesworth is one of those special people, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Fencer]

Re: Is 1 Player Worth Changing from 3-4 to 4-3

I hear you. I was just pointing out a relevant example where it worked. One could also point to the addition of Ted Washington and the switch back to the 3-4 in 2003 as another one. It's one of those things where special people can make it worthwhile.


P.S. I'm not saying Haynesworth is one of those special people, by any stretch of the imagination.

I considered the Washington example, but decided against acknowledging it.

BB will go with a 3-4 whether his NT is adequate or outstanding. He just moves away from a 3-4 when the NT is inadequate. (Under many assumptions, of course, such as the personnel mix/down/distance on the offensive side.)

I'm whiffing right now on the name of the guy who replaced Washington and started ahead of Wilfork but -- well, he wasn't very memorable.