Is Jackson's start a Bad Omen?

[spacecrime]

Greetings to all from Denmark - land of Hans Christian Andersen.

And Hans Brinker!

 

[pats1]

Yeah, me too. It kinds of sums everything up, not only the pre-season panic, but the belief that every departed player was vital and no new player will amount to anything. As you (or someone) said, when after Givens first year, no one figured him to even make the team. When he left he was indespensible. It happens every year. This year,and again, our new players will not amount to much and none of them can replace our departed vets. We are doomed.

We're DOOOOMED.







@%^$&%#!@ Seagulls!

 

[JR4]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I think you tend to take anything that isn't overwhelmingly positive as something that is overwhelmingly negative.

WOW! you are right on with that observation!

I really couldn't find the words to express the character of his responses.
You nailed it.

 

[TomBradyWoot]

I am really disturbed that the wonder boy WR hasn't got a nub NFL contact
without ending up being absent.
I was sure impressed with his ability to catch in those advertising flicks.
But is this another Bethel in progress? Great Potential unrealized?
Very disturbing ... the kid is now a week and 12 some odd practices behind.
So is this an Omen of things to come with Chad Jackson?

Should have traded up for Santurdio Holmes! :eat1:

 

[upstater1]

Because? .... because he is 12 practices behind ..... because he was suppose to
be the great WR addition ..... because he hasn't shown anything when the
pads are on .... because I'm diappointed that PATs WR core won't
be what it could have been if he was able to stay healthy ....... because
Belichick even says without a good TC those guys are struggling to catch up
..... because I just hope this is not another guy who is great if you can
keep him on the field ......

I wasn't expecting Chad Jackson to pick up the slack this year. I had him pegged as our #4.

 

[pats1]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I think you tend to take anything that isn't overwhelmingly positive as something that is overwhelmingly negative.

Read it through one more time:

Won't mean a thing in November or December if they've lost the division
in the early part of the season. PATs need to be very good right away
this year ..... if lowely Jets and Bills can split with us then it is possible
Miami could take two ... and all this could be set up in first five weeks of
the season. If it happened that way PATs could lose the Division and maybe
not even make the playoffs. Being good early this year is necessary. IMO

And this isn't about any other player. This isn't about depth. This isn't about Brady. This isn't about Belichick.

This is ONLY about Jackson.

If that isn't a worst-case scenario made into a probable situation, if this isn't overreacting to insignificant camp stories, if this isn't overhwhelmingly negative and Broges-like, I urge to please, PLEASE tell me what is.

There seems to be COMPLETE negligence on JR4's part to simply recognize that NO TEAM'S squad with players sitting out, holdouts, etc. will be the same as the squad they start the season with.

Because? .... because he is 12 practices behind ..... because he was suppose to
be the great WR addition ..... because he hasn't shown anything when the
pads are on .... because I'm diappointed that PATs WR core won't
be what it could have been if he was able to stay healthy

If THAT isn't jumping to plain idiotic premature conclusions, PLEASE tell me what is.

"He was supposed to..."

"The Pats WR core won't..."

Is it December 6 or August 6? Good God. NOTHING has been decided yet. Even if Jackson were to come out this week and catch every single pass, it wouldn't mean he's going to have a great season. The reverse - the situation above - is also true!

Jackson has stuggled in a few practices, and ALL THE SUDDEN Chad Jackson isn't a good player anymore, and ALL THE SUDDEN the Patriots WR corps is a "won't."

Outrageous.

You apparently have not listen to many Belichick conferences where he talks
about players missing Training Camp and the effect going into the season.

...

It is what it is.

I can't believe how some here (there are others) are simply unable to handle "BB logic."

If BB says it's not good to miss practices, and a player misses a practice, that player is all the sudden not a Belichick player, is under-achieving, and is the next Bethel Johnson.

 

[JR4]

......
If BB says it's not good to miss practices, and a player misses a practice, that player is all the sudden not a Belichick player, is under-achieving, and is the next Bethel Johnson.

Let me repeat what SoonerPatriot said:

" ..... you tend to take anything that isn't overwhelmingly positive as something that is overwhelmingly negative. "

You take any negative about the PATs situation and turn it into a sky is
falling scenario.
Wake up ---- there are things as of Today that are not the way an ideal
TC/preason should be.

Does that mean PATs will go 0-16? .... obvioulsy not
Does it mean they MIGHT not do as well as they POTENTIALLY could have ... yes.
That is a true statement. Especially if something doesn't change.

But things will be different if ONE OR MORE of the following happen:

-- Bruschi not injured too bad
-- significant PUPs getting healthy and able to practice
-- Jackson putting in consecutive strong days of practice and
looking like he is to get his timing down with Tom in full pads.
-- Deion gets on practice field
-- ILB postion get key people back and even has some depth.

If some of these things happen --- your blue sky will be a reality.
If they do not happen this season MAY not be as bright...... but
that dosen't mean a 0-16 season. (note: not indicating the season will be a disaster)

Concerns of today do not = how it will be at the start of the season.

You can deny they are concerns of today ..... for YOU. No problem
.. live in that dream world.

Some of us see potential problems and will discuss them so we can gain
a better idea of the true state of of our Team.
Some of us see potential problems shaping up but are still optimistic they
will work out but don't deny they exist.

jeesh ... at least admit some of the negatives could POSSIBLY effect the season without meaning the season will be a disaster.
Is that such a hard thing to project?



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please note pats1, in the above i did not call or infer in anyway that you
are dumb or an idiot or negligent. And I didn't quote you out of context
in a manner to generate pretext .... at least that i am aware of.

But it seems you do ... for example

Because? .... because he is 12 practices behind ..... because he was suppose to
be the great WR addition ..... because he hasn't shown anything when the
pads are on .... because I'm diappointed that PATs WR core won't
be what it could have been if he was able to stay healthy

If THAT isn't jumping to plain idiotic premature conclusions, PLEASE tell me what is.

"... because he is 12 practices behind "
true at the time written

" because he was suppose to be the great WR addition "
true .... and he still might be if can practice.

"because I'm diappointed that PATs WR core won't
be what it could have been if he was able to stay healthy"
true see the complete post below refering to what Belichick said

"idiotic premature conclusions" ?

my response, you partially quoted, was to the question why am I concerned about Jackson

( full text)
"Because? .... because he is 12 practices behind ..... because he was suppose to
be the great WR addition ..... because he hasn't shown anything when the
pads are on .... because I'm diappointed that PATs WR core won't
be what it could have been if he was able to stay healthy ....... because
Belichick even says without a good TC those guys are struggling to catch up
..... because I just hope this is not another guy who is great if you can
keep him on the field ...... "


You took what you want out of my original post ... but be careful ...
sometimes text taken out of context is pretext. I hope that wasn't your intent.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Read it through one more time:



And this isn't about any other player. This isn't about depth. This isn't about Brady. This isn't about Belichick.

This is ONLY about Jackson.

If that isn't a worst-case scenario made into a probable situation, if this isn't overreacting to insignificant camp stories, if this isn't overhwhelmingly negative and Broges-like, I urge to please, PLEASE tell me what is.

There seems to be COMPLETE negligence on JR4's part to simply recognize that NO TEAM'S squad with players sitting out, holdouts, etc. will be the same as the squad they start the season with.



If THAT isn't jumping to plain idiotic premature conclusions, PLEASE tell me what is.

"He was supposed to..."

"The Pats WR core won't..."

Is it December 6 or August 6? Good God. NOTHING has been decided yet. Even if Jackson were to come out this week and catch every single pass, it wouldn't mean he's going to have a great season. The reverse - the situation above - is also true!

Jackson has stuggled in a few practices, and ALL THE SUDDEN Chad Jackson isn't a good player anymore, and ALL THE SUDDEN the Patriots WR corps is a "won't."

Outrageous.



I can't believe how some here (there are others) are simply unable to handle "BB logic."

If BB says it's not good to miss practices, and a player misses a practice, that player is all the sudden not a Belichick player, is under-achieving, and is the next Bethel Johnson.

I'm having trouble understanding why you find it so outrageous the idea that a rookie player missing camp means that player is behind. Why does that concept offend you so much?

Fact: Jackson is a rookie

Fact: He's missed a bunch of practices

Fact: He is, at least for the moment, BEHIND.

Does that mean he is a bust? Nope.

Does that mean there's no possiblitly he can be useful this season? Nope.

I don't see any Bethel in Chad. He comes from a more advanced offense. He's a more polished player. His hands are infinately better.

But, at least for the moment, he is behind the curve. Whether he makes that up, or it dogs him all year, remains to be seen. And even if it does it isn't the end of the world.

 

[pats1]

I'm having trouble understanding why you find it so outrageous the idea that a rookie player missing camp means that player is behind. Why does that concept offend you so much?

Fact: Jackson is a rookie

Fact: He's missed a bunch of practices

Fact: He is, at least for the moment, BEHIND.

Does that mean he is a bust? Nope.

Does that mean there's no possiblitly he can be useful this season? Nope.

I don't see any Bethel in Chad. He comes from a more advanced offense. He's a more polished player. His hands are infinately better.

But, at least for the moment, he is behind the curve. Whether he makes that up, or it dogs him all year, remains to be seen. And even if it does it isn't the end of the world.

Thank you! That's what I've been saying all along!

It's common sense that missing practice will put a player, especially a rookie behind.

But JR4 and Casale twisted that. Casale made it sound like Jackson, by missing practice, wasn't going to fit in with the Pats, or that he was personally keeping out of practice in the sense of a holdout.

JR4, regardless of how he wants to twist my highlighted quotes of him, made it a situation where his fate has already been decided, and then cascaded it into the downfall of the Patriots' offense and then the loss of the division lead.

And to JR4 - it's all about patience. If everyone reacted and shared their opinions before the scope of the situation had carried itself out, we'd have threads like "Is this offense could enough to win a game" after Brady threw one interception.

Look, call me what you want. I've doubted the Patriots in the past. I was proven wrong. I doubted them again. I was proven wrong. I doubted them yet again, and was again proven wrong. With their results to show for it, I'll wait until they fall back to the bottom of the NFL before I start doubting them again.

 

[PatsSteve1]

It's never good for any rookie to miss that many practice sessions in his 1st traing camp no matter the position. If Branch comes back, even if not for another couple odf weeks, has worked in the O and with Brady long enough that a few practices will have them working togther well. Jackson doesn't have that experience with the offense or wprking with Brady. It's just common sense.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Just so long as we're not seeing a recurrence of Klemm syndrome.