ILB Adam Seward [merged - old 2008 thread]

[Deus Irae]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Well you can, but you would be an idiot to do so. I asked the quesiton to give you the opportunity to not look like an idiot.

Are you really going to go down another "I'll change the definitions until they fit my argument" path like you did in trying to blame the defense for losing the Super Bowl? You looked foolish enough with that argument. Do you really want to go nonsensical again over something as simple as an NFL.com designation? I don't even oppose (or support) the move because I don't know enough about the kid. All I've said is that Belioli aren't perfect and it's not foolish to prefer the 5th round pick over a career nobody (to this point).

 

[BPF]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Here's a piece on why Seward slipped to the 5th Rd and how his career, dating back to senior yr @ UNLV, has been slowed by a series of foot injuries. We could have a steal on our hands here if we end up with this kid now that he is healthy and in a scheme that better fits his strengths.

http://car.scout.com/2/553021.html

Exclusive: Q & A with Adam Seward

By Matt Edwards
PantherInsider.com
Posted Aug 4, 2006


Pantherinsider.com writer Matt Edwards caught up recently with Panther linebacker Adam Seward.

Edwards: First of all, how’s the foot doing?

The foot – ah, it’s great. It’s 100%. You know, it’s unfortunate what happened how it broke in the fourth game of the season on Monday night, but it’s something that Coach Fox and everyone knew what was wrong with me. It’s one of the, actually probably the main reason that I slipped to the fifth round of the draft, because I was projected a lot higher, like the third round. It’s good to get it fixed and it’s better that it happened now instead of like the third or fourth year. Just get it out of the way now and get it fixed and I’m just looking forward to having a great year this year with a foot that’s 100%.

Edwards: What exactly was wrong with the foot?

I had a stress fracture going into my senior year of college. I had an option to let it go because it was just a crack in my fifth metatarsal, which is like the last bone in your foot. They were like, well, you can just go ahead and try to play with it and we can take a chance of it being okay, or we can just put a pin in it right now and you probably wouldn’t start the first game but depending on how you felt you could come back as soon as you felt like you were ready. I just felt like at that time it was something that I need to do, so I went ahead and got it fixed and believe it or not, four weeks out of surgery, I didn’t start, but I played probably 30% of the snaps at Tennessee, our opening game. From that point on, I just started to play every play and it was something I did because I wanted us – you know I thought that we had a good chance to win, especially if I was in there playing.

Unfortunately, I did more damage to my foot than I ever thought possible and I ended up breaking the pin in my foot. When I showed up at the combine, I had ex-rays done on my foot and it revealed that not only had my stress fracture not healed because I had been playing on it and not giving it a chance to heal, but also that the pin was broken in my foot too. That was just a bad situation. Thankfully here with the Panthers we have a great orthopedics staff and they saw no problems with it, they took me right away and [the foot injury] was something they knew would happen. They knew I would have to have surgery on it eventually and I’m just glad I was able to make it to the fourth game and show the team and the fans what I can do and just give people a reason to be excited about me next year.

Edwards: At the mini-camp, you worked with the second team at inside linebacker, correct?

Uh… yeah. I mean, they’re still trying to decide what they’re going to do with me I guess. Obviously, they’re going to have the best three linebackers playing. This is something they’d obviously planned on going into mini-camp. So, yeah, I was working with the second team at inside linebacker, but in a couple of our packages when we bring in four linebackers I actually start and play outside linebacker in that package and a couple other packages as well. So, that’s one of the things they like about me is that I can play inside or outside linebacker, but you know whatever they decide to play me at is fine, I just want to help the team win any way I can.

Edwards: I understand that Morgan of course is going to be in the middle and then they’re looking at Thomas Davis more at the strong side position (Yeah.) So that leaves the weak side position open. Are they looking at you at all at the weak side position?

I believe they are, yeah. I mean, I think another priority, along with the weak side is – you know especially with Dan Morgan’s history, he’s a great linebacker, but he’s yet to play a full season – so they want to make sure that they have somebody (from what I was told and what they told me and from an obvious standpoint) that they want to have someone that they feel can come in the game when he goes down and not miss a beat. You know, they don’t want to have that – they don’t want to have that spot being a guy that really can’t come in and feel in. I think with me they feel I can do that very well. So, they want to make sure that they’re solid in that area just in case something happens to him because it’s happened for the last four of five years that he’s played. But with me, I just want to help any way I can. I would love to play that weak side spot; I think I can do it and that’s my goal going into training camp, to solidify that spot and show the coaches that can play it and you know I think I can. I believe in my ability. But, like I said, wherever I play at, I’m fine. As long as I can help the team win and whatever that is – that’s fine with me.

Edwards: Speaking of Dan Morgan, how is he doing?

Oh, he’s great. He had… I believe it was shoulder surgery at the end of the season, but he’s doing well. He looks great out there through mini-camp and in summer school. You know, he’s a great guy; he’s a great mentor and he’s a great leader. He’s a guy who’s just a lot of fun to hang out with and he teaches me a lot about just playing linebacker in general and he just makes the linebacker corps just a much tighter unit. He’s doing well, he looks great, and I think he’s going to have a big year this year.

Edwards: From your perspective, how does he handle the injury situation mentally?

Uh…gosh, well… He does it… It’s got to be frustrating, obviously for people to label you as injury prone or what not. But I think he does a good job of blocking that out. You know he’s a great player, he has great ability and I can tell this year that he’s in the weight room more, working on his strength a lot more, trying to build up his upper body hopefully to prevent those type of things. But, injuries you know they’re not something you can always prevent. You can lift, you can work out, you can take care of your body, but sometimes in games, sometimes in practice even, things just happen. But, he’s a veteran, he’s going into his sixth year and I think that if there’s anyone that can handle that kind of – I don’t want to call it pressure

 

[RayClay]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

I don't recall tossing in the defensive end conversion projects, like Bailey, when it came to my examples. In other words, I used a convenient LB designation put upon the players by NFL.com, which is why I have no compunction about actually pointing to those players. However, if you'd like to drop Thomas from the list and add Bailey, you go for it. That would make a net change of..... zero. Furthermore, the notion of belittling Thomas's potential role when Seward hasn't been a starter to this point in his career is a bit stupid in the first place.

They don't draft linebackers and have hit pretty well the ones they have spent for, (Thomas, Vrable, Colvin).

By trying a lot of inexpensive LBs they avoid the huge free agent busts that sink most teams. I'd like to see them draft LBs, but i'm not going to say they don't know more than I do.

Signing players for the minimum is never a bad move, you only need to hit a small percent.

By the way, I don't even understand the post i quoted.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

They don't draft linebackers and have hit pretty well the ones they have spent for, (Thomas, Vrable, Colvin).

By trying a lot of inexpensive LBs they avoid the huge free agent busts that sink most teams. I'd like to see them draft LBs, but i'm not going to say they don't know more than I do.

Signing players for the minimum is never a bad move, you only need to hit a small percent.

By the way, I don't even understand the post i quoted.

Try it this way:



I don't know enough about Seward to choose him or the 5th rounder

5th round picks aren't gold, but they can yield good players

Seward hasn't been a starter to this point in his career

Belioli aren't perfect, although I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time

Preferring the potential of a 5th round pick over a career backup isn't inherently stupid or wrong

 

[BHSL2]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Preferring the potential of a 5th round pick over a career backup isn't inherently stupid or wrong

Agreed. But what are the chances? The chances that Seward develops well and outperforms a 5th rd pick. Or vice versa?

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Are you really going to go down another "I'll change the definitions until they fit my argument" path like you did in trying to blame the defense for losing the Super Bowl? You looked foolish enough with that argument. Do you really want to go nonsensical again over something as simple as an NFL.com designation? I don't even oppose (or support) the move because I don't know enough about the kid. All I've said is that Belioli aren't perfect and it's not foolish to prefer the 5th round pick over a career nobody (to this point).

Where am I changing the definition of anything? You used an obscure camp fodder signing as evidence of BB and Pioli's abilty to assess FA LBs. That means that we can name 30 players every year that every team made bad signings on right? If you fill the 80 man roster, then every one of the 80 should have been a great contributor or they are proof you don't know what you are doing.

I have no idea what you are talking about with an NFL.com designation.

Funny that you bring up the other thread, since you have yet to make a sensible point it in, on top of th efact that you were never capable of understanding what I was saying because you were too busy trying to argue how allowing 2 80 yard drives and 150 passing yards in one quarter of football is good defense.

If you can honestly say with a straight face that a camp fodder guy signed to be a tackling dummy belongs in an analysis of the quality of free agent acquisitions, you are simply proving that you are an ignorant guy who refuses to ever admit when he is wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Try it this way:



I don't know enough about Seward to choose him or the 5th rounder

5th round picks aren't gold, but they can yield good players

Seward hasn't been a starter to this point in his career

Belioli aren't perfect, although I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time

Preferring the potential of a 5th round pick over a career backup isn't inherently stupid or wrong

Preferring a 5th round pick over a guy you say you dont know enough about to know whether he is better than a 5th rounder is inherently stupid though.

 

[PatsFan37]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

I e-mailed Mike Reiss. "Any further word on Adam Seward".

Mike replied: "I hear he had a good visit. Now, we wait for
the offer, James. I think they'll make him one".

Assuming that's for real and you're not just kidding around, you brought some useful information to the board. Thank you.

(Hope you don't mind my bumping it past the pissing contest)

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Preferring a 5th round pick over a guy you say you dont know enough about to know whether he is better than a 5th rounder is inherently stupid though.

Where do you come up with such obviously wrong notions? Is it a failure of reading comprehension or do you just not bother to actually think this stuff through?

 

[RayClay]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Try it this way:



I don't know enough about Seward to choose him or the 5th rounder

5th round picks aren't gold, but they can yield good players

Seward hasn't been a starter to this point in his career

Belioli aren't perfect, although I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time

Preferring the potential of a 5th round pick over a career backup isn't inherently stupid or wrong

The point is, they scouted him in college and he's been in the NFL a number of years.

That's their M.O. for linebackers, they like them to know the basics, not to be raw.

If they think he's worth a serious look, he's worth a fifth.

A fifth in the draft is a crapshoot compared to player who has apparently played inside and outside and a little in a 3-4 (sure it's practice, but Vrable was a backup too).

IMO, for most fifth rounders, career backup would be above average if that career was more than a couple years.

Although I agree you've made your point logically in this post, I still think a fifth rounder has a less than average chance of making this team, not that this guy would be a lock either.

 

[ALP]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Assuming that's for real and you're not just kidding around, you brought some useful information to the board. Thank you.

(Hope you don't mind my bumping it past the pissing contest)

and thank you for quoting it, b/c i was wandering on an update as well, and i had missed the post you quoted....

(it seems some babies just are too cranky today)

 

[patsox23]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

The point is, they scouted him in college and he's been in the NFL a number of years.

That's their M.O. for linebackers, they like them to know the basics, not to be raw.

If they think he's worth a serious look, he's worth a fifth.

A fifth in the draft is a crapshoot compared to player who has apparently played inside and outside and a little in a 3-4 (sure it's practice, but Vrable was a backup too).

IMO, for most fifth rounders, career backup would be above average if that career was more than a couple years.

Thank you, Ray Clay and AJ for making a clear and reasoned argument about the (most recent) insanity being spewed by Deus.

Seward is a guy the Pats liked when he was coming out. He's been stuck behind LBs in a system less conducive to his style of play. I think the informed risk of taking a guy who scouted heavily and you now have TAPE OF since he's been playing, even sparingly, in the NFL, FAR outweighs the risk inherent in selecting a player who was in high school during at least one of our last two Super Bowl years.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

Thank you, Ray Clay and AJ for making a clear and reasoned argument about the (most recent) insanity being spewed by Deus.

Seward is a guy the Pats liked when he was coming out. He's been stuck behind LBs in a system less conducive to his style of play. I think the informed risk of taking a guy who scouted heavily and you now have TAPE OF since he's been playing, even sparingly, in the NFL, FAR outweighs the risk inherent in selecting a player who was in high school during at least one of our last two Super Bowl years.

Funny.... the quote you're celebrating Ray Clay for seems to be missing a portion of the full quote. Let's take a look at it:

Although I agree you've made your point logically in this post, I still think a fifth rounder has a less than average chance of making this team, not that this guy would be a lock either.

I wonder why this part was omitted.

 

[DocE]

Re: Pats to host ILB Adam Seward tomorrow

Thought anyone reading this thread might enjoy this link:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/combineleaders.php?genpos=ILB&sortorder=comforty&order=ASC


You can sort the the top combine performances since 2000 in each drill by position. Seward has one of the best 40 times, bench press total, and shuttle times of all ILB's at the combine from 2000-2008.

I am not saying combine results= NFL success, but it is interesting to see how he stacked up at the combine compared to ILB's who will be selected in this draft.

 

[HSanders]

Re: Pats to host LB Adam Seward tomorrow

He started 15 games from the bench in 2004?

Thank you.

When Morgan went down for the eighty billionth time, they had Draft in there filling in. When they let Draft go in FA they drafted their MLB of the future in Beason (so they let the rook step in @ MLB when Morgan went down for the eighty billion and one-th time, I think Beason was starting at Will until Morgan went down). Seward flailed a bit when he had to play MLB a couple games. I don't think they ever envisioned him as anything but a backup and ST player. They have some holes to fill, LB isn't high on that list, I bet they let him walk for the pick.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

Re: Pats to host LB tomorrow

He means Boss Bailey from the Lions.

Boss is a broke back now...

 

[OsloRhino]

Re: Pats to host ILB Adam Seward tomorrow

Rumor floating around Boston as we speak is that BB has made it very clear to Seward that he's in his plans for next year if he signs.

The one thing that he has, is speed. God knows we need it.

 

[Rossmci90]

Re: Pats to host ILB Adam Seward tomorrow

Rumor floating around Boston as we speak is that BB has made it very clear to Seward that he's in his plans for next year if he signs.

The one thing that he has, is speed. God knows we need it.

Definetly need speed.

At the end of the day, a 5th round pick becoming successful is as likely as Seward doing so.

 

[Patjew]

Re: Pats to host ILB Adam Seward tomorrow

1. Can we change this thread to "" Pats to host ILB Adam Seward yesterday".

2. So are they going to sign this fool or what?

 

[PatsFan37]

Re: Pats to host ILB Adam Seward tomorrow

If they don't sign him, they saw something they didn't like either in the interview or a medical report.

If they sign him, they're rolling the dice again on an ILB, and I'm all for it. The naysayers will argue Beisel and Chad Brown and Starks. The believers will argue Vrabel and Welker.

There's skill in scouting these guys, no question, but there's a huge element of luck. Every year you stand there with the dice in your pocket, Bruschi and Seau get older.