If you were Bill, the first 3 things you would do this offseason are...?

[jmt57]

This article notes the last 5 years were horrid. What do you think happened ?

It actually shows the 2015 and 2016 drafts were exceptional and near the top of the league with the 5 year stretch as being slightly above league average. It does show the last 3 have been poor with the 2017 being notably terrible.

I found the charts to be interesting, if for no other reason than we finally have something to quantify how one team performed versus others in the draft. Far more useful than the anecdotal 'could have had this guy', and the typical focus on busts (with no comparison to how well the 31 other 31 teams fared).

NFL Drafting Efficiency, 2010-2019

Guest columnist Benjamin Ellinger breaks down every draft pick in the past 10 years. Did Cleveland's tanking policy pay off? Which teams had the best results in the draft, and which wasted their picks? And is there anything meaningful in this data, or is there really some skill involved? The...

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Below is a lengthy forensic examination of the 2017 draft. For the tl;dr portion of the forum it appears as though it wasn't quite as bad as originally perceived when you take into consideration the productivity from veterans that the Patriots received in exchange for draft capital. The two third round picks (Derek Rivers, Antonio Garcia) definitely hurt - as did the two fourths (Deatrich Wise, and the one heisted by Goodell over psi). Some of the poor draft results can be attributed to parting with draft capital in exchange for veterans, based on Tom Brady turning 40 before the season would begin that year.



Going back to that low rated 2017 draft, it began with the Patriots trading their #32 pick for Brandin Cooks. While Cooks was in Foxboro for one season, his 1,182 yards and seven TD don't get figured into the Draft Performance Formula. And the Pats got most of what they traded away back when Cooks was traded to the Rams.

In the second round the Pats moved down eight spots for Kony Ealy, which at the time everybody thought was a good value. Then they traded down again, for a third and a fourth. This is where the picks that did not work out begins, with the selection of Derek Rivers. Then the Pats sent a 3rd and 4th to Detroit, trading up from #96 and #124 to #85 - and picking Troy State OT Antonio Garcia. His health issues had a domino effect: it had already cost the Pats two draft picks (the trade up), and now the team would have to use another pick the following year at that position. (Isaiah Wynn, with the first round pick acquired by trading Cooks - that could have been used elsewhere).

Back to 2017. The Patriots own third round pick (#96) had been used to trade up for Garcia. The Pats also had a compensatory third (#103, from Cleveland in exchange for Jamie Collins), but that was traded away as part of the acquisition of Cooks. The Saints and Pats had swapped places in that deal, #103 for #118 - but the NFL stole that pick away when they failed to acknowledge the Ideal Gas Law, choosing a set up witch hunt over science.

Next was the second part of what the Pats received in the Kony Ealy trade. The Pats received #72 from the Panthers, and turned that into #83 (Rivers) and #124. Problem is that #124 was gone as it had been used to trade up - for Garcia.

The next move was a trade with Seattle, trading up from the fifth to fourth (#131) and selecting Deatrich Wise. Fortunately it didn't cost much, just an exchange of seventh round picks. The Pats own fourth round pick (#137) had been traded to the Colts for TE Dwayne Allen.

The Pats had acquired a fifth round pick (#163) when they traded TE AJ Derby to the Broncos; they used that pick to obtain RFA RB Mike Gillislee from Buffalo. Their own fifth (#175) was used in a trade with Cleveland for special teamer and backup LB Barkevious Mingo. A fifth round compensatory (#183) was traded to KC for TE James O'Shaughnessy.

A sixth round pick acquired as part of the Dwayne Allen trade had been traded away earlier. The Pats moved up five spots from #216 (acquired in the O'Shaughnessy trade) to #211 to draft Conor McDermott, costing them only a seventh (#239). The Patriots also traded their own sixth (#215) to Detroit for Kyle Van Noy. Their seventh rounder (#250) was traded to Detroit for TE Michael Williams.


If you look at what the Patriots did with their draft capital, their 2017 draft went something like this:

• 1.) Brandin Cooks (later traded for Isaiah Wynn)
• 2.) Kony Ealy/Antonio Garcia
• 3.) Derek Rivers
• 4.) Deatrich Wise
• 4.) Dwayne Allen
• 5.) Mike Gillislee
• 5.) Barkevious Mingo
• 5.) James O'Shaughnessy
• 6.) Conor McDermott
• 6.) Kyle Van Noy
• 7.) Michael Williams

 

[micronin127]

If I were Bill, the first 3 things that I would do:
1. Sign Leonard Williams
2. Sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
3. Sign Hunter Henry

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I found the charts to be interesting, if for no other reason than we finally have something to quantify how one team performed versus others in the draft. Far more useful than the anecdotal 'could have had this guy', and the typical focus on busts (with no comparison to how well the 31 other 31 teams fared).

NFL Drafting Efficiency, 2010-2019

Guest columnist Benjamin Ellinger breaks down every draft pick in the past 10 years. Did Cleveland's tanking policy pay off? Which teams had the best results in the draft, and which wasted their picks? And is there anything meaningful in this data, or is there really some skill involved? The...

www.footballoutsiders.com

Below is a lengthy forensic examination of the 2017 draft. For the tl;dr portion of the forum it appears as though it wasn't quite as bad as originally perceived when you take into consideration the productivity from veterans that the Patriots received in exchange for draft capital. The two third round picks (Derek Rivers, Antonio Garcia) definitely hurt - as did the two fourths (Deatrich Wise, and the one heisted by Goodell over psi). Some of the poor draft results can be attributed to parting with draft capital in exchange for veterans, based on Tom Brady turning 40 before the season would begin that year.



Going back to that low rated 2017 draft, it began with the Patriots trading their #32 pick for Brandin Cooks. While Cooks was in Foxboro for one season, his 1,182 yards and seven TD don't get figured into the Draft Performance Formula. And the Pats got most of what they traded away back when Cooks was traded to the Rams.

In the second round the Pats moved down eight spots for Kony Ealy, which at the time everybody thought was a good value. Then they traded down again, for a third and a fourth. This is where the picks that did not work out begins, with the selection of Derek Rivers. Then the Pats sent a 3rd and 4th to Detroit, trading up from #96 and #124 to #85 - and picking Troy State OT Antonio Garcia. His health issues had a domino effect: it had already cost the Pats two draft picks (the trade up), and now the team would have to use another pick the following year at that position. (Isaiah Wynn, with the first round pick acquired by trading Cooks - that could have been used elsewhere).

Back to 2017. The Patriots own third round pick (#96) had been used to trade up for Garcia. The Pats also had a compensatory third (#103, from Cleveland in exchange for Jamie Collins), but that was traded away as part of the acquisition of Cooks. The Saints and Pats had swapped places in that deal, #103 for #118 - but the NFL stole that pick away when they failed to acknowledge the Ideal Gas Law, choosing a set up witch hunt over science.

Next was the second part of what the Pats received in the Kony Ealy trade. The Pats received #72 from the Panthers, and turned that into #83 (Rivers) and #124. Problem is that #124 was gone as it had been used to trade up - for Garcia.

The next move was a trade with Seattle, trading up from the fifth to fourth (#131) and selecting Deatrich Wise. Fortunately it didn't cost much, just an exchange of seventh round picks. The Pats own fourth round pick (#137) had been traded to the Colts for TE Dwayne Allen.

The Pats had acquired a fifth round pick (#163) when they traded TE AJ Derby to the Broncos; they used that pick to obtain RFA RB Mike Gillislee from Buffalo. Their own fifth (#175) was used in a trade with Cleveland for special teamer and backup LB Barkevious Mingo. A fifth round compensatory (#183) was traded to KC for TE James O'Shaughnessy.

A sixth round pick acquired as part of the Dwayne Allen trade had been traded away earlier. The Pats moved up five spots from #216 (acquired in the O'Shaughnessy trade) to #211 to draft Conor McDermott, costing them only a seventh (#239). The Patriots also traded their own sixth (#215) to Detroit for Kyle Van Noy. Their seventh rounder (#250) was traded to Detroit for TE Michael Williams.


If you look at what the Patriots did with their draft capital, their 2017 draft went something like this:

• 1.) Brandin Cooks (later traded for Isaiah Wynn)
• 2.) Kony Ealy/Antonio Garcia
• 3.) Derek Rivers
• 4.) Deatrich Wise
• 4.) Dwayne Allen
• 5.) Mike Gillislee
• 5.) Barkevious Mingo
• 5.) James O'Shaughnessy
• 6.) Conor McDermott
• 6.) Kyle Van Noy
• 7.) Michael Williams

Excellent analysis. Would this draft be considered good? The last 5 years still looks not fantastic...

 

[jmt57]

Excellent analysis. Would this draft be considered good? The last 5 years still looks not fantastic...

I still don't think that draft was good, even after taking into consideration that (a) the Pats were picking #32, (b) the team had a draft pick stolen from them by Goodell, and (c) the production of veterans (Cooks, Van Noy, etc.) acquired in draft trades was a partial offset.

I just don't think that draft was as horrible as it appears to be at first glance, after digging deeper. Some of those trades did play a part in winning the AFC Championship in 2017, and the Super Bowl against the Rams a year later.

Unfortunately on the flip side the Patriots have literally nothing to show for it, other than Wise and a probable fourth round compensatory pick in the upcoming draft for Van Noy.

Agreed, no matter how you slice it the last five drafts have not been stellar.

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart | Over the Cap

Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart | Over the Cap

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[mgteich]

The market this year will be lower.

That doesn't mean that Belichick will change his basic strategy of rarely paying top dollar. Sure, we might see 2 top players, but I think that this is the most we might expect.

It seems likely that a 2 year QB will cost $40M/2. We can spread the cap effect some if we wish, with a fake 3rd year. I do expect a WR and a TE. That's a lot, given how many of our own free agents that we need to sign or replace.

Sure, if some players leave, we can replace them using the cap cash savings. I'm thinking Hightower, Edxelman, Chung and Cannon.
===============
We still will re-sign or sign a replacement for

DEFENSE
1) Jackson
2) Butler
3) Wise
4) Simon
5) Jmac
Not all of these will take lots of cap money, but they will take some.

OFFENSE
6) Thuney
7) Andrews
8) White or Burkhead
9) Eluemunor
10) Byrd

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If I were Bill, the first 3 things that I would do:
1. Sign Leonard Williams
2. Sign Ryan Fitzpatrick
3. Sign Hunter Henry

Williams had a nice season on a bad defense. I think the giants got all the Jete out of him!

he would make a great addition.

 

[jmt57]

@DropKickFlutie - here's another (hopefully not too long) look back at what happened the previous year, 2016.
The effect of the first round pick cannot be understated enough.

First round, what should have been #29: stolen by Roger Goodell, with help from Ted Wells, Ryan Grigson, Troy Vincent and others.

How much that hurt cannot be downplayed. The Draft Value Chart shows a #29 pick to be worth 640 points. The combined value of all that team's other picks is less than that amount, 514 points! This isn't a case of 'just losing one pick'; the Patriots were robbed of more than half their 2016 draft capital.

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2nd round, #60 (own pick): CB Cyrus Jones
Yes, a bust - but not the only one; Eli Apple (10), Vernon Hargreaves (11) and Mackensie Alexander (54) were all CBs taken earlier that flopped more dramatically. From what records I can find Jones at #60 was a very minor reach. Unfortunately the CB taken two picks later (James Bradberry) would have been the right choice.

2nd round, #61: acquired with Jonathan Cooper for Chandler Jones.
The Pats then traded down for a 3rd (#78) and 4th (#112).

3rd round, #78 (see above)
Patriots recover from a bad Jones-Cooper trade by drafting Joe Thuney.

3rd round, #91 (own pick): Jacoby Brissett
Insurance/backup for a then 39 year old TB12; didn't get much production in return when traded at start of 2017 season (WR Phillip Dorsett).

3rd round compensatory (for Darrelle Revis), #96: Vincent Valentine
I thought he showed promise as a rookie, backing up Alan Branch and Malcom Brown. Never the same after the early 2017 injury.
One draft board I found had Valentine ranked 234, and another ranked him at 225; a third didn't list him in their top 300.

4th round, #112 (see Jones-Cooper trade); WR Malcom Mitchell
Mitchell tore his ACL resulting in a redshirt 2013, and missing much of 2014. He seemed to be fine as a senior in 2015, but another knee injury in 2017 effectively ended his career after a promising rookie season. Some say the knee issue should have been a red flag, but it didn't seem to impede him his senior year. The three links above had Mitchell ranked 91, 65 and 67, so I'm not buying the draft hindsight on him.

4th round, #127 (own pick): traded to Chicago for TE Martellus Bennett and a sixth (#204).
Good value with that trade.

5th round, #147: The Pats traded away two 6ths (#196, #204) plus a 7th (#250) to Miami for this pick. Based on what happened next I am going to assume the Pats were going to take OLB Matt Judon, who was just named to his second Pro Bowl. After Baltimore selected Judon one pick earlier at #146, the Patriots traded down with Seattle for a 6th (#225) and a 2017 4th (Deatrich Wise).

5th round, #166 (own pick): traded to Houston for WR Keshawn Martin and a 6th (#196).

6th round, #196 (from above): used in the 5th round debacle (see #147).

6th round, #204 Part 1: traded to Chicago for LB Jon Bostic.

6th round, #204 Part 2: traded back to Pats along with Martellus Bennett in that trade (see #127).

6th round, #204 Part 3: traded away to Miami as part of moving up in the the 5th round (see #147).

6th round, #208 (compensatory for Vince Wilfork): LB Kamu Grugier-Hill.

6th round, #214 (compensatory for Shane Vereen): LB Elandon Roberts.
Roberts' departure was canceled out in the 2020 compensatory formula by the signing of Damiere Byrd.

6th round, #221 (compensatory for Akeem Ayers): OL Ted Karras.
Karras' departure was canceled out in the 2020 compensatory formula by the signing of Beau Allen.

7th round, #225 (from Seattle, see #147): WR Devin Lucien.

7th round, #243 (acquired from Houston in trade for Ryan Mallett): used in trade with Seattle (see #147).

7th round, #250 (own pick): used in trade with Miami (see #147).


Net rookie/veteran result of 2016 draft:

• 1st round: Stolen by Goodell
• 2nd round: CB Cyrus Jones
• 3rd round: OL Joe Thuney
• 3rd round: QB Jacoby Brissett
• 3rd round: DL Vincent Valentine
• 4th round: WR Malcolm Mitchell
• 4th round: TE Martellus Bennett
• 5th round: 2017 Deatrich Wise
• 5th round: WR Keshawn Martin
• 6th round: LB Jon Bostic
• 6th round: LB Kamu Grugier-Hill
• 6th round: LB Elandon Roberts
• 6th round: OL Ted Karras
• 7th round: WR Devin Lucien

If you want to re-order that draft one could do this (teams average eight picks per draft):

1. (fill in the blank for another player lost due to psi-gate)
2. Joe Thuney
3. Elandon Roberts
4. Martellus Bennett
5. Ted Karras
6. Jacoby Brissett/Philip Dorsett
7. Malcolm Mitchell
8. Deatrich Wise
9. Jon Bostic or Vincent Valentine

Not a particularly good draft even when looking at it from this angle due to too many one year contributions, but again - the loss of that number one draft pick had a massive effect, and was an egregious dereliction of power. A decent first round pick plus Thuney would by itself have made this a great draft.

 

[PatriotSpy]

1st thing should be to pluck either easton stick from the chargers or gardner minshew from the jaguars.

 

[Ring 6]

Players have a choice. for 20 years, lots of players wanted to play for the patriots, now, not so much,

Says who?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

@DropKickFlutie - here's another (hopefully not too long) look back at what happened the previous year, 2016.
The effect of the first round pick cannot be understated enough.

First round, what should have been #29: stolen by Roger Goodell, with help from Ted Wells, Ryan Grigson, Troy Vincent and others.

How much that hurt cannot be downplayed. The Draft Value Chart shows a #29 pick to be worth 640 points. The combined value of all that team's other picks is less than half that amount, 514 points!

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2nd round, #60 (own pick): CB Cyrus Jones
Yes, a bust - but not the only one; Eli Apple (10), Vernon Hargreaves (11) and Mackensie Alexander (54) were all CBs taken earlier that flopped more dramatically. From what records I can find Jones at #60 was a very minor reach. Unfortunately the CB taken two picks later (James Bradberry) would have been the right choice.

2nd round, #61: acquired with Jonathan Cooper for Chandler Jones.
The Pats traded down for a 3rd (#78) and 4th (#112).

3rd round, #78 (see above)
Patriots recoup a bit from the Jones-Cooper trade by drafting Joe Thuney.

3rd round, #91 (own pick): Jacoby Brissett
Insurance/backup for a then 39 year old TB12; didn't get much production in return when traded at start of 2017 season (WR Phillip Dorsett).

3rd round compensatory (for Darrelle Revis), #96: Vincent Valentine
I thought he showed promise as a rookie, backing up Alan Branch and Malcom Brown. Never the same after the early 2017 injury.
One draft board I found had Valentine ranked 234, and another ranked him at 225; a third didn't list him in their top 300.

4th round, #112 (see Jones-Cooper trade); WR Malcom Mitchell
Mitchell tore his ACL resulting in a redshirt 2013, and missing much of 2014. He seemed to be fine as a senior in 2015, but another knee injury in 2017 effectively ended his career after a promising rookie season. Some say the knee issue should have been a red flag, but it didn't seem to impede him his senior year. The three links above had Mitchell ranked 91, 65 and 67, so I'm not buying the draft hindsight on him.

4th round, #127 (own pick): traded to Chicago for TE Martellus Bennett and a sixth (#204).
Good value with that trade.

5th round, #147: The Pats traded away two 6ths (#196, #204) plus a 7th (#250) to Miami for this pick. Based on what happened next I am going to assume the Pats were going to take OLB/DE Matt Judon, who was just named to his second Pro Bowl. After Baltimore selected Judon one pick earlier at #146, the Patriots traded down with Seattle for a 6th (#225) and a 2017 4th (Deatrich Wise).

5th round, #166 (own pick): traded to Houston for WR Keshawn Martin and a 6th (#196).

6th round, #196 (from above): used in the 5th round debacle (see #147).

6th round, #204 Part 1: traded to Chicago for LB Jon Bostic.

6th round, #204 Part 2: traded back to Pats along with Martellus Bennett in that trade (see #127).

6th round, #204 Part 3: traded away to Miami as part of moving up in the the 5th round (see #147).

6th round, #208 (compensatory for Vince Wilfork): LB Kamu Grugier-Hill.

6th round, #214 (compensatory for Shane Vereen): LB Elandon Roberts.
Roberts' departure was canceled out in the 2020 compensatory formula by the signing of Damiere Byrd.

6th round, #221 (compensatory for Akeem Ayers): OL Ted Karras.
Karras' departure was canceled out in the 2020 compensatory formula by the signing of Beau Allen.

7th round, #225 (from Seattle, see #147): WR Devin Lucien.

7th round, #243 (acquired from Houston in trade for Ryan Mallett): used in trade with Seattle (see #147).

7th round, #250 (own pick): used in trade with Miami (see #147).


Net rookie/veteran result of 2016 draft:

• 1st round: Stolen by Goodell
• 2nd round: CB Cyrus Jones
• 3rd round: OL Joe Thuney
• 3rd round: QB Jacoby Brissett
• 3rd round: DL Vincent Valentine
• 4th round: WR Malcolm Mitchell
• 4th round: TE Martellus Bennett
• 5th round: 2017 Deatrich Wise
• 5th round: WR Keshawn Martin
• 6th round: LB Jon Bostic
• 6th round: LB Kamu Grugier-Hill
• 6th round: LB Elandon Roberts
• 6th round: OL Ted Karras
• 7th round: WR Devin Lucien

If you want to re-order that draft one could do this (teams average eight picks per draft):

1. (fill in the blank for another player lost due to psi-gate)
2. Joe Thuney
3. Elandon Roberts
4. Martellus Bennett
5. Ted Karras
6. Jacoby Brissett/Philip Dorsett
7. Malcolm Mitchell
8. Deatrich Wise
9. Jon Bostic or Vincent Valentine

Not a good draft even when looking at it from this angle due to too many one year contributions, but again - the loss of that number one draft pick had a massive effect, and was an egregious dereliction of power.

Agree completely. That stolen 1st round pick was devastating. The league is always trying to take down the Pats. I knew the moment AB was signed that some "news" about the guy would surface. People were freaking out in 2019 when we had an all time defense and offense with AB in the first month. Still bizarre to me how the second half of the season fell off so badly compared to the first half.

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[IcyPatriot]

1. Get new WR scouts
2. Give Cam a bag and tell him to clean out his locker
3. Fire McDaniels

#2 then #1 ... did you think #3 when sinning Super Bowls? Doubt it ... this forum has become barf worthy with stupidity ...

 

[stcjones]

1. Take “Nike” out for a long walk, and prep him for draft
2. Fire up the engines on VIII Rings and get it ready for Florida fishing
3. Propose to Linda

 

[stcjones]

1.Fire McDaniels
2. Fire McDaniels
3. Fire McDaniels

 

[DarrylS]

1. Tell Josh he needs to get a tad more creative on Offense, if he cannot dump him
2. Draft or sign a better QB
3. Sign a viable TE, quality WR and upgrade the Offense

 

[TomPatriot]

@DropKickFlutie - here's another (hopefully not too long) look back at what happened the previous year, 2016.
The effect of the first round pick cannot be understated enough.

First round, what should have been #29: stolen by Roger Goodell, with help from Ted Wells, Ryan Grigson, Troy Vincent and others.

How much that hurt cannot be downplayed. The Draft Value Chart shows a #29 pick to be worth 640 points. The combined value of all that team's other picks is less than half that amount, 514 points!

The 10 things that still bother me about #DeflateGate

Nearly 20 months after the football-following world became aware of the phenomenon known as #DeflateGate, the most tangible effect arrives tonight, when Patriots quarterback Tom Brady misses a game because of it.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

2nd round, #60 (own pick): CB Cyrus Jones
Yes, a bust - but not the only one; Eli Apple (10), Vernon Hargreaves (11) and Mackensie Alexander (54) were all CBs taken earlier that flopped more dramatically. From what records I can find Jones at #60 was a very minor reach. Unfortunately the CB taken two picks later (James Bradberry) would have been the right choice.

2nd round, #61: acquired with Jonathan Cooper for Chandler Jones.
The Pats traded down for a 3rd (#78) and 4th (#112).

3rd round, #78 (see above)
Patriots recoup a bit from the Jones-Cooper trade by drafting Joe Thuney.

3rd round, #91 (own pick): Jacoby Brissett
Insurance/backup for a then 39 year old TB12; didn't get much production in return when traded at start of 2017 season (WR Phillip Dorsett).

3rd round compensatory (for Darrelle Revis), #96: Vincent Valentine
I thought he showed promise as a rookie, backing up Alan Branch and Malcom Brown. Never the same after the early 2017 injury.
One draft board I found had Valentine ranked 234, and another ranked him at 225; a third didn't list him in their top 300.

4th round, #112 (see Jones-Cooper trade); WR Malcom Mitchell
Mitchell tore his ACL resulting in a redshirt 2013, and missing much of 2014. He seemed to be fine as a senior in 2015, but another knee injury in 2017 effectively ended his career after a promising rookie season. Some say the knee issue should have been a red flag, but it didn't seem to impede him his senior year. The three links above had Mitchell ranked 91, 65 and 67, so I'm not buying the draft hindsight on him.

4th round, #127 (own pick): traded to Chicago for TE Martellus Bennett and a sixth (#204).
Good value with that trade.

5th round, #147: The Pats traded away two 6ths (#196, #204) plus a 7th (#250) to Miami for this pick. Based on what happened next I am going to assume the Pats were going to take OLB Matt Judon, who was just named to his second Pro Bowl. After Baltimore selected Judon one pick earlier at #146, the Patriots traded down with Seattle for a 6th (#225) and a 2017 4th (Deatrich Wise).

5th round, #166 (own pick): traded to Houston for WR Keshawn Martin and a 6th (#196).

6th round, #196 (from above): used in the 5th round debacle (see #147).

6th round, #204 Part 1: traded to Chicago for LB Jon Bostic.

6th round, #204 Part 2: traded back to Pats along with Martellus Bennett in that trade (see #127).

6th round, #204 Part 3: traded away to Miami as part of moving up in the the 5th round (see #147).

6th round, #208 (compensatory for Vince Wilfork): LB Kamu Grugier-Hill.

6th round, #214 (compensatory for Shane Vereen): LB Elandon Roberts.
Roberts' departure was canceled out in the 2020 compensatory formula by the signing of Damiere Byrd.

6th round, #221 (compensatory for Akeem Ayers): OL Ted Karras.
Karras' departure was canceled out in the 2020 compensatory formula by the signing of Beau Allen.

7th round, #225 (from Seattle, see #147): WR Devin Lucien.

7th round, #243 (acquired from Houston in trade for Ryan Mallett): used in trade with Seattle (see #147).

7th round, #250 (own pick): used in trade with Miami (see #147).


Net rookie/veteran result of 2016 draft:

• 1st round: Stolen by Goodell
• 2nd round: CB Cyrus Jones
• 3rd round: OL Joe Thuney
• 3rd round: QB Jacoby Brissett
• 3rd round: DL Vincent Valentine
• 4th round: WR Malcolm Mitchell
• 4th round: TE Martellus Bennett
• 5th round: 2017 Deatrich Wise
• 5th round: WR Keshawn Martin
• 6th round: LB Jon Bostic
• 6th round: LB Kamu Grugier-Hill
• 6th round: LB Elandon Roberts
• 6th round: OL Ted Karras
• 7th round: WR Devin Lucien

If you want to re-order that draft one could do this (teams average eight picks per draft):

1. (fill in the blank for another player lost due to psi-gate)
2. Joe Thuney
3. Elandon Roberts
4. Martellus Bennett
5. Ted Karras
6. Jacoby Brissett/Philip Dorsett
7. Malcolm Mitchell
8. Deatrich Wise
9. Jon Bostic or Vincent Valentine

Not a good draft even when looking at it from this angle due to too many one year contributions, but again - the loss of that number one draft pick had a massive effect, and was an egregious dereliction of power.

Excellent with one tiny moan. Any draft with Joe Thuney has to be a good draft; he’s the best OG they’ve ever had, on par with Hannah, better than Mankins. Mitchell, Kruger-Hill, Brissett and Roberts were also productive players.

Re-reading Florio’s article just made me angry again. I had forgotten about the equipment fine mentioned by Judge Katzmann. Fwiw, there’s a pretty good chance he was the smartest person in that courtroom that day.

 

[Thelonious]

1) Get rid of Cam. Get the nonsense about bringing him back off the gd table.
2) Empower SOMEBODY to fill the obvious gaps in his own abilities as GM. If he doesn't do it himself, the Krafts should force him to.
3) Consider seriously whether his son(s) are actually up to the job.

 

[50-yard-line]

This article notes the last 5 years were horrid. What do you think happened ?

Just a guess: They were trying to plug roles in the current roster instead of building for the future. An RB had to be a great blocker. A CB had to bring a different fit, size-wise.

They took boom or bust health chances like Easley.

They traded a lot of picks for immediate veteran impact.

They had some picks stolen by the NYFL.

I think this is what BB was referring to when he said they went all in and now were paying for it. Also makes me think he's got something to prove and will stick around a few more years.

 

[1960Pats]

1. Dump Cant Newton yesterday.
2. Write a weekly column (I was going to say daily but it would be too much) with a Q&A on Pats fans.
3. Invite 1960Pats and 6 friends to a round of golf and dinner at his place afterwards. Make sure Linda is there.

 

[RIpats88]

I hope this failure of a season and watching brady have success and the media piling on Bill motivates him to go out and be aggressive and have a really good off-season. I don't think Bill wants to tank 2 years in a row while brady dominates and the questions creep in

Like in 2007 after the trash we had at wide receiver he went out and got Moss and Welker.

 

[archstanton543]

I hope this failure of a season and watching brady have success and the media piling on Bill motivates him to go out and be aggressive and have a really good off-season. I don't think Bill wants to tank 2 years in a row while brady dominates and the questions creep in

Like in 2007 after the trash we had at wide receiver he went out and got Moss and Welker.

The only problem with that comparison is that we had Tom Brady on the team. If we pick up two legit NFL WR's who plays QB? Also, we didn't win anything with with Moss and Welker (just sayin').