If PSU gets the Death Penalty What Happens to O'Brien?

[patsfaninpa]

The Dez Bryant thing might be a bit different, his mom is on probation and went to prison for selling crack.

Ok to hit your mom if she's on probation for selling crack?? Interesting take on things.

 

[mgteich]

Comparing going to another team for more money to enabling child rape is ridiculous.

The student athletes are not being punished? Many scholarships were taken away from Penn State football. Also the $60M taken away will not be able to be used for scholarships and funding of other sports teams. Additionally, one would expect revenue to be down over the next few years reducing the amount available to support other sports teams.

I want to comment on this last point. Punishing the coach under whom the violations occurred is something on which the NCAA and the relevant professional leagues should indeed collaborate, With Paterno dead, the point is moot, but in the case of old friends Pete Carroll or John Calipari, the NCAA and the NFL or NBA respectively should agree on multiple year band from coaching equal to at least the term of probation or sanctions levied by the NCAA.

Pete Carroll trotted off to the Seattle Seahawks for more money while USC took a huge hit for his transgressions. These leagues are inextricably linked through the draft and can collaborate on coaching employment conditions as well.

As to the last sentence in Patfanken's post, the NCAA is not punishing the next coach. It is "punishing" the institution and its Board that looked the other way while young boys were raped by a grown man on their premises for more than a decade.

Bill O'Brien is a voluntary employee, is being paid $2.3 million in year one with escalators and incentives. Inside Bill O'Brien's Penn State contract - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

"Punishing" Bill O'Brien is a relative term at over $2 million per year and if the guy wanted to walk, I'm sure the Board and Acting AD would accommodate him. They are not exactly in much of a position to play hardball with a guy who agreed to take on the task of mopping up the mess.

The student athletes in the PSU football program are not being punished either. They are getting a free education whether they play or not, and being given complete freedom to attend another school without sacrificing a minute of eligibility.

Stay tuned. The US Department of Education is investigating this travesty, and there are three criminal trials to go for Curley, Shultz and Spanier. And we haven't even seen the first salvo in the civil suits.

If just one of those guys had dialed 9-1-1. Spanier, Shultz, Curley and Paterno all had the opportunity to do the first thing any junior high principal would have known to do if he or she was told a football coach was molesting a boy on campus.

Those guys weren't qualified to run a day care.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

"I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment

 

[Huckleberry1]

"I HOPE U ALL ****** DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment

Reading that was like tailgating with Jets fans.


That reminds me, years ago I went to see the jets and Patriots play at Gillette. While tailgating before the game we watched some jet fans stand by their jet fan automobile and burn a Patriots flag. After the game we went back and tailgated again, and when the parking lot really started to clear out we looked over and lo and behold, a jet fan automobile with 4 flat tires and 5 confused jet fans around it.

Go figure?

 

[lurker1965]

Ok to hit your mom if she's on probation for selling crack?? Interesting take on things.

Hey, don't hate on Dez! Da biatch wuz holing out on him.

 

[TyronePoole]

BOB for life apparently now

Penn State Nittany Lions -- Bill O'Brien's deal extended with NCAA sanctions - ESPN

Bill O'Brien's contract with Penn State automatically was extended four years through 2020 when the NCAA handed down unprecedented sanctions against the embattled football program.

A clause in the contract, obtained Wednesday by ESPN's Joe Schad, triggered when Penn State received its four-year bowl ban as part of the sanctions announced Monday in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

“
Any sanction by the NCAA of a) loss of scholarships or b) bowl eligibility due to the actions of the previous staff or lack of institutional control prior to 2012 will immediately result in an automatic extension of coach's contract at 2016 total compensation and bonus package in years equal to the number of years of the sanctions.
”
-- Addendum to Penn State coach

Bill O'Brien's contract
O'Brien was asked on several ESPN platforms Wednesday about escaping his contract, but instead reiterated his commitment to the school and noted he had a clause to add more years if penalties were issued.

O'Brien will receive 2016 compensation in 2017-20 per the terms of an addendum to the agreement, which he and acting athletic director Dave Joyner both signed.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

And according to this piece the NCAA contemplated a 4 year death penalty before settling for the fines and loss of scholarships and bowl games penalty.

O'Brien's contract gets extended at Penn State | National Football Post

 

[Avenger]

Ok to hit your mom if she's on probation for selling crack?? Interesting take on things.

that's not what I said, we really have no idea what went on. You have to take into account the credibility of the accuser.

 

[patsfaninpa]

that's not what I said, we really have no idea what went on. You have to take into account the credibility of the accuser.

OK. I'll play. When is it ok to hit your mom? You must think there are times you can. Because, it sounds as if it's ok depending on what's going on. Especially, since she was
arrested previously for selling crack.

 

[TyronePoole]

I never saw this before, from 2008, really interesting in hindsight. Not a good look all around.

Penn State Scandal - YouTube

 

[goheels22002]

I never saw this before, from 2008, really interesting in hindsight. Not a good look all around.

Penn State Scandal - YouTube

Great find. Interesting ESPN piece, but not entirely alarming. 46 players arrested for 163 violations over seven years means you have six to seven players getting arrested every year out of what, 90 to 100 players? The graduation rate of 72% ranked 12th in the NCAA BCS division so that is better than average, too. Any of the big-time programs have similar issues, if not much worse.

Paterno's immediate reaction to call it a "witch-hunt" in the first quote was a little odd and defensive, but that looked like some editing to get the controversy up-front in the story.

This reminded me of why the NCAA nailed the football program so hard - to send a message to other places to keep their houses in order and know what is going on in their buildings and among their players and staffs.

 

[mgteich]

So 7 Detroit Lions are arrested and they are the laughing stock of professional sports, and Penn State does this every year for 7 years and it is normal? At very best, 7 arrests a year shows a remarkable lack of team discipline. In the nil, we would say that the team simple doesn't care about what happens off the field, the old Oakland Raiders mentality. That's fine, but it isn't the Penn State image.

Great find. Interesting ESPN piece, but not entirely alarming. 46 players arrested for 163 violations over seven years means you have six to seven players getting arrested every year out of what, 90 to 100 players? The graduation rate of 72% ranked 12th in the NCAA BCS division so that is better than average, too. Any of the big-time programs have similar issues, if not much worse.

Paterno's immediate reaction to call it a "witch-hunt" in the first quote was a little odd and defensive, but that looked like some editing to get the controversy up-front in the story.

This reminded me of why the NCAA nailed the football program so hard - to send a message to other places to keep their houses in order and know what is going on in their buildings and among their players and staffs.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I never saw this before, from 2008, really interesting in hindsight. Not a good look all around.

Penn State Scandal - YouTube

Dovetails perfectly with this The woman who stood up to Joe Paterno - CNN.com

The administrator who was brought in to clean up Joe's growing disciplinary problems in 2003 and was gone after the apartment incident in 2007 because the team was winning again and no one wanted bad press let alone to butt heads with Joe once the record rebounded... Same reason Sandusky got away with his behavior...

 

[crew1954]

Dottie Sandusky stands by her man:

Dottie Sandusky, Jerry Sandusky's Wife, Says She Still Loves Him

Is she in denial or worried about possible charges herself?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Bedard retweeted this PA (steelers reporter) reporters tweets about what BoB is saying. Sounds like he is getting some advice from the guy who grew up around Annapolis about what he needs to do with the hand he's been dealt - find a way to win with committed young men you'd go to war with.

https://twitter.com/ScottBrown_Trib

 

[crew1954]

Guess the Penn State Trustees will not go gentle into that good night:

Penn State Nittany Lions -- Trustees appeal to NCAA, vow federal lawsuit - ESPN

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Guess the Penn State Trustees will not go gentle into that good night:

Penn State Nittany Lions -- Trustees appeal to NCAA, vow federal lawsuit - ESPN

I'll laugh so hard when they lose the appeal, then proceed to file the federal lawsuit and then fail again and the NCAA slams them w. a 4 year death penalty (aka no football for 4 years).

The NCAA is a private institution. Penn St can leave anytime they want to.

 

[ausbacker]

I'll laugh so hard when they lose the appeal, then proceed to file the federal lawsuit and then fail again and the NCAA slams them w. a 4 year death penalty (aka no football for 4 years).

The NCAA is a private institution. Penn St can leave anytime they want to.

Some people don't recognise a good hand when it's dealt to them.

 

[upstater1]

So 7 Detroit Lions are arrested and they are the laughing stock of professional sports, and Penn State does this every year for 7 years and it is normal? At very best, 7 arrests a year shows a remarkable lack of team discipline. In the nil, we would say that the team simple doesn't care about what happens off the field, the old Oakland Raiders mentality. That's fine, but it isn't the Penn State image.

That report was grossly incorrect.

I saw someone that did a study of it way back and half of the violations were on campus alcohol violations, open-beer in the dorm. 7 or 8 cases were thrown out of court. Doesn't mean they didn't happen, but you had things like Rashard Casey's arrest by an off-duty cop (he subsequently sued the cop and won a big settlement) and Paxson stealing a bike (it was his own bike tossed) added to that. ESPN liked that story so much for one reason: PSU was one of 3 schools in the country at the time that had never been on sanctions.

 

[upstater1]

I was at PSU for 3 years. I've been at other d1 BCS schools. When it came to academics and discipline, PSU was easily the strictest. There were rapes covered up at other schools, whereas at PSU, you had EZ Smith dumped off the team for 2 open beer container violations, Curtis Enis dumped for accepting a suit for the Heisman ceremony, Joe Jurevicius dumped for missing a class. Now, those can either be considered displine problems, or the sort of thing that would never even get mentioned at the vast majority of campuses.

You look at U. Washington under Mark Emmert, for instance, and the whole Roc Alexander rape cover-up happened under his leadership, with the head of NCAA doing absolutely nothing to the administrators who covered up rape.