If Brady wins a 5th ring before he retires, how long...

[PatsFanSince74]

I'm talking about post the first three.... from age 27 to 39, he got one.

I still don't see how that can be described as underachieving, as I put it in my comment.

 

[mosey threetupu]

OT: Just listened to Abbey Road a week or two ago. It has to be the greatest album of all time. Even if you didn't agree, you're likely to have it in your top few.

Then you should know that's not how it goes.

 

[BTTA]

It would take a new commissioner, whose main goal is NOT 'parity at all costs.'

Goodell's personal opinions are pretty much irrelevant. He's a spokesperson. You want to change the values system, talk to his boss(es).

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't think the ring changes Brady's intentions one way or the other, he's going to play until he either gets a career ending injury or he can't do the job up to his standards anymore. He could end up with four or seven rings we will just have to watch and enjoy.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I joined the forum before I even joined here and right when I said I was a Patriots fan they started saying and ranting on how I just had to be a troll from here looking to mock their Jets. No matter what I said, that paranoid mindset consumed their logic. After hearing from Jetfan, I'm fine with him, BUT no matter what I said they just ganged up on me and basically bullied me even though "bullying will not he tolerated". I think they proved just how far gone hardcore Jets fans from Gang Green are. I mean, I once read that one user might dump his wife because he learned his wife was a Patriots fan and thus "might" be cheating on him. He said "she knew how much my Jets meant to me!!!"

I mean, that's like hating your kid hecause they become Jets fans. So weird :

The Jets have a special heritage; like the Mets, folks headed out to Shea weren't sticking their noses up in the air and they were seriously passionate about the team.

I think we all should continue to discourage the mindless antipathy that our modern culture reinforces. All the teams in the NFL seem to suffer from ignorant segments of their fans who monopolize time and sound - and are backed by the stupid media.

Us, the Jets, the Bills and even the Dolphins have true, passionate fans and we should back each other up, not be bullied by the media and show that we are the ones to listen to.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

What a silly statement to make on a board read by Bill Russell fans.

I guess it's all about what you cherish, winning or being an icon.

He's talking about modern popular opinion, shaped mostly by media hype.

It's got nothing to do with substance, or reality.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

OT: Just listened to Abbey Road a week or two ago. It has to be the greatest album of all time. Even if you didn't agree, you're likely to have it in your top few.

It was the Fab Four's swan song.

Comparing to, say, basketball: 1969 may not have been the greatest title or team for Russ & the Celtics.

......but it just might be the sweetest

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

OT: Just listened to Abbey Road a week or two ago. It has to be the greatest album of all time. Even if you didn't agree, you're likely to have it in your top few.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

And just for reference I'm 37.

Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm just stating public opinion. My opinion doesn't matter.

If you polled all fans and experts, Brady isn't even the undisputed #1 QB. Let alone the best football player. Actually he'd probably rank an average of #3 QB. And he's obviously still playing, which always sways votes in a current player's favor.

Then add in the fact that football is easily the most "team" of any of the team sports, and a football player will most likely never compete with the top basketball or hockey players for greatest team athlete.

Heck, as of now, I'm pretty sure Belichick would get more votes as greatest coach of all time in any sport.

Realistically there's no way a team has the greatest coach and QB/player of all time while "only" winning 4 or 5 championships.

avg #3? according to whom? brady is consensus top 2 on all boards i go to. and many recent ranking polls i've seen - brady is #1.

in media most have brady #1 surpassing his idol joe montana.


i can understand people preferring montana over brady because of montana's 4-0 record in SB, but who else has any argument? nobody.

and when brady wins his #5 (that's a big if - i know we assume this likely scenario, but anything can happen) then the argument is over IMO.

also brady IMO has a punchers chance to be up there with MJ. we get that MJ was great and he is the greatest, but what happens if brady keeps this up till he is 45? brady's dominance is equally impressive.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

avg #3? according to whom? brady is consensus top 2 on all boards i go to. and many recent ranking polls i've seen - brady is #1.

in media most have brady #1 surpassing his idol joe montana.


i can understand people preferring montana over brady because of montana's 4-0 record in SB, but who else has any argument? nobody.

and when brady wins his #5 (that's a big if - i know we assume this likely scenario, but anything can happen) then the argument is over IMO.

also brady IMO has a punchers chance to be up there with MJ. we get that MJ was great and he is the greatest, but what happens if brady keeps this up till he is 45? brady's dominance is equally impressive.

Anybody seriously think I'd take Michael ahead of any of these guys?
LOL

 

[JetFan79]

Anybody seriously think I'd take Michael ahead of any of these guys?
LOL

 

[JetFan79]

avg #3? according to whom? brady is consensus top 2 on all boards i go to. and many recent ranking polls i've seen - brady is #1.

in media most have brady #1 surpassing his idol joe montana.


i can understand people preferring montana over brady because of montana's 4-0 record in SB, but who else has any argument? nobody.

and when brady wins his #5 (that's a big if - i know we assume this likely scenario, but anything can happen) then the argument is over IMO.

also brady IMO has a punchers chance to be up there with MJ. we get that MJ was great and he is the greatest, but what happens if brady keeps this up till he is 45? brady's dominance is equally impressive.

Remember, I'm not saying that's my opinion. I think ya have to wait a while until after retirement to put things in perspective.

I'm saying public opinion is around #3 or so. Google "top 10 QBs of all time" and look through the lists. NESN obviously had TB as #1, but that was the only one I saw. If you see more, I'm guessing they change results based on IP address.

If I was forced to give my opinion, you guys would tear me to shreads. I'd take into account: coaches, competition, dramatic rule changes in the game, era, physicality of the game, how the team performs when the player is out (suspended) and so on...

Which is why when discussing best evers, I think letting some time pass after retirement allows for putting things in perspective, while also allowing for current hype to die down.

He's obviously a great though.

 

[1960Pats]

Anybody seriously think I'd take Michael ahead of any of these guys?
LOL

Not sure. You were just saying how you understand how people prefer Montana's 4 sb wins in 4 sb's over Brady's 4 wins in 6 sb's, so who knows?

Ask those people if Brady's conference titles count for anything.

You can also ask them about Brady's far superior winning % in the regular season and playoffs.

And don't forget to ask them about Montana's main target using an illegal substance.

 

[1960Pats]

Remember, I'm not saying that's my opinion. I think ya have to wait a while until after retirement to put things in perspective.

I'm saying public opinion is around #3 or so. Google "top 10 QBs of all time" and look through the lists. NESN obviously had TB as #1, but that was the only one I saw. If you see more, I'm guessing they change results based on IP address.

If I was forced to give my opinion, you guys would tear me to shreads. I'd take into account: coaches, competition, dramatic rule changes in the game, era, physicality of the game, how the team performs when the player is out (suspended) and so on...

Which is why when discussing best evers, I think letting some time pass after retirement allows for putting things in perspective, while also allowing for current hype to die down.

He's obviously a great though.

I hope one of your arguments against Brady isn't the fact that the Jets have beaten him 7 times in 29 tries, and once in the playoffs. That might be an excellent argument.

 

[pherein]

Anything's possible. But after BB and Brady retires (i'd give 5 years max), there's no motivation for me to watch the NFL.

I wouldnt give up on them when BB and Brady goes. I know your in a golden age, but we have learned being the worst losers in sports for 40 years that its still your team, and you can have alot of fun making new friends, watching the team develop a new personality, be suprised by new players, etc.
Most of my adult life Ainst were the lauphing stock of sports, but I still remember Tom Dempseys kick, mississippi lateral, Deuce, Dome patrol, and etc. Really great moments. Wasnt fun being made fun of, and knowing it was true, but loved seeing my boys run on the field.
I doubt anyone can do what Tom/Patriots/BB have done again, but you have alot of fun football ahead when they leave. Your motivation should be that they need you, and patriots fans are probably the best I know.

 

[supafly]

Love Price, U2 , and Radiohead.

Moon Shaped Pool is pretty good release.

Of course I did security for a Ratt and Twisted Sister concert so what do I know. Lol.

I liked the new wave movement of the 80s much more than the hair bands, but I've certainly listened to my share. No reason to be embarrassed about that, particularly since there wasn't a ton of other options at the time! I bet you've got some great stories.

"A Moon Shaped Pool" received excellent reviews on a widespread level, as almost every Radiohead release has since OK Computer. That said, I prefer the sound of "In Rainbows" above all else.

Speaking of post-1990 or so, it just doesn't seem like there were nearly as many consistently impressive bands recently as there were in the past, but perhaps that's just my opinion. Like I said, you'd have some solo artists like Michael Jackson, Prince, and the emergence of hip hop. As far as whole bands go I'm hard pressed to find anything besides Radiohead and U2 who you could really say made a difference AND saw widespread, consistent success. I just can't count Pearl Jam due to so much "filler."

 

[Ochmed Jones]

By the end of this year, Brady will have something like 180 plus regular seasons wins. Why would he retire at less than 200?

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Remember, I'm not saying that's my opinion. I think ya have to wait a while until after retirement to put things in perspective.

I'm saying public opinion is around #3 or so. Google "top 10 QBs of all time" and look through the lists. NESN obviously had TB as #1, but that was the only one I saw. If you see more, I'm guessing they change results based on IP address.

If I was forced to give my opinion, you guys would tear me to shreads. I'd take into account: coaches, competition, dramatic rule changes in the game, era, physicality of the game, how the team performs when the player is out (suspended) and so on...

Which is why when discussing best evers, I think letting some time pass after retirement allows for putting things in perspective, while also allowing for current hype to die down.

He's obviously a great though.

your opinion is flat out wrong and outdated. it's rare to see brady outside of top 2 maybe other than Jets boards. go poll in every team boards and brady will easily finish in top 2. if there is an average brady will finish at 1.5. it's pretty much consensus - brady 1a montana 1b. and i start to see more and more

1. brady
2. montana.

yes, we can never have consensus GOAT QB. because some fans will just cling to their heroes. niners fans will always say montana is the greatest. denver will say elway is the greatest. yes there are some people who still have peyton manning over brady.

the best way to poll is to poll on teams that do not have GOATs. and you will see brady ranking top 2.

go poll in footballsfuture.com which i believe is still the most mature football related discussion and see if brady falls behind #2. he won't.


also now many media now has brady as #1. brady used to be #2 pre 4th ring.

brady is #1 here
Ranking the Top 10 quarterbacks in NFL history

brady is #1 here
11 Reasons Why Tom Brady Might Be the Greatest Quarterback Ever

#1 here
Top 10 all-time QBs

# 2 here. poll back in january
POLL: Tom Brady voted 2nd-greatest NFL player of all-time; Manning 3rd

claims brady is the greatest
http://www.gq.com/story/tom-brady-chuck-klosterman-gq-man-of-the-year-2015


In my opinion, brady is #1 too. brady is the greatest because

1. he consistently wins
2. rings
3. clutch
4. longevity
5. playoff success

it's very simple. maybe some random miami homer will claim 'dan marino would've won 10 rings with BB!!' honestly i've heard that before. lol but we don't live in hypotheticals. facts say brady is the most accomplished QB ever for sure, and he is playing at a high level at 39 and probably has 3-5 years of stat padding left in him. 1 more ring would make him clear cut #1 for sure. but even if brady doesn't win more rings he's enough already and anything else is icing on the cake.

 

[JetFan79]

your opinion is flat out wrong and outdated. it's rare to see brady outside of top 2 maybe other than Jets boards. go poll in every team boards and brady will easily finish in top 2. if there is an average brady will finish at 1.5. it's pretty much consensus - brady 1a montana 1b. and i start to see more and more

1. brady
2. montana.

yes, we can never have consensus GOAT QB. because some fans will just cling to their heroes. niners fans will always say montana is the greatest. denver will say elway is the greatest. yes there are some people who still have peyton manning over brady.

the best way to poll is to poll on teams that do not have GOATs. and you will see brady ranking top 2.

go poll in footballsfuture.com which i believe is still the most mature football related discussion and see if brady falls behind #2. he won't.


also now many media now has brady as #1. brady used to be #2 pre 4th ring.

brady is #1 here
Ranking the Top 10 quarterbacks in NFL history

brady is #1 here
11 Reasons Why Tom Brady Might Be the Greatest Quarterback Ever

#1 here
Top 10 all-time QBs

# 2 here. poll back in january
POLL: Tom Brady voted 2nd-greatest NFL player of all-time; Manning 3rd

claims brady is the greatest
Tom Brady Talks to Chuck Klosterman About Deflategate (Sort Of . . .)


In my opinion, brady is #1 too. brady is the greatest because

1. he consistently wins
2. rings
3. clutch
4. longevity
5. playoff success

it's very simple. maybe some random miami homer will claim 'dan marino would've won 10 rings with BB!!' honestly i've heard that before. lol but we don't live in hypotheticals. facts say brady is the most accomplished QB ever for sure, and he is playing at a high level at 39 and probably has 3-5 years of stat padding left in him. 1 more ring would make him clear cut #1 for sure. but even if brady doesn't win more rings he's enough already and anything else is icing on the cake.

OK, as mentioned, I can't really say where he'll all until after he's been retired for a while.

But for the fun of it, what if Tannenbaum drafted Brady to the Jets and Rex was his coach?

 

[wolverinejoe80]

OK, as mentioned, I can't really say where he'll all until after he's been retired for a while.

But for the fun of it, what if Tannenbaum drafted Brady to the Jets and Rex was his coach?

i don't play what if games. what happens montana got drafted by tampa bay bucs? would he win 4 rings? who da hell knows.

you compare players by what they've done in this league. also it's hard to compare era to era, so you compare compare them to their peers and the dominance over the league.

IMO brady dominated the league longer and better than montana. I also have peyton manning over joe montana. IMO peyton manning gets alot of hate/ridicule in this board. but i appreciate peyton manning's football greatness. IMO he is a victim of his own greatness especially in the playoffs.

i don't just look at ring counts. IMO niners were just too loaded. getting through the NFC playoffs were often harder than playing the SB itself. SB was often just too lopsided.