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5. I would like to start seeing Hightower make more of an impression. Did he even play?

The Saints run a lot of 3 WR, and the Pats were putting Talib (and later McCourty) on Graham, so it was pretty much always 3-4 WR in terms of personnel matchups. As a result, the Pats spent most of the game in dime formation. Much like Spikes against the Falcons, it was the Saints' gameplan that was keeping Hightower off the field. If anything, I was surprised that Spikes saw the field as much as he did under those circumstances, especially after getting predictably picked on in coverage.

That said, I assume that Hifhtower will be the one who steps in as the all-day every-down linebacker for as long as Mayo's out, so we should be seeing an awful lot of him in the coming weeks. Makes me wonder who will be on the field in the nickel, too. Will they go with Hightower-Spikes and just live with the obvious deficiencies that that creates in pass coverage, or will they go with Hightower-Collins and rely on the superior athleticism to make up for the rookie mistakes that he's sure to make? I suppose the third option is Hightower-Fletcher, but hopefully it doesn't come to that.
 
The Saints run a lot of 3 WR, and the Pats were putting Talib (and later McCourty) on Graham, so it was pretty much always 3-4 WR in terms of personnel matchups. As a result, the Pats spent most of the game in dime formation. Much like Spikes against the Falcons, it was the Saints' gameplan that was keeping Hightower off the field. If anything, I was surprised that Spikes saw the field as much as he did under those circumstances, especially after getting predictably picked on in coverage.

That said, I assume that Hifhtower will be the one who steps in as the all-day every-down linebacker for as long as Mayo's out, so we should be seeing an awful lot of him in the coming weeks. Makes me wonder who will be on the field in the nickel, too. Will they go with Hightower-Spikes and just live with the obvious deficiencies that that creates in pass coverage, or will they go with Hightower-Collins and rely on the superior athleticism to make up for the rookie mistakes that he's sure to make? I suppose the third option is Hightower-Fletcher, but hopefully it doesn't come to that.
I think my problem with Hightower could be my high expectations. I remember Hightower as being a very explosive player at Alabama. He was an excellent pass rusher as well as being a solid LB. At 270+lbs and good speed, he's an Adaelius Thomas type of player when he was at his best.

So far all I have seen is Hightower being a solid NFL LB who plays the run fairly well, and is decent enough in coverage. BUT to date, I'm hard pressed to recall any "explosive plays", such as rushing the passer, or big tackles behind the LOS.

I'm not saying he hasn't been a decent player, but just not the guy I expected when he was drafted. In my mind he has some rare physical gifts and seems to have his head on straight. I could be just because of the way the Pats are using him. They aren't giving hi8m many opportunities in this defense to make any big plays. (Which, btw, was the biggest reason Thomas became an unhappy camper here, was because of the way he felt he was being used, compared with the style they were playing in Baltimore)

I just hope Ed Werder doesn't read this post because he will extrapolate my observation and the next thing you know, he will be coming out with a big headline, that "Dont'a Hightower is upset at the way he is being used by the Pats defense.....further unsubstantiated speculation to follow"
 
You mentioned Dennard, and I agree, he's been fantastic. But I disagree with upstater, I watched that Stills TD catch a dozen times, and it was simply a fact of Dennard jumping too early, he miss timed his jump, and while coming down he couldn't tip the ball. His one bad play I noticed. DBs do that all the time, the game tying bomb in the Denver/Baltimore playoff game being a perfect example.

The receiver pushed off, so Dennard's leap didn't have the angle and his hand ended up a few inches from where he expected it to be.
 
In the pile of subtle things, I noticed these.

  • Ridley - adds explosiveness to the offense, takes a 5 yeard run and can rip off a 15 yarder
  • Hooman - some big plays from the TE, opens things up outside
  • Brady's deep balls - missing some touch but it is nice to see receiver open down field, it has been a while since we had outside WRs that can press the field
  • Brady has some key scrambles, good to see this. These become difference makes in such a close game

What a day! What a day!
 
Idle thoughts - The WOW edition.


6. There is nothing special about Hooman, but FINALLY Brady decided to throw to him and look at the results, 4 catches almost 60 yds. Nothing that would jump out at you, but a solid day. He should have had numbers like this all year. Its been there, but for some reason Tom refused to take it.

Hooman could get around 60 yards per game if Brady just threw to him more?
60 yards X 16 games = 960 yards per year

2012 Gronk got 790 yards
2012 Hernandez got 483 yards

I don't think Hooman is better than either and his lower production a reflection of his talent.
 
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Great post, as usual, this is worth about a million words...

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Nice. This version has the added final score as an exclamation point.

There is a history here...

Remember the last time Rob Ryan was coaching a defense in Foxboro? On Fox?

2011 Dallas Cowboys. Another last second come from behind victory.

Rob was having deja vu yesterday.

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Hooman could get around 60 yards per game if Brady just threw to him more?
60 yards X 16 games = 960 yards per year

2012 Gronk got 790 yards
2012 Hernandez got 483 yards

I don't think Hooman is better than either and his lower production a reflection of his talent.

You are missing his point. It isn't that Hooman is better than either of them (though your numbers are skewed since both guys missed time last year) it is that those open receivers have been there only Tommy had been forcing it elsewhere. Him content to take the 8 yard + YAC play was a welcome sight.
 
After the Brady INT, i closed the browser (with the NFL-Gamepass). But a silent voice talked to me:" Turn it on again"

Glad, that i did it. Amazing!

I´m so proud of our defence. Without Mayo, Talib,Wilforck and Kelly, they force 3 and out, when it counts.
And TFB and the Receiver delivers.

But:
I don´t like Blount and Devellin. Blount is a bigger version of Dancing Queen LoMO and Devellin miss a lot of blocks.


We had luck with the zebras.
4 and 1 Saints- for me clearly NZI Pats
Ball hits the ground before Hooman can catch him, but it´s a complete pass.
And if Solder gets a penalty for holding on the final TD......

I hope this victory wasn´t bought with long term injurys of Talib and Mayo.
 
You are missing his point. It isn't that Hooman is better than either of them (though your numbers are skewed since both guys missed time last year) it is that those open receivers have been there only Tommy had been forcing it elsewhere. Him content to take the 8 yard + YAC play was a welcome sight.

Brady occasionally misses open receivers, this year last year, next year and every other year as does every QB who has ever played. But the idea that Hooman is somehow a victim of being missed more than any other player at any other time is pure speculation. The assertion that if Brady targeted Hooman more he would get more yards but has ignored him at an unusual rate hinges on Hooman being talented enough to deserve those targets. If Hooman could get 60 or so yards per game that would be more than Hernandez (48.3 YPG 2012), and close to what Gronkowski received last year (11 games 72 YPG).

So unless you feel that Hooman is more talented than Hernandez and almost as good as Gronk there is no reason to expect his production to ever be that high. You cannot simply create good players by targeting them more (at the expense of more talented players).

I'm sure you'll tell me you can remember Hooman open and Brady throwing to someone not open, but unless you are going to run the statistics on the number of times this has happened to every receiver and show Hooman as an anomaly it is purely anecdotal. It is a silly idea that Brady should force the ball to an average TE so he can put up exceptional numbers based on a philosophy of focusing more on a mediocre pass catcher over far better ones.
 
I think my problem with Hightower could be my high expectations. I remember Hightower as being a very explosive player at Alabama. He was an excellent pass rusher as well as being a solid LB. At 270+lbs and good speed, he's an Adaelius Thomas type of player when he was at his best.

So far all I have seen is Hightower being a solid NFL LB who plays the run fairly well, and is decent enough in coverage. BUT to date, I'm hard pressed to recall any "explosive plays", such as rushing the passer, or big tackles behind the LOS.

I'm not saying he hasn't been a decent player, but just not the guy I expected when he was drafted. In my mind he has some rare physical gifts and seems to have his head on straight. I could be just because of the way the Pats are using him. They aren't giving hi8m many opportunities in this defense to make any big plays. (Which, btw, was the biggest reason Thomas became an unhappy camper here, was because of the way he felt he was being used, compared with the style they were playing in Baltimore)

I just hope Ed Werder doesn't read this post because he will extrapolate my observation and the next thing you know, he will be coming out with a big headline, that "Dont'a Hightower is upset at the way he is being used by the Pats defense.....further unsubstantiated speculation to follow"

I think what you're seeing is just how Hightower is being used in this D. Last year, when the Pats were having trouble getting to the QB on account of Chandler's injury and Cunningham's suspension, the Pats gave Hightower some chances to get after the QB and he had 4 sacks in very limited opportunities. This year, for whatever reason, that hasn't been asked of him yet.

Down the line, I think the Pats intend to wreak havoc on opposing offenses by exploiting the ability of athletic freaks like Hightower, Collins, and Jones to play multiple positions and attack offenses in multiple ways. I just don't think we're there yet, in part because I still believe that Hightower is playing out of position, and is meant to be primarily a MLB in our offense. But because Spikes is so limited as a player, he's being played in the only position that he can, and that leaves Hightower playing out of position as the best solution at OLB.

As it is, he's performing very well in a role that I agree he may be a bit overqualified for. He's also taking on more responsibility every day. Personally, I'm just waiting for this offseason to see what happens. I expect that he'll continue to improve throughout the season, but if he's the Week 1 MLB in 2014, then he'll be my #1 player to watch on D.
 
Brady occasionally misses open receivers, this year last year, next year and every other year as does every QB who has ever played. But the idea that Hooman is somehow a victim of being missed more than any other player at any other time is pure speculation. The assertion that if Brady targeted Hooman more he would get more yards but has ignored him at an unusual rate hinges on Hooman being talented enough to deserve those targets. If Hooman could get 60 or so yards per game that would be more than Hernandez (48.3 YPG 2012), and close to what Gronkowski received last year (11 games 72 YPG).

So unless you feel that Hooman is more talented than Hernandez and almost as good as Gronk there is no reason to expect his production to ever be that high. You cannot simply create good players by targeting them more (at the expense of more talented players).

I'm sure you'll tell me you can remember Hooman open and Brady throwing to someone not open, but unless you are going to run the statistics on the number of times this has happened to every receiver and show Hooman as an anomaly it is purely anecdotal. It is a silly idea that Brady should force the ball to an average TE so he can put up exceptional numbers based on a philosophy of focusing more on a mediocre pass catcher over far better ones.

This continues to miss the point. No one is arguing what you think they are arguing. :confused2:
 
I think what you're seeing is just how Hightower is being used in this D. Last year, when the Pats were having trouble getting to the QB on account of Chandler's injury and Cunningham's suspension, the Pats gave Hightower some chances to get after the QB and he had 4 sacks in very limited opportunities. This year, for whatever reason, that hasn't been asked of him yet.

Down the line, I think the Pats intend to wreak havoc on opposing offenses by exploiting the ability of athletic freaks like Hightower, Collins, and Jones to play multiple positions and attack offenses in multiple ways. I just don't think we're there yet, in part because I still believe that Hightower is playing out of position, and is meant to be primarily a MLB in our offense. But because Spikes is so limited as a player, he's being played in the only position that he can, and that leaves Hightower playing out of position as the best solution at OLB.

As it is, he's performing very well in a role that I agree he may be a bit overqualified for. He's also taking on more responsibility every day. Personally, I'm just waiting for this offseason to see what happens. I expect that he'll continue to improve throughout the season, but if he's the Week 1 MLB in 2014, then he'll be my #1 player to watch on D.
Your lips to God's ear on that one, buddy
 
10. The Ghost’s kick would have been good from 65, so can we end the negative talk about him? Good kickers are going to miss slightly less than 2 FG kicks out of ten. And Goskowski is better than most, but he’s not immune to the occasional miss Get used to it and stop acting all shocked and outraged when it happens.

FWIW, last year the bar was set quite a bit higher: the top 10 kickers all finished around 90%.

I don't know if that's a one-year aberration, but there's definitely been a trend overall towards significantly higher FG conversion rates over the last 10-20 years.
 
Idle thoughts - The WOW edition.

I didn’t have high expectations for this game, much like the feeling I had before the Atlanta game. All I wanted to see in this game was that they keep it close and see some improvement over what we saw in Cincinnati on the offense (not that that would he hard to do ) . I thought it would be an entertaining game so I decided to watch at a local watering hole which also has great Pizza. As I watched the game my expectations rose…..exponentially.

By the end of the game I fully expected a win, DESPITE the injury to Talib. Despite the injury to Mayo. Despite the injury to Amendola. DESPITE, the virtual hail Mary pass to Stills that somehow eluded the perfectly positioned Alphonso Dennard (who played just as good a game as Talib) Despite the fact that the refs allowed the Saints OL to hold with impunity. Despite the inexplicable 3 runs inside the 7 after the Arrington pick, and Despite the bad pass pick by Brady on the next to last Drive, and despite the 4th down drop by Dobson.

Ok Ok, I admit to asking for the check after the Brady pick and was getting ready to leave when roar from Edelman’s catch brought me back to the bar. WHAT A FINISH!….and I almost missed it. It reminded me of the time I shut the TV off after Brady "seemed" to fumble in the Snowbowl game vs Oakland...after which we all were forced to become experts on the "tuck rule"

Here are some thoughts

1. BB will get all the credit, but Matt Patricia put together a fantastic game plan. And the players executed it almost to perfection....or as much "perfection" as you can get vs a offense as good as the Saint's

2. That being said I have to admit to some frustration with the Pats refusal to mount any significant blitzes or stunts to create some pressure, especially after watching how successful it was when carried out by the Saints. They seemed to always have someone running in free on their blitzes even when they didn’t ultimately get to the QB

I'm not saying that we should do it as often as the Saints did, but HEY, would 4-5 times a game be a stretch? The only time we got pressure was on individual effort. Sometimes you have to “create” pressure through a scheme, if not to get to the QB but to hurry him or at least make him feel uncomfortable. The Pats never seem to do that, and I don’t understand it.

3. I can’t say enough about the play of Chris Jones and Joe Valano. Now I don’t have any illusions about these 2 kids. Neither is likely to have a long NFL career. In fact my lasting impression of Valano was a WTF moment when I saw him lined up next to the 6’5 Tommy Kelly at the start of the Bengal game and he looked like a child next to a grown up. The 6’2 300lb they ascribe to him is generous to a fault.

But while the DT play wasn’t exactly great, it didn’t suck either. They provided some middle push on the pass rush, and didn’t embarrass themselves against the run. So for 2 undrafted rookies, they played beyond expectations, and what more can you ask.

3. Its horrifying to think that we have now lost our 3 best defensive players (Wilfolk, Talib, and Mayo) along with Tommy Kelly. How long before we see Mayo and Talib again is yet to be seen, but our defensive depth is going to be severely tested. Its Dane Fletcher time.

4. Aqib Talib is getting all the attention, and deservedly so, but Alphonzo Dennard is very quietly having a very good season.

5. I would like to start seeing Hightower make more of an impression. Did he even play?

6. There is nothing special about Hooman, but FINALLY Brady decided to throw to him and look at the results, 4 catches almost 60 yds. Nothing that would jump out at you, but a solid day. He should have had numbers like this all year. Its been there, but for some reason Tom refused to take it.

7. It seems like we’ve had a couple of receivers open deep in every game (a distinct difference from recent years) and Tom has missed most of them. The one to Amendola was the obvious one, but he also slightly under threw on to Thompkins which allowed the DB to make a play. A foot longer and it would have been a TD. So while the receivers all have to keep on improving in their route running and hands, Brady also has to improve on his long ball. We can’t afford to miss opportunities like the Amendola throw all season.

8. You all know that I’m generally against what I call the ****ification of the game. However I have long been a proponent of taking the “spear” out of the game. In other words using the top of your helmet as a battering ram, especial on shots to the head. And that’s exactly what happened to Amendola. So I found it very frustrating to see the Pats GET a call when Thomkins was inadvertently hit in in the head by a guy doing his best not to hit him there, and NOT get a call on a call on the Amendola hit, when the defender used the top of his head to directly hit Amendola in the head. Clearly I don’t understand the rule…..OR the intent, nor do I think the official do.

9. I clearly didn’t understand the 3 runs inside the 10 after the pick. Very curious and I usually don’t 2nd guess play calls. I hope sometime this week we get an explanation

10. The Ghost’s kick would have been good from 65, so can we end the negative talk about him? Good kickers are going to miss slightly less than 2 FG kicks out of ten. And Goskowski is better than most, but he’s not immune to the occasional miss Get used to it and stop acting all shocked and outraged when it happens.

11. All in all this was a fantastic win. Our flawed, developing and battered team is now 5-1 and the best is certainly yet to come for the offense While the defense has shown enough to get us excited for the playoffs…assuming we get there with enough people to play it.

On to Jets week.

2: Blitzing is a simple minded and dangerous maneuver. Yes look at what the blitzing accomplished. Allowing 30 points to a team having difficulty scoring. Did the 5 sacks end up with any meaning?

3: You didn't mention Matty Ps great coaching decision to help the UDFA DTs. He played a lot more of Brandon Spikes and had him doing run bitzes, and run stuffing or disruptive run defense. With Mayo injured, I expect to see more of both Fletcher and Collins. Isn't it nice to have some genuine depth after 4 years. Now we get to see what BB prize off season acquisition, Armon Armstead, can do on the D-line. I don't know if Velano or Jones will ever be legitimate starters; but they appear to be pleasant surprises as the eventual #3-5 DTs.

6: Gronk should show up soon to augment the run and passing game.

10: I agree I never undestood the people who complain about the Gost. He has an almost perfect season, producing on 14-15 FGA. He also has the best record of all the Pats kickers,ll time. That says a lot about a team that had Cappeletti and Vinateiri as place kickers.
 
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