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  1. patfanken

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    Hard to do justice to that stinker of a "entertainment experience". I have hated the Jets, just like the rest of you over the last 60 years. But I have to admit that this one set back my hatred meter a few notches. It's been many years since I've seen a more one sided game. Not only from what we saw on the field, but what we saw from the sidelines.

    Adam Gase has a few wins over the years over BB, and a few other games that were very competitive. But this game was an example of one side being COMPLETELY out coached from the first play until the last. If I were a Jet fan, or even more importantly, one of his employers, I'd be looking for explanations on why my franchise was so thoroughly embarrassed on national TV.

    Gase better be looking for some shovels to bury multiple game balls this week, or something. And while he was at it, I'd suggest he look for some high priced counselling for his QB, who might take a while before he recovers from what occurred last night. This was UGLY. So lets break it down quickly before I lose interest

    1 General offensive thoughts - Better, not by much, but better than in previous weeks. More sustained offensive pressure and better rhythm, especially in the first half of the game. The 3 drops we saw in the first half cost us points, but you could see the baby steps that were taken. Unfortunately the second half turned out to be much more choppy as the pass blocking didn't hold up to what we saw earlier in the game.

    2. QB - Brady excelled in his short game and was VERY patient as the 8 minute 16 play opening TD drive pointed out. I would have liked to have seen some more chances down the field, but I guess they weren't in the game plan. 250 passing yds was OK as was the 69% completion rate. Still nothing that will make anyone forget what Aaron Rodgers did this weekend, but all in all a very efficient and controlled effort.

    3. RB - Nothing to get excited about. 3 TD's will make Sony's FF owners happy, but the 42 yds on 19 carries won't make anyone thrilled who is waiting for the run game to take off. But I can't help but wonder if there may come a point where they'll stop running RIGHT up middle into the teeth of the defense and perhaps try to try off tackle or around the end. That was where most of the running yardage was made.

    When did Brandon Boldin become such an accomplished receiver....but he has. And of course, Jame White was his usual effective self as a receiver.

    4. OL - The Pass blocking was good to start the game but didn't look as good as the game went on. There weren't any sacks but there could have been. Not only that, the run blocking wasn't moving anyone off the line much.....again.

    I didn't think I would be missing Andrews quite as much as we are. Karras doesn't suck, but I never realized just how good David actually was as a Center. We miss him a lot in the run game. We can only hope that Karras will improve as the season wears on. But he isn't the athlete Andrews is.

    I'm hoping that Bedards breakdown will show improvement from Mason. Newhouse is what he is, and is doing a yeoman's job. But come the playoffs, we are going to need better. I think Wynn can start practicing after the Cleveland game. That will be big.

    5. TE- It will be a while before Ben lives down the ball to the face moment he had. But he make a key 4th down catch Hopefully he will add more as he gets back into it. I'm also hoping he will get his blocking legs under him as well. Neither he nor Tomilson was much of an improvement to the blocking side of the game either from the FB position or when attempting to "wham block". Tomlison was particularly bad, which doesn't bode well for him, since blocking was the main reason we brought him aboard. I know I didn't see much that made me think he'll be here for long.. Big dude, no pop. Of course one week's work shouldn't label someone forever so we will see

    6. WR's - Meyers continued to make his mark. He caught everything Brady threw at him 5-5. Showed excellent route running finding the soft spot on a 3rd and long. Dorsett was the same catching 3 of 4 balls for a TD. I wish they had gone to him more. Julian had a big drop at the end of the first half that cost the team points and him about 35 more yds. Not his best night.

    General - The Jets have strong Safeties but bad CB's and a better than average front 7. It was a decent test for the offense and they were better than the last time they were out there against a lesser opponent. Baby steps

    7. General Defensive thoughts. - I'm going to let others dazzle you all with the amazing things were were seeing. The stats this defense is putting up are just stunning. And they will be readily noted by many. You don't need to see them here.

    I think the beauty of what we are seeing is that it is hard to focus on any one, two or three players to say THOSE are the individuals that are making this work. All the work is SO interconnected that, while its the individuals that are getting the picks, sacks and fumbles, the RESULTS are because of how well they are all working so well TOGETHER to disguise and time up their stunts, and coverages.

    I think I mentioned it during last week, but it's worth repeating. There are a couple of reasons why this is working so well. One is that the bulk of this defense have been working in this system for several years. 9 of the 11 starters are 28 or older. So while the rest of the league is trending ever younger. BB was once again bucked the trend and has gone OLDER on the defensive side. He also is paying more on the defensive side. I read today where only the Vikings are paying a higher percentage of their cap space on the defensive side of the ball. The Pats are #2.

    You can't do this sh!t with the kind of consistency that we are seeing UNLESS you have guys who communicate perfectly, who can disguise what they are doing, and can do it all from completely different alignments. That is a LOT easier to say than to actually execute. You cannot do it if you are running with a majority of 24 and 25 year olds.

    I want to point out that on an individual basis NOTHING the Pats are doing is new or unique. An overload blitz is an overload blitz. Zero coverage will always mean there are no safeties protecting deep and everyone is on an island. So like most things in football, there is nothing new under the sun. HOWEVER what is different is that Bill has put together 20 odd guys on defense who he can use almost interchangeably so that it will be extremely difficult for someone to create tendencies to exploit. You can't do it UNLESS you have the kind of experience, communication and TRUST to disguise and execute all the finite details that make it work. There is a REASON why everyone else just simply copies it. They don't have the people to do it.

    So, while we haven't played the most talented offenses in the league, this defense IS for real so enjoy it. The Browns and Ravens aren't going to. ;)

    General Thoughts - While you enjoyed watching the Pats get free rushers in on Darnald time after time after time, after time, I hope you all appreciate the work Dante does to make sure that happens ever so rarely to Brady. Think about it. Like I said, nothing the Pats do isn't being done by other teams in one form or another, yet we almost NEVER see Brady subjected to even 10% of what Darnald saw tonight. And even when it did, we saw Brady have an outlet to go to most of the time.

    Remember that is to the great credit of Dante and Josh, and a cruel indictment of Gase. Not only didn't he make ANY adjustments for his OL, he never seemed to give Darnald any easy throws like slants or short crossers, or hooks. I don't think one game can screw up a good QB, but this one could come close.

    Ted Johnson pointed out on the NBCSports postgame show, it was a close up of BB who had brought the entire D over to point something out when they were ahead 20 something to nothing. He said to the effect, " anyone have a question NOW about who is the defensive coordinator of the Patriots"?! And its true. Bill talks to Steve and Mayo, but Bill is more than just the "overseer" of defense. HE's the guy running the meetings. He's the guy dictating the strategy. In this case the Emperor HAS clothes.....and it's a HOODIE. ;)

    BTW- I really enjoy Johnson and Matt Cassel along with Holley and Breer on their post game show. They almost always give you a gem or two you won't get elsewhere.
     
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    Agree with everything you wrote.

    And I liked Elandon Roberts at FB. He blocked his man at least.

    Tomlinson isn't a rock solid blocker. Hopefully Izzo can do better or we can get Dwayne Allen back if he is 100%...
     
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    I'm just thanking Jesus they've dropped Felger from the pre and post game shows.
     
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    Ryan Izzo Cannot Block Period! We need to find a TE who can Block from that position.
     
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    So about 8:00 PM sat down and turned on the TV, and to my surprise do not get ESPN.. when I cut the cord in July have been successful in what I watch, never an issue.. despite my apps none of them had the game on.

    Then a frantic search to find how to get ESPN, the closest I got was to get the ESPN app for $44.99 per month, that seemed a tad extreme so I turned on Socci/Zolak, which was ok. Searched some more and finally found my Fire TV app on my phone carried the game somehow, probably through my crappy 4th antenna that does not work that well. So I watched, off and on dependent on what the antenna wanted to receive, up the beginning of the 4th quarter...

    So my comments are brief and pointed.

    The Jets beat Dallas last week and was expecting a better team and better effort, what I heard, read and figured out that this D is really for real. Averaging just under 7 points per game is unheard of in this day and age of big passing. The D is for real and better than I can remember.. 4 int's in one game + strip sack.. huge.

    The Pats O scored, but it still lacks all its weapons.. no Burkhead, Harry, Develin, Gordon and only one TE... then there is Wynn's absence. The O line is not doing as well as we are used to.. their run blocking is way below average. A lot of their success is squarely on the shoulders of #12, although his stats are not gaudy... he keeps the Pats in most of these games..

    Roberts at FB, why not?? 6'1", 220 lbs.. he has the body size, it is certainly worth a shot..

    Next week Cleveland @ 4:00 PM, another test to see how good this team is.. they will be fine, not sure Baker Mayfield is all that "great".... the good thing is next Sunday's game is not on ESPN..
     
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    I was surprised at how much we ran the zero blitz on them, last night- literally all night long and why they didn't adjust. Then it occured to me that Darnold wasn't sliding protection to account for it. How do you slide protection against something that's constantly changing every time you call the mike? Just so nasty. He probably got so spooked he just didn't bother doing it.

    I also love that presnap, we were constantly toggling between a cover 1 and a cover 2. This left Darnold completely clueless.

    Poor kid.
     
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    Yeah, Hightower in the post game interview mentioned how before they would often have multiple coaches telling them what to do and this year, the directions come directly from one person,: BB. So now they know exactly what BB wants them to do.
     
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    Disappointed with Tomlinson's blocking too. Is it possible that Izzo was more effective? I know one game isn't enough to tell. Seemed like Elandon Roberts and even James Ferentz did a decent job blocking as a FB. Maybe just keep using them there.
     
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    One thing that stood out to me was how well Ben Watson played in the first half.

    Good to have him back
     
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    I know I will get killed for saying this and people will scream "THREE TOUCHDOWNS!!" but Sony looks bad. I know the offensive line isn't doing much to help him out but he isn't making anyone miss and he has been spotty in short yardage.
     
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    Best pass/catch of the night - Back shoulder to Bolden.
     
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    I’m not sure that he had more than two practices. If it doesn’t improve next game, ok but I’m going to give him a pass considering the week he had.
     
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    Yeah he kept falling down with no around him. :rolleyes:
     
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    Our OL is just garbage in the run game....not helping our RB's much...missed key blocks....Hopefully Wynn's return helps open some holes......pass blocking was ok but Brady is great at moving up and around to avoid sacks and buy time as long as there isn't a jailbreak coming at him.....
     
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    Tomlinson did get a good block on Michel's last TD. Probably would have been stopped short without it. He did look bad on the wham blocking but he's only been around a few days. Haven't seen anyone else distinguish themselves on the Wham which is my FAVORITE play. I used to love Daniel Graham on that. He did it best.
     
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    I don't disagree with the critique of the offense, but Jiminy Crickets, look at what they are doing with the personnel! Two UFDA rookies at WR, two tight ends who signed this week, two back up OL starting, fifth string RB being featured heavily (and looking good!), a linebacker as stand in fullback...

    33 points.
     
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    This is not intended to diminish anything the defense has done, I love it, the attacking mode. However, Sam Darnold, surprisingly gave one of the worst QB performances I have ever seen. Don't think he set his feet once. Somewhere Luke Falk is thinking that he did better than that. Not to excuse Darnold at all but the Jet OL was a bunch of backups. So I'm happy where we are at, happy with the defensive performance, but am not ready to proclaim it in the company of the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens. I hope at the end of the year that will be the case. So I will wait until after the Ravens and Cowboy offensive lines come to town. I will be disappointed if they don't do well against both of them. Let's see how it goes against the Chiefs at home and the Texans away, both with good passing games. I'm enjoying every game but I'll save my coronation festivities until hopefully mid February.

    I do really like Matt Cassell but I'm not crazy about Holley or Johnson and have grown tired of Tom Curran. As a result I haven't watched them too much.
     
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    I actually thought the offense looked pretty good. They scored on their first 4 drives and if not for the Edelman drop on that long pass from Brady would have also scored at least another FG right before half. Their 2nd drive ended in a FG due to the dropped pass from Michel but the play design was excellent and it appeared he would have had a chance to score if he caught it. Once the 2nd half started they clearly played with less urgency and punted 3 separate times when they would have either gone for it or tried a FG. The lack of a run game continues to be a problem and is hopefully something that can be fixed once Wynn is back and maybe some improvement at TE.
     
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    Chicken or the egg? He gave his performance based on the defense. Look a week earlier, he lit up Dallas for 300 plus yards......
     
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    The defense is obviously phenomenal but I wonder when that zero blitz is going to bite them. Eventually a QB will place the ball well enough when a receiver beats JC Jackson.
     

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