I don't expect a very happy board after the draft

[DW Toys]

as long as the pats don't pick a TE or Carlos Dunlap, in the first round. or tebow, in the 2th ill be happy what who ever the pats take.

Or Ordick. Rather have Tebow who might improve in a few years and pay off rather than Ordick who is having "Bust" tatooed on his a...nkle.

They have backed theirselves into a corner by not pulling off a few reasonable FA deals or Trades this off season. Now BB cannot have one choice fail in the top four. You don't even have enough JAGS to fill the holes we have.
DW Toys

 

[VJCPatriot]

They have backed theirselves into a corner by not pulling off a few reasonable FA deals or Trades this off season. Now BB cannot have one choice fail in the top four. You don't even have enough JAGS to fill the holes we have.
DW Toys

LOL, didn't expect you of all people to be this pessimistic. YOU who have been quoting the 18% draft success stat this whole offseason!

Personally, I expect to be 90% wrong on who the Pats pick. I'll be happy if I can net 2 like last year, but this year I just don't seem to have a good feel of what BB is trying to do with the team, so I doubt I'll get more than 1 right.

But whatever BB ends up doing, I'm sure he'll have a plan. And I'm also sure that there SHALL BE lots of pissing and moaning on the forums. But after a while, we'll realize, it's not the end of the world, and hey maybe some of these guys CAN help our team out... after we say, huh who dat?, and rush to google who the heck we just picked!

 

[DocE]

I just hope people express their genuine emotions after the draft and drop the "in BB we trust" crap. As DW Toys pointed out, the Patriots backed themselves in to a corner with this draft by not addressing any of the gaping holes on this roster prior to it. Maybe they couldn't have found a pass rusher (other than Peppers and his huge contract) but we know there were opportunities at WR and TE for guys with talent that came at a reasonable price. Further, the 2nd round picks we have this year have an opportunity cost attached to them. I liked the moves to add the picks (and they boosted my own draft grade of the Pats last year), but they were done at the expense of adding talent to the roster that could have played one more year with Brady/Moss during their window. Personally, I am not looking forward to a 37 year old Brady and expecting him to still be elite at that age.

I expect to be disappointed. I think most fans expect that there is very little chance they will like all 4 picks (if they make 4). I just hope it's not monumental disappointment (Tebow anywhere, Mathews in round 1 are two things that would really tick me off).

 

[DarrylS]

Obviously this board is never happy, and expect this to happen...

All we can be sure of is a whole lot of head scratching WTF moments, during the next week or so.. while in reality we will not know all that much until November..

Over and over read about missed opportunities with WR's, one thing that folks often ignore is that one of the best WR's in the game, Welker, makes a pittance compared to the Brandon Marshall's of the world. So we bring him here, and destroy the economics of the Patriots..

All the while we hear about locker room chemistry, some say it is no big deal and others say it is, so there are those who want to bring in malcontents as a panecea for all that infects this team

A whole bunch of rhetoric that makes little sense..

 

[patsinthesnow]

This will be my first year on the board when the draft is going on. There is obviously a draft discussion thread right? This should be fun to read all the knee-jerk reactions.

 

[dryheat44]

I just hope people express their genuine emotions after the draft and drop the "in BB we trust" crap.).

I wouldn't call it "crap". The man has 5 Super Bowl rings, an undefeated regular season, a bust in the Hall-of-Fame waiting, and has forgotton more about football between his alarm clock and his coffee than any of us know.

We read second-hand scouting reports by people who aren't good enough evaluators to work in the NFL, interspersed with Youtube highlights, and a few games on television, and somehow we are more informed than the guys who watch a seasons worth of game tape more than once and talk to the players' former coaches and opposition.

News Flash: Belichick ALWAYS makes the correct decision at the time it's being made. Yeah, we can look back and say we thought Greg Jennings was a better pick than Chad Jackson, or that we should have traded up for DeMarcus Ware, and we would've been lucky enough to be right in those cases. And none of us would have drafted Mankins in the 1st round or Vollmer in the 2nd.

Look at all the players who were favorites of this board over the past 5 years who are marginal players or out of the league.

So yeah, In BB I trust. He knows the system he wants to run, what specific players best fit the holes that exist, and the likelihood of those players' success. He knows which players he plans to keep in 2011 and which he'll let move on. He knows which backups are ready for more important duties and which will never be.

We, even the most knowledgable of us, don't know Jack.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

News Flash: Belichick ALWAYS makes the correct decision at the time it's being made. Yeah, we can look back and say we thought Greg Jennings was a better pick than Chad Jackson, or that we should have traded up for DeMarcus Ware, and we would've been lucky enough to be right in those cases. And none of us would have drafted Mankins in the 1st round or Vollmer in the 2nd.

I agree with everything you said, but I do want to point out that Dante worked personally worked out Vollmer and I am sure it was he that pushed hard for Vollmer to be overdrafted.

PS: BB needs to avoid trading with Green Bay.

 

[dryheat44]

I agree with everything you said, but I do want to point out that Dante worked personally worked out Vollmer and I am sure it was he that pushed hard for Vollmer to be overdrafted.

PS: BB needs to avoid trading with Green Bay.

My point exactly. BB and Dante were in the know. But how many of us, not to mention guys like Kiper, said "reach" (or even worse, "Who?")? Pessimists on this board were likely licking their chops, waiting for this year to say "Belichick was an idiot for taking this unknown LINEMAN when player X was still available". Talking heads tend to parrot each other. Really, there's Mayock, and then a whole parade of crap. And we tend to parrot them.

 

[DarrylS]

I wouldn't call it "crap". The man has 5 Super Bowl rings, an undefeated regular season, a bust in the Hall-of-Fame waiting, and has forgotton more about football between his alarm clock and his coffee than any of us know.

We read second-hand scouting reports by people who aren't good enough evaluators to work in the NFL, interspersed with Youtube highlights, and a few games on television, and somehow we are more informed than the guys who watch a seasons worth of game tape more than once and talk to the players' former coaches and opposition.

News Flash: Belichick ALWAYS makes the correct decision at the time it's being made. Yeah, we can look back and say we thought Greg Jennings was a better pick than Chad Jackson, or that we should have traded up for DeMarcus Ware, and we would've been lucky enough to be right in those cases. And none of us would have drafted Mankins in the 1st round or Vollmer in the 2nd.

Look at all the players who were favorites of this board over the past 5 years who are marginal players or out of the league.

So yeah, In BB I trust. He knows the system he wants to run, what specific players best fit the holes that exist, and the likelihood of those players' success. He knows which players he plans to keep in 2011 and which he'll let move on. He knows which backups are ready for more important duties and which will never be.

We, even the most knowledgable of us, don't know Jack.

Very well said, there is no reason to disbelieve in BB and his system, because NYJ and Miami signed a few guys who are considered to be poor lockerroom influences or have legal problems...

Last year 9 rookies made this team, and 2 were on IR.. if 7 or 8 more can contribute this year.. we will morph into a very young team.. remember how we were criticized for being too old and too slow???

 

[Nonentity]

News Flash: Belichick ALWAYS makes the correct decision at the time it's being made. Yeah, we can look back and say we thought Greg Jennings was a better pick than Chad Jackson, or that we should have traded up for DeMarcus Ware, and we would've been lucky enough to be right in those cases. And none of us would have drafted Mankins in the 1st round or Vollmer in the 2nd.

I agree with almost everything you say except this. No, we don't know everything. But Bill doesn't either. He makes the decisions that seem right to him, as we all would.

As any Patriots fan knows, perfection is something that's very difficult to attain. And it certainly doesn't happen in the draft.

"I can tell you that we were strongly considering him along with Bo [Ruud] in the seventh round and we ended up taking Bo," Belichick said. “But those were two of the players that we were talking a lot about. When the draft was over, we went back and Gary wasn’t drafted, so we came back on him, and of course his question was, 'Well, why didn’t you take me in the seventh round?' - and that was a good question."

 

[patchick]

I think the "least consensus ever" goes hand in hand with "most will be unhappy." There are simply too many options for everybody's wishlist to be checked off.

That said...I hope (and mostly believe) that we won't see too much outrage over things like "I can't believe they chose Jerry Hughes over Sergio Kindle!" There's total disagreement here over the candidates at each position, they can only choose one at a time, and they have a lot more info than we do.

Tebow, I think, is a different case. That's not about player evaluation so much as long-term strategic direction. Oh, and if they pass on ALL of the pass rushers AGAIN, I'll lead the whine parade.

 

[dryheat44]

I agree with almost everything you say except this. No, we don't know everything. But Bill doesn't either. He makes the decisions that seem right to him, as we all would.

As any Patriots fan knows, perfection is something that's very difficult to attain. And it certainly doesn't happen in the draft.

Well, correct. Maybe I should re-phrase. BB has the best information, and he makes the best decision based on the information at hand. Obviously he's neither omniscient or psychic, but he makes the right decision based on what is known at the time. Unlike Oakland, who could conduct their entire draft based on a physician's scale and stopwatch, or Cincinnati, who don't have a proper scouting staff.

 

[scroticus]

No board will ever be 100% happy or even 2/3 happy, an earlier post was made about older drafts getting killed and its spot-on (though many of those drafts deserve it in retrospect).

With 4 high picks and the depth of the draft, fair to say most everyone will get a minimum of one player that they're very happy with, and a second that they can live with, and that's at the least. Everyone will nitpick the rest of it, fair play. But overall, I think the board will be happier than most years- basically, BB and co. can't possibly screw this up with the current set of picks.

 

[patchick]

But overall, I think the board will be happier than most years- basically, BB and co. can't possibly screw this up with the current set of picks.

Ah, that insight points the way to maximum board angst: trading a bunch of them away.

 

[upstater1]

Or Ordick. Rather have Tebow who might improve in a few years and pay off rather than Ordick who is having "Bust" tatooed on his a...nkle.

They have backed theirselves into a corner by not pulling off a few reasonable FA deals or Trades this off season. Now BB cannot have one choice fail in the top four. You don't even have enough JAGS to fill the holes we have.
DW Toys

You'd rather have Tebow than Odrick.

I wanted to make sure I'm reading that correctly.

 

[scroticus]

LOL, absolutely. What I didn't say was, there's no way in youknowwhere that BB stands pat with this set of picks. The screaming will start with "We could have had (xyz), whyyyyyy did we make this trade???".

Disclaimer- I'm real real guilty of the above

 

[mgteich]

Posters don't want Tebow because we think that Brady will play and be healthy for another full contract. I suspect that Indy fans have the same attitude.

I think the "least consensus ever" goes hand in hand with "most will be unhappy." There are simply too many options for everybody's wishlist to be checked off.

That said...I hope (and mostly believe) that we won't see too much outrage over things like "I can't believe they chose Jerry Hughes over Sergio Kindle!" There's total disagreement here over the candidates at each position, they can only choose one at a time, and they have a lot more info than we do.

Tebow, I think, is a different case. That's not about player evaluation so much as long-term strategic direction. Oh, and if they pass on ALL of the pass rushers AGAIN, I'll lead the whine parade.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I just want to go on record as saying I would love to have Tebow on the team.

Back to a general feeling on the draft and a little piece I entitled, "Thoughts to live by when dealing with a BB draft."

Preparing for, drawing up a mock and watching a BB draft is similar to getting a lottery card, filling out your favorite numbers and then going home to watch the ping pong balls get sucked up.

Before the numbers get called, you are cautiously optimistic and excited.

When the numbers get called, and you missed them, you are pissed off, cursing and upset.

After the numbers get called you wonder how come you didn't get the right numbers, so you research it a bit and you slowly begin to realize and accept where the wheels came off the the cart.

A little while later, you are telling people, "Man I would have got them all right if I had only done X or thought about Y. I was so close!"

I expect the same thing this year, only it will be drawn out over three grueling days. The key is to get #250 right so you go away with a good feeling as you prtepare for next year's draft.

 

[dryheat44]

The key is to get #250 right so you go away with a good feeling as you prtepare for next year's draft.

Garrett Anderson C South Carolina?

 

[DW Toys]

You'd rather have Tebow than Odrick.

I wanted to make sure I'm reading that correctly.

Ordick will be a bust. Tebow will be a four year down the road possible TB replacement who can learn. When Ordick is dealt for a fifth rounder in 2013, Tebow will still be a Pat IMO(DISCLAIMER).

Did you see how a mediocre LSU O-Line clobbered the great Mr. Ordick?

I want neither for #22. Perhaps Ordick at #119. Rather have Cody at #22 and move VW to end as he played part of 2009.

Yep If Ordiock is chosen I will be unhappy and then lets follow that up by the over rated USC receiver Williams who is a slot guy and runs weak patterns. Or better yet a RB like Matthews who has vision issues as a RB. Don't we have one of those already?

There is my Trifecta

DW Toys