Hypothetical big F-U to the NFL and Goodell: Brady taking vet minimum

[Kontradiction]

Why in God's name would he do that?

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

Why in God's name would he do that?

1) He doesnt need the money
2) Play with Joe Thomas is better than play with Cannon

 

[Kontradiction]

1) He doesnt need the money
2) Play with Joe Thomas is better than play with Cannon

LOL, who are you to say he doesn't need the money? He's still the top quarterback in the game and he's taken numerous discounts for the team already. If he wants to be compensated for north of the vet minimum, he should feel free to do so. Further, the team can easily afford to upgrade the OL even with his cap hit.

 

[Gronk]

He can take the vet minimum if in turn he is provided equity in the team.

Not sure what the bylaws are and if that is allowed...?

That would have to be a violation because it would be a way of compensating him outside the salary cap.

Being that the TB12 Sports thing is already on Patriot Place and to some extent intermingled with the team itself (plus that weird "people don't understand everything that's going on" quote from Kraft when Brady signed his last extension for low money), given that the league already has the pitchforks out for Tom for reasons passing understanding, I don't think it's a great idea to sign any sort of "FU" contract that could invite further investigation. And that's besides the whole NFLPA angle.

Maybe he doesn't need $20m per year but I don't know how much a high-quality white pool cover costs.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

LOL, who are you to say he doesn't need the money? He's still the top quarterback in the game and he's taken numerous discounts for the team already. If he wants to be compensated for north of the vet minimum, he should feel free to do so. Further, the team can easily afford to upgrade the OL even with his cap hit.

Who are you to say that he does?

In my opinion he is quiet set for the rest of his life. His children lifes, grandchildren.... Any specialized magazine is able to estimate his fortune.

You are right I can not be sure, neither you, if he needs 10 million or more that he would leave on the table. But your question was: Why in God's name would he do that?? One of the reasons could be that he do not need more money.

 

[tasmlab]

Maybe all the Pats star players could work for vet minimum and that freed money could go to attract top dollar star players not yet on the roster. Then THEY could take minimum. Then the Pats could sign everybody.

Bwahahaha!

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

Maybe all the Pats star players could work for vet minimum and that freed money could go to attract top dollar star players not yet on the roster. Then THEY could take minimum. Then the Pats could sign everybody.

Bwahahaha!

David West:
After 12 seasons, the 35-year-old who had earned two All-Star berths and $87 million in combined salary but had zero championships to his name faced a tough choice: pick up the $12 million player option to play for an Indiana Pacers team that many considered in decline, or take his title pursuit elsewhere while enduring the kind of pay cut that most veterans would never consider. He opted for the latter, signing a veteran’s minimum deal with the Spurs that will pay him $1.49 million ...

No not all of our players will take vet minimum, but some will...

Brady is rich .. Love the Pats.. And he always said that is all about the rings. Why mock?

 

[Kontradiction]

Who are you to say that he does?

A guy using his brain. He's the best in the world at what he does currently. He should be compensated as such. Currently, it appears he agrees because I haven't seen a report about him taking such a massive pay cut or even approaching the Patriots with a willingness to do it.

In my opinion he is quiet set for the rest of his life. His children lifes, grandchildren.... Any specialized magazine is able to estimate his fortune.

Your opinion counts for ****, though. Sorry if that sounds harsh. It's his life and his lifestyle. If he wants the earnings, he's certainly entitled to them since he's the one that's put in the work and abuse to get to this point.

You are right I can not be sure, neither you, if he needs 10 million or more that he would leave on the table. But your question was: Why in God's name would he do that?? One of the reasons could be that he do not need more money.

Nobody can predict the future. Any number of things can happen that may hit Tom right in the wallet. Just to toss out some examples purely off the top of my head: what if he's the product of a nasty divorce? What if he sustains some kind of expensive and horrific injury? What if he wants his children to be financially stable for the rest of their lives based on his hard work? Never fault a guy for wanting to maximize his earnings. ESPECIALLY a guy who does what Tom has done for this team. To say that someone doesn't NEED the money is foolish. At this point, the best the team could do for him is an extension to free up the cap space. They don't him to take the vet minimum in order to do that. Nor should he want to take it at 39 with the abuse he's going to take through a 16 game season then (hopefully) three more through the playoffs.

 

[sb1]

Not going to happen for reasons already said in this topic but it would be fun to think about the reaction if it did.

 

[BTTA]

Maybe he doesn't need $20m per year but I don't know how much a high-quality white pool cover costs.

Nor do I. I went with blue. Anybody here go with the white one who can fill us in on the cost?

 

[RobertWeathers]

That would have to be a violation because it would be a way of compensating him outside the salary cap.

Being that the TB12 Sports thing is already on Patriot Place and to some extent intermingled with the team itself (plus that weird "people don't understand everything that's going on" quote from Kraft when Brady signed his last extension for low money), given that the league already has the pitchforks out for Tom for reasons passing understanding, I don't think it's a great idea to sign any sort of "FU" contract that could invite further investigation. And that's besides the whole NFLPA angle.

Maybe he doesn't need $20m per year but I don't know how much a high-quality white pool cover costs.

I agree but how do you quantify that as compensation? For example, the Packers are a publicly held team. As such with any corporation they can compensate their employees with directed shares,restricted shares that vest over time. Theoretically (I'm guessing there is a NFL bylaw that does not allow it) as part of his overall compensation they could issue shares to Aaron Rodgers. In theory, that issue price (or sale price depending on how they want to quantify it) would count towards the cap.

A slippery slope for sure.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

A guy using his brain. He's the best in the world at what he does currently. He should be compensated as such. Currently, it appears he agrees because I haven't seen a report about him taking such a massive pay cut or even approaching the Patriots with a willingness to do it.

Your opinion counts for ****, though. Sorry if that sounds harsh. It's his life and his lifestyle. If he wants the earnings, he's certainly entitled to them since he's the one that's put in the work and abuse to get to this point.

Nobody can predict the future. Any number of things can happen that may hit Tom right in the wallet. Just to toss out some examples purely off the top of my head: what if he's the product of a nasty divorce? What if he sustains some kind of expensive and horrific injury? What if he wants his children to be financially stable for the rest of their lives based on his hard work? Never fault a guy for wanting to maximize his earnings. ESPECIALLY a guy who does what Tom has done for this team. To say that someone doesn't NEED the money is foolish. At this point, the best the team could do for him is an extension to free up the cap space. They don't him to take the vet minimum in order to do that. Nor should he want to take it at 39 with the abuse he's going to take through a 16 game season then (hopefully) three more through the playoffs.

1)He's the best in the world at what he does currently. He should be compensated as such... He should be? He disagrees with you. He was never the highest paid athlete in the NFL ... Put your number here, maybe Tom read this post if he need a better agent/financial analyst.

2)I haven't seen a report about him taking such a massive pay cut or even approaching the Patriots with a willingness to do it. ... HYPOTHETICAL BIG F-U... Arent you using yout brain?

3) Nasty divorce? With the wife that is richer than him LOL. Combined Net Worth$550 Million in 2015 ($140m Brady - $410 Giselle ) She should be afraid...

4)Harsh? Lol you are a p... if you think i will get resentful for your opinion... Sorry if that sounds harsh ... Its My Opinion

 

[Husse]

So he cant take less money but it isnt fair? He, Kraft and BB can do whatever they want. He is a grown man, rich.

´´ I want to take less money to play with better players, my wife dont have a salary cap and im rich enough``, how can they punish him or the Patriots for that?

You assume the NFL's punishments are based on actual reason. I think the last few years gives evidence to the contrary.

 

[IllegalContact]

I love this idea. Although, it would require outside-the-box thinking particularly on Tom's behalf.

not at all.....simply turn the entire years salary (minus the minimum) into a roster bonus

 

[sb1]

I think it's probably best if they just lay low, play football, and not get into FU's to anybody.

As we all have seen over the past year 345 Park Avenue holds all the cards and certain teams have a lot of pull with the league. More than Kraft does anyway. I have no doubt that all it would take is one team to complain or to get nudged into complaining about something asinine and there will be a push to ban Belichick from the NFL which I think is the ultimate goal for a lot of people in the league.

The narrative is in our favor now let's keep it that way.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'll preface this by saying this is something Brady could do for the team, not something he necessarily should. He's already been incredibly selfless and generous throughout his career in regards to his salary and shouldn't be expected by anyone to take even less than he already has. No matter how many hundreds of millions he and his wife have combined, it's still a lot of money to leave on the table. ​

Think about it. If Brady was somehow willing to take yet another paycut, this time for the vet minimum... According to Miguel, that would create an additional $8.15 million in cap space: twitter.com/patscap/status/700149285698994176

That additional $8m, while not a perfect remedy for the lost draft picks, would help minimize it tremendously.

The Pats could sign a big difference maker(s) with that extra leeway (and likely contribute immediately)

It would be a huge F-U to Goodell, the owners and a lot of the league who currently LOVE the fact the Pats lost a 1st rounder and still hope to see Brady suspended for 4 games.

I disagree, given the way the media spins things this would be taken as an apology by Brady to the team and they would claim he gave the money back out of guilt to make up for the loss of the first round pick. Brady has already taken enough home town discounts, just extend his deal at a fair price and redo the other necessary deals to create room as needed.

 

[Kontradiction]

1)He's the best in the world at what he does currently. He should be compensated as such... He should be? He disagrees with you. He was never the highest paid athlete in the NFL ... Put your number here, maybe Tom read this post if he need a better agent/financial analyst.

Where did I say highest paid athlete in the NFL? You're constructing a straw man. What I stated was that he should be compensated for his talents. Tom's taken multiple discounts over the years but he's still been highly paid during that time. I don't suspect he's going to be willing to do the vet minimum then go out and get throttled by 300+ pound guys that run a sub 5.0 40 yard dash.

2)I haven't seen a report about him taking such a massive pay cut or even approaching the Patriots with a willingness to do it. ... HYPOTHETICAL BIG F-U... Arent you using yout brain?

Reading comprehension is an issue here. I stated that he currently agrees from where we are sitting. If he didn't, he'd probably approach the team or would have done so already. As it stands, the best we can hope for is an extension. So yes, this is a hypothetical. Because the idea that he's going to play for the vet minimum comes from Fantasy Land.

3) Nasty divorce? With the wife that is richer than him LOL. Combined Net Worth$550 Million in 2015 ($140m Brady - $410 Giselle ) She should be afraid...

That means little to nothing. A divorce proceeding, particularly a nasty one that involves a custody battle could very easily put a hurting on Brady's pocket.

4)Harsh? Lol you are a p... if you think i will get resentful for your opinion... Sorry if that sounds harsh ... Its My Opinion

Eh, you never know. Some people are little *****es when it comes to using foul language in a debate. Glad you're not one of them.

 

[borisman]

I love this idea. Although, it would require outside-the-box thinking particularly on Tom's behalf.

He could have an under the table deal where he would acquire a certain % of team ownership. Once he reaches, say $50 million in profit, he would then sell his share of the team back to Bob/Jonathan.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He could have an under the table deal where he would acquire a certain % of team ownership. Once he reaches, say $50 million in profit, he would then sell his share of the team back to Bob/Jonathan.

That's a major cap violation. Just because the Broncos got away with it we shouldn't think that the Patriots would.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's a major cap violation. Just because the Broncos got away with it we shouldn't think that the Patriots would.

Yea the Broncos deferred payments to their players.

The Pats could do that with Brady but yes, they would no doubt get hammered by the league for doing so.