How to improve game-day threads?

[Kontradiction]

What do you expect, we played our worst game of the season. There's some posters who do go over the deep end, but you're not locked in to that specific thread. There are other threads that people can join if they don't like what they're seeing in the gameday thread.

To me, the reason why I don't have much of a problem is because we played horrible. Our team deserved to be criticized because of their performance. If we had played a decent game and yet people were still going over the deep end, then I see a validity in discussing this issue.

Again, there is a difference between logical criticism of the team and taking it too far. Suggesting that Brady get benched for Hoyer or stating that Gronk's fumbling problem is getting out of control is taking it too far. This: "Brady is having a bad day, but a lot of that seems to be the fault of the receivers", and, "Gronk is looking like a rookie out there today" is a form of logical criticism. The parts I posted before that are not.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Well I guess you showed him...LOL (which is what he is doing to you).

Well I had to go out on some business. I guess some have reading comprehension problems.

But to quote a movie line " don't bring a knife to a gun fight".

BTW, I don't see what you were talking about. It seemed to have disappeared.

 

[condon84]

Again, there is a difference between logical criticism of the team and taking it too far. Suggesting that Brady get benched for Hoyer or stating that Gronk's fumbling problem is getting out of control is taking it too far. This: "Brady is having a bad day, but a lot of that seems to be the fault of the receivers", and, "Gronk is looking like a rookie out there today" is a form of logical criticism. The parts I posted before that are not.

I don't disagree with you about people taking too far. But you're making it sound like majority of the posts on there were illogical. Majority of them were negative, but fair observations. The illogical posts were not as prevalent and were confined to a few posters who may have had too much of the happy sauce.

 

[Joker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoWs8ER6PJo

Do the Trouser Press Baby!!!

 

[Deus Irae]

Again, there is a difference between logical criticism of the team and taking it too far. Suggesting that Brady get benched for Hoyer or stating that Gronk's fumbling problem is getting out of control is taking it too far. This: "Brady is having a bad day, but a lot of that seems to be the fault of the receivers", and, "Gronk is looking like a rookie out there today" is a form of logical criticism. The parts I posted before that are not.

Most people aren't doing in-depth analysis on a game thread. We've got some long-term, quality posters who get to looking skyward in those threads. It happens.

 

[Nikolai]

I have agree with most of what you have posted in this thread. But I draw the line here.

Stuff is awesome with fresh horseradish.

I hate horseradish too. I don't know if we're going to see eye-to-eye on food. Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[reflexblue]

Patriots Planet? Where a former annoying PatsFans message board poster left to?

I think (he who shall not be named ) was banned there too.

 

[ATippett56]

I think (he who shall not be named ) was banned there too.

At least "he who shall not be named" is consistent!

 

[reflexblue]

At least "he who shall not be named" is consistent!

Yes hwsnbn is a sharing kind of guy. :singing:

 

[alamo]

I suspect the posters who think that this thread is attacking it's rational though negative criticisms have spent little time in the threads which are under attack.

And if you say "that happens watching with friends at home too", then you need to get smarter friends. I know when I am watching with friends, comments like "game over" when the Pats give up a first-series TD are met by ridicule. Someone being mocked in person for stupidity stops acting stupid a lot more quickly than on a message board.

But noone has really discussed the likely causes.

1. Someone has money on the game.
2. Someone is drinking.
3. Someone is actually still in high school, not just acting like they are.
4. General trollism. This is what most people assume is the problem, but I am not so sure the others I listed aren't a bigger cause.

Any solution has to take account of the causes.

 

[Deus Irae]

And if you say "that happens watching with friends at home too", then you need to get smarter friends. I know when I am watching with friends, comments like "game over" when the Pats give up a first-series TD are met by ridicule. Someone being mocked in person for stupidity stops acting stupid a lot more quickly than on a message board.

1.) Intelligence has nothing to do with it. It's emotional responses to something in real time.

2.) It was made pretty clear by how the game unfolded that the people saying "Game over" after that first fumble were a lot closer to right than the rest of us who were telling them to relax. Call it blind squirrel syndrome if you will, but that's how it shook out yesterday.

 

[SuperPatsFan]

I suspect the posters who think that this thread is attacking it's rational though negative criticisms have spent little time in the threads which are under attack.

And if you say "that happens watching with friends at home too", then you need to get smarter friends. I know when I am watching with friends, comments like "game over" when the Pats give up a first-series TD are met by ridicule. Someone being mocked in person for stupidity stops acting stupid a lot more quickly than on a message board.

But noone has really discussed the likely causes.

1. Someone has money on the game.
2. Someone is drinking.
3. Someone is actually still in high school, not just acting like they are.
4. General trollism. This is what most people assume is the problem, but I am not so sure the others I listed aren't a bigger cause.

Any solution has to take account of the causes.

Yes, I've long suspected this board has a higher percentage of midday drunks than most. :halo:

 

[alamo]

1.) Intelligence has nothing to do with it. It's emotional responses to something in real time.

In real life people who can't moderate their emotional responses often suffer consequences.

2.) It was made pretty clear by how the game unfolded that the people saying "Game over" after that first fumble were a lot closer to right than the rest of us who were telling them to relax. Call it blind squirrel syndrome if you will, but that's how it shook out yesterday.

That is an after-the-fact excuse, not a reasonable defense for such behavior.

 

[Deus Irae]

In real life people who can't moderate their emotional responses often suffer consequences.

Calling someone "stupid" and the like, as in your example, isn't really a significant consequence. It's certainly not all that much different than what happens in the game threads, except for the limitations of response imposed by TOS.

That is an after-the-fact excuse, not a reasonable defense for such behavior.

It's not an excuse at all, and it wasn't meant that way. It's a factual point brought up to note that such people were closer to right than those of us who were telling them to relax. As I said, put it down to blind squirrel syndrome if you will.

It's not as if this is something new, after all. I still remember some of the 2007 game threads, and cries of "We Suck!" when another team would manage to get a completion, or a first down, even as the team was on the way to 16-0. I'm with you on this for the most part, in that I think it's ridiculous for people to react that way. I've called people out for that stuff on more than one occasion. I just find it a bit silly to think that there has to be a pow wow to figure out how to deal with it when the ignore function is part of the message board toolbox.

 

[The Brandon Five]

I tried posting in a game thread once but I kept spilling beer on the laptop. Now I just watch the game and drink.

:eat2:

 

[TheComeback]

It's not an excuse at all, and it wasn't meant that way. It's a factual point brought up to note that such people were closer to right than those of us who were telling them to relax. As I said, put it down to blind squirrel syndrome if you will.

Ridiculous. We didn't lose the game because of one fumble. We were only down by 10 at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. The people who said to relax were right--we had many more opportunities to win the game after that play, and it hardly defined the game.

I have no idea what you're even getting at here, other than trying to be as disagreeable as possible.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ridiculous. We didn't lose the game because of one fumble. We were only down by 10 at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. The people who said to relax were right--we had many more opportunities to win the game after that play, and it hardly defined the game.

I have no idea what you're even getting at here, other than trying to be as disagreeable as possible.

I was one of the people trying to calm down the bridge jumpers:

Ok, only down 10-7 and the Patriots haven't played well yet. Perhaps the weeping and gnashing of teeth can be toned down a notch for the moment.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/19/692646-official-patriots-vs-browns-game-thread-page12.html#post2327125

However, those who found the first few minutes to be a portent of things to come, and began with the "game over" stuff were right this time, albeit hyperbolic and over-the-top, as the results demonstrated. I'm sorry that you can't see what I'm "getting at", but my acknowledging that they were correct is certainly not me trying to be disagreeable.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

In marked contrast to the gameday thread crew which sadly punts the entire game at the 1st Pats misque, I had the pleasure of watching this game with Randy Pierce 2001 FOTY and Karen (Mrs Bruschi) another Pats FOTY and 36 other Pats fans guests at Randy's Bruschi shrine home in NH. Randy lost his sight years ago followed by losing the ability to walk (from which after a couple years of battle against medical outlook he completely recovered) and it gives him a never say die perspective on life and of course the trivia of Pats games. Always figuring ways the Pats can recover untill his engineering mind computes that there's not enough time left for a rational # of possessions left. Not everyone needs to be such an upsider. I'm certainly not one but I must say it's much more pleasureable to watch a game where bitter over the top invective doesn't permeate the room. Not that some folks (moi) didn't throw their Pats hats on the floor and such after plays.

A feature where you could select with which posters you wished to thread the game with would be wicked pissah.

Randy's charity as he raises money by climbing all NH's 4000 foot peaks...

2020 Vision Quest

 

[TheComeback]

I was one of the people trying to calm down the bridge jumpers:



http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/19/692646-official-patriots-vs-browns-game-thread-page12.html#post2327125

However, those who found the first few minutes to be a portent of things to come, and began with the "game over" stuff were right this time, albeit hyperbolic and over-the-top, as the results demonstrated. I'm sorry that you can't see what I'm "getting at", but my acknowledging that they were correct is certainly not me trying to be disagreeable.

I wasn't accusing you of being one of "those" people. I know you at least think things through before you say them.

Having said that, I think claiming that these people were "right" is still a huge stretch. They claimed the game was over at that moment, but it wasn't. We lost not because of that one bad play, but because of many others. It's never correct to overreact to anything in a game, positive or negative, and proclaiming a game over in the 1st quarter is the definition of overreaction.

 

[WinstonSmith]

Only allow snarky ad hominem comments to be posted in iambic pentameter.
At least the pig would be sporting a decent shade of lipstick:

Of Moss’ first disobedience, and the fruit
Of that forbidden tree whose mortal taste
Brought death into the World, and all our woe.