How long do you think RG3 will last in the NFL?

[BradyFTW!]

Wow can you imagine if he ends up missing 12-14 months (as the speculation out there is ) The Giants will have no competition in the NFC East and the lucky Bas***s will win the NFC East again

The Cowboys finished 2nd in the NFC East this year.

 

[Deus Irae]

Report: MRI suggests at least partial tears of ACL, LCL for Griffin | ProFootballTalk
Robert Griffin III has partial tears of ACL and LCL, MRI suggests

Wouldn't be surprised if it's worse than that.

"Partial tear of ACL" is essentially no different from "ACL is completely shredded" when it comes to healing v. surgery for a football player in the modern times, so he's looking at 6-12 months recovery based on that alone. A partial PCL tear can often be healed with rest and rehab, but a full tear could actually put this kid's long-term prospects in some jeopardy.

Best wishes to Mr. Griffin.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

As much as I hate Deadspin, this is actually a pretty good summary of how the LCL/ACL tear, 14-18 month timeline became a talking point:

Fred Smoot Is The One Spreading All Those Rumors About Robert Griffin III's Shredded Knee

Basically, there's no credible source that's said that, and now everyone's trying to throw everyone else under the bus, because no source wants to admit that it published a story based on absolutely nothing. Great case study in how worthless 95% of the media is nowadays.

A point worth repeating over and over and over and..........

 

[Bella*chick]

Oh, it gets even better. More rumors down here are saying that RG3 actually sprained his ACL in the initial injury against the Ravens but they kept it quiet (Robert's idea).

It is an absolute ****storm down here.

 

[PatriotSeven]

Oh, it gets even better. More rumors down here are saying that RG3 actually sprained his ACL in the initial injury against the Ravens but they kept it quiet (Robert's idea).

It is an absolute ****storm down here.

That was my fear. If they have been playing him on a damaged ACL, and either refused to say it or misdiagnosed him, then that would compound the problem. However, we do need to remember he played 2 full games and his running, while limited, was still ok.

Really, from what I saw, the real damage was done during the second touchdown where he caught up his knee underneath him the wrong way while falling down on the sideline. I think this was a new injury which could have happened with or without the previous one. It was that awkward fall that they didn't pay enough attention to and possibly thought he just aggravated his injury when in reality he might have torn something else.

As far as the final one, that could have happened while he was bending over to pick up his helmet on the sidelines.

 

[Tunescribe]

As exciting as they can be to watch, I think the jury's still out on the ability of running/option QBs to survive in the NFL.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Read a story last night that said that the LCL and ACL are definitely torn, they just can't quantify the extent of the damage based on the latest MRI because of the 2009 surgery which resulted in two screws and a rubber band as part of that reconstruction... He's seeing Andrews to get a T3 MRI (as opposed to the standard 1.5T) because the resolution is superior. If that doesn't settle it they may have to do an exploratory scoping of the knee and determine a course of action from there. Then the decision becomes do you just continue the procedure or do you back off and wait for the swelling to abate.

He had an MRI 4 weeks ago that reportedly showed no structural damage anywhere in that knee. Yet they somehow seem hung up at the moment on deciphering when/how any new damage occurred.

I was wondering if Shanny still keeps a lie detector in his office. They should all have to undergo an exam...

 

[Bella*chick]

Although nothing has been confirmed, you have to think there is ACL damage at this point. I had heard PCL as well earlier and that would obviously be absolutely devastating but I've not heard it since. Who knows if anyone will ever know the real truth. Shanahan is obviously of the BB None of Your Damn Business School. Personally, I don't think he's as good at it as BB. Listening to his pressers he just screams LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE, but that's probably just my BB bias coming through.

I think it is also obvious the initial injury was a little more than a grade 1 LCL sprain. He was supposed to be getting better and better but he just got worse and worse.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Wow can you imagine if he ends up missing 12-14 months (as the speculation out there is ) The Giants will have no competition in the NFC East and the lucky Bas***s will win the NFC East again

Depends on how the offseason goes but as of today the Cowboys would be my pick to win the NFCE. They finished ahead of NYG this year and head to head looked superior (SHOULD have swept them). Plus Dallas was 0-2 against the skins while NYG was 1-1, so a no RG3 scenario would in theory favor Dallas more, and it's been rumored that the Giants may need to cut ties with Tuck and others.

 

[PatriotSeven]

Although nothing has been confirmed, you have to think there is ACL damage at this point. I had heard PCL as well earlier and that would obviously be absolutely devastating but I've not heard it since. Who knows if anyone will ever know the real truth. Shanahan is obviously of the BB None of Your Damn Business School. Personally, I don't think he's as good at it as BB. Listening to his pressers he just screams LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE, but that's probably just my BB bias coming through.

I think it is also obvious the initial injury was a little more than a grade 1 LCL sprain. He was supposed to be getting better and better but he just got worse and worse.

I don't know. To me he looked pretty much the same as he was for the past couple of weeks until this happened:



I still think this did all the damage and the way he went down there it's something that I think could create a tear whether he was previously injured or not. He started getting worse after this play.

I guess we'll hear more about it today.

 

[chasa]

its crazy that they let him stay in the game. Watching him hobble around like that.

 

[Kontradiction]

As exciting as they can be to watch, I think the jury's still out on the ability of running/option QBs to survive in the NFL.

I disagree. You've seen it time and time again with Michael Vick's fragile health which is no doubt also hurting from the amount of shots he's taken from professional athletes over the years. If it's still out to you, then give it some time. If Griffin is allowed to keep leaving the pocket and taking off like that, the same thing will happen to him too. The only reason I have doubts about him in the future is because he's more than capable of being a pocket passer in this league.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Read a story last night that said that the LCL and ACL are definitely torn, they just can't quantify the extent of the damage based on the latest MRI because of the 2009 surgery which resulted in two screws and a rubber band as part of that reconstruction... He's seeing Andrews to get a T3 MRI (as opposed to the standard 1.5T) because the resolution is superior. If that doesn't settle it they may have to do an exploratory scoping of the knee and determine a course of action from there. Then the decision becomes do you just continue the procedure or do you back off and wait for the swelling to abate.

He had an MRI 4 weeks ago that reportedly showed no structural damage anywhere in that knee. Yet they somehow seem hung up at the moment on deciphering when/how any new damage occurred.

I was wondering if Shanny still keeps a lie detector in his office. They should all have to undergo an exam...

It feels kinda absurd that we're discussing the possibility that a coach knowingly let his franchise QB, who the team already mortgaged its future for, play on an already-torn ACL... in any circumstances, let alone on that field. Really a testament to how inept the Redskins are, from top to bottom, that this is even a debate.

I think it's also a testament to one of the greater benefits of having a coach with job security. If Shanahan doesn't qualify for this ('five year plan' and whatnot), then I think we can safely say that Belichick is the only coach in the league, at this point, who truly has it. You think Belichick would risk the franchise with that kind of short-term (or no-term) thinking? Of course not. He has the luxury of thinking in the long term, because he knows he's going to be here until he no longer wants to be here.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It feels kinda absurd that we're discussing the possibility that a coach knowingly let his franchise QB, who the team already mortgaged its future for, play on an already-torn ACL... in any circumstances, let alone on that field. Really a testament to how inept the Redskins are, from top to bottom, that this is even a debate.

I think it's also a testament to one of the greater benefits of having a coach with job security. If Shanahan doesn't qualify for this ('five year plan' and whatnot), then I think we can safely say that Belichick is the only coach in the league, at this point, who truly has it. You think Belichick would risk the franchise with that kind of short-term (or no-term) thinking? Of course not. He has the luxury of thinking in the long term, because he knows he's going to be here until he no longer wants to be here.

Plus let's not forget that FedEx Field did not have the best turf in the NFL.

Heck, a couple of losses (plus TFB's lobbying) was enough to get Field Turf installed. Imagine what would have happened if TFB's ACL tear was not from a hit but rather from a ****** field.

 

[Bella*chick]

I don't know. To me he looked pretty much the same as he was for the past couple of weeks until this happened:



I still think this did all the damage and the way he went down there it's something that I think could create a tear whether he was previously injured or not. He started getting worse after this play.

I guess we'll hear more about it today.

He came out strong, but Aikman even noted he looked worse during pregame warmups than he did during the Dallas game. Bottom line he went down twice without contact. They were trying to say his knee was 100% (and if it was a grade 1 LCL sprain it should have been close to that by now as they said that's a 2-4 week recovery) and the brace was precautionary. It so clearly was not. 100% knees do not go out like that.

 

[wistahpatsfan]

RGIII To Have More Tests Done On Thing That Used To Be Knee | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[thenepatsrule]

Seems like he will need LCL surgery

RG3 scheduled for knee surgery to repair LCL damage - NFL.com

A high-ranking team source told NFL.com's Jeff Darlington that Griffin will indeed have surgery on his lateral collateral ligament. During that surgery, he'll have his anterior cruciate ligament evaluated by Dr. James Andrews, at which point he'll determine if more surgery is necessary. The surgery is currently scheduled for this week, although an exact time is not yet set.

 

[lurker1965]

We saw his last game as an effective QB. Shanny would be shot, but RG3 was only a cornball brother.

 

[Tunescribe]

I disagree. You've seen it time and time again with Michael Vick's fragile health which is no doubt also hurting from the amount of shots he's taken from professional athletes over the years. If it's still out to you, then give it some time. If Griffin is allowed to keep leaving the pocket and taking off like that, the same thing will happen to him too. The only reason I have doubts about him in the future is because he's more than capable of being a pocket passer in this league.

Let me clarify: by saying the jury's still out, I meant to suggest it's doubtful that general style of play has a solid future in the league. It might survive on a limited basis as part of an offensive package in the red zone, for instance, or in limited down-and-distance situations. But as an every-down system, I absolutely agree that it'll physically ruin every quarterback sooner than later.

 

[Gwedd]

He's likely got a few years left if he can learn to stay in the pocket with only the occasional foray outside in extremis situations. Otherwise, he's one Bollard hit away from retirement, and maybe never walking right again.

More than anything else, though, Snyder needs to be reamed but good by the league for the condition of that field. It's a disgrace.