How long do you think RG3 will last in the NFL?

[thenepatsrule]

Excuse me injuries are part of the game but this should be noted RGIII is already a avery good passer and with his legs he is double lethal...that knee injury is unfortunate for him but he will heal. I will add that Giants Defense that made Tom Brady scared and uncomfortable was absolutely clueless vs RGIII. He's something special and will grow this his talents down the road will be unmatched...mark it down.

So what you are saying is if a QB is hit hard and can hardly stand you would still send him in and risk his future as well as your teams chances because injuries are a part of the game? Where is the common sense in that.... Look at what the Vikings did with Ponder

 

[JJDChE]

And that list made me laugh, for anyone who'd use that example: Dan Marino is on it.

Find me a quarterback who is JUST known for his running ability without having another superior passing game trait....that is successful...for a long time... and I'll tell you it'd be the first time.

That's a pretty ridiculous stipulation for a QB. If a QB was known JUST for his running ability he wouldn't be a QB.

 

[Bella*chick]

So Shanny had a press conference and BB would have given him an A for not saying anything. He claims (untruthfully, I'm sure) that he doesn't know anything about RG's knee, but he's going to be examined by Dr. Andrews tomorrow.

I think most likely re-injured his ACL. At the very least anyway.

 

[SoCal Bong]

During the WEEI BB interview just a few minutes ago, they interrupted to say RG3 has torn ACL & PCL and I thought Ordway said out 14-18 months! Did I hear that right?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

During the WEEI BB interview just a few minutes ago, they interrupted to say RG3 has torn ACL & PCL and I thought Ordway said out 14-18 months! Did I hear that right?

Sounds like a rumor, not fact.

And any sort of timeline for recovery is an estimate, at best. After all, I remember some folks (Esiason?) saying that Welker's 2009 ACL tear would cost him the entire 2010 season.

 

[edboc]

https://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980/status/288388675434332160

Richmond TV station: Sources close to Skins camp say RG3 has torn ACL& PCL & will not play for a min of 14-18 months.

 

[randomk1]

https://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980/status/288388675434332160

Richmond TV station: Sources close to Skins camp say RG3 has torn ACL& PCL & will not play for a min of 14-18 months.

Well that blows if ture. Why is there such long timetable for a return considering what guys like AP,Welker did and the stress they take?

No clue on ligaments but i'm assuming that the PCL tear is the big thing there?

 

[Deus Irae]

Man, people are cold and creative...... I saw this on another site:

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Four thoughts and a question, assuming that the early reports are correctand RGIII will miss all of next season.

A loss not just for the Redskins and their fans, but for the NFL.

From the comfort of my NYC living room on Sunday, I could see that the guy didn't belong in the game. What was Shanahan thinking? What was RGIII thinking? What was Dr. Andrews thinking? None of them were thinking.

Selfishly, one less team to keep the Giants out of the Playoffs and a chance to play a "Home" SB next season.

Just when it looked like Dan Snyder had finally somehow done something right when it comes to betting the farm and giving a player a big contract...

Wasn't the fact that he had already blown the knee out in College a warning sign, especially given his style of play? (Question, because I just don't know.)

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Kirk Cousins is a talented backup QB,He can't do the things RGIII did,but he is certainly capable of starting for this team and winning enough games to get them back into the playoffs in 2013.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The thing about Griffin is that, unlike Vick (who OP used as a comparable), he seems to have both the arm and the intellect to be a 'real' quarterback. Based on that, I think his career will last a fair bit longer than reactionary folks today would bet on. He will have to adapt his style of play. He may need a coach with a functioning brain and an ounce of integrity (Shanahan clearly has neither, at this point). But even if his game has to change as he ages, I wouldn't bet against him being able to do it.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Steve Young has said that he never would have made it in the league if he hadn't learned to stay in the pocket more and to learn when to run and when not to run.

Randall Cunningham went from a guy getting 942 yards rushing on 118 tries to a guy getting 110 yards rushing on 18 tries in just 2 seasons, and to never again carrying more than 65 times in a season, and that was in the middle of his career, not the very end.

RGIII will learn the same thing that Young did, or he'll be done, in terms of being a legitimate starter, far more quickly than need be.

Agreed- I dunno where people are getting it in their heads that a) RG3 doesn't have the skills to be a pocket passer, and b) there isn't historical precedent for quarterbacks making the transition that he needs to make.

Apparently these are people who didn't watch the Redskins play this season and have very little knowledge of the history of the game.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Wow, that's a little harsh. Not sure he is deserving of all of this hate.

Shanahan did play him in 2 back to back games, had doctor approval for those and this game, and RG3 was ok. Besides, I'm pretty sure RG3 wouldn't have wanted it any other way especially with the way Kirk has been playing. The idea that Cousins could come in, carry the team further into the playoffs and potentially losing his job didn't sit well with RG3 either. Unfortunately he didn't think about the fact it could cost him more than just the starting job for the Redskins.

What I'm more concerned with is if the initial MRI was a tear, rather than a sprain and someone missed the boat completely doing serious damage to his knee.

Shanahan also lied and said that he put Griffin back in in the Baltimore game because Dr. James Andrews cleared him (which Andrews later refuted). From here on out, I'm taking anything that Shanahan has to saw with a grain of salt, to put it kindly. I agree with the many other posters on this thread who think that he should have been fired today.

You don't send out an already-reinjured franchise quarterback to play on a severely destabilized knee on a painted-dirt field. And if you insist on putting your franchise QB at risk in this way, you sure as hell don't shirk accountability by lying and claiming that the doctors cleared him to go.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Excuse me injuries are part of the game but this should be noted RGIII is already a avery good passer and with his legs he is double lethal...that knee injury is unfortunate for him but he will heal. I will add that Giants Defense that made Tom Brady scared and uncomfortable was absolutely clueless vs RGIII. He's something special and will grow this his talents down the road will be unmatched...mark it down.

RGIII runs his passing game off the threat of his run. This is, in large part, what makes him so successful. That isn't a knock on him, this is simply the fact of his success. And when he became injured to the point of not being an acute running threat, the skills needed to run their passing game successfully changed. Carol Pete said as much in his post game comments 'we could now drop back in our normal coverage when we saw his running was hampered'. Washington never threatened the Seahawks after their initial two scores (to the best of my recollection).

RGIII may be a great pocket passer but it has never been proven because he has never really done it. He has not faced to any extent defenses that are playing him like they would play a drop back passer. And considering this is elimination football and it was obvious that RGIII was not going to be running, and the Seahawks obviously knew it, and he was obviously hurt/injured, and the Skins could barely muster a first down after the 1st quarter.... Shanny not taking him out and going with an alternative QB has to be the dumbest HC move I have seen in the playoffs in 25 years of NFL watching.

 

[BradyFTW!]

His best case scenario.... Daunte Culpepper. Another big QB with decent passing skills who was also a running threat. Eventually, the extra hits wore him down and within the space of 5-7 years, he was basically an average QB or worse.

Durability is also an issue with these guys.

In 11 seasons, he only started 16 games 3 times. You could even compare him to Jake Plummer, another guy who could throw but also was a threat as a runner. He only started 16 games 4 times in a 10 year career.

I think I've been doing those types of QBs a disservice as well as confusing the issue by calling them scrambling QBs. Scramblers move the pocket while still completing the pass. These guys are runners.

How did you arrive at Culpepper as a comparable? Their frames and playing styles aren't even remotely similar. Culpepper had 2 inches and 40 pounds on Griffin - if anything, he was a beta version of Cam Newton - slower, less capable, and less intelligent, but some similarities in general style.

Culpepper never ran an offense like the one Griffin runs, at least in part because he was poorly suited for it both mentally and physically. He was also terrible at reading coverages, and never experienced an ounce of NFL success without an in-his-prime Randy Moss bailing him out and allowing him to face some of the easiest-to-read coverages in recent NFL history.

 

[BradyFTW!]

RGIII runs his passing game off the threat of his run. This is, in large part, what makes him so successful. That isn't a knock on him, this is simply the fact of his success. And when he became injured to the point of not being an acute running threat, the skills needed to run their passing game successfully changed. Carol Pete said as much in his post game comments 'we could now drop back in our normal coverage when we saw his running was hampered'. Washington never threatened the Seahawks after here initial two scores (to the best of my recollection).

RGIII may be a great pocket passer but it has never been proven because he has never really done it. He has not faced to any extent defenses that are playing him like they would play a drop back passer. And considering this is elimination football and it was obvious that RGIII was not going to be running, and the Seahawks obviously knew it, and he was obviously hurt/injured, and the Skins could barely muster a first down after the 1st quarter.... Shanny not taking him out and going with an alternative QB has to be the dumbest HC move I have seen in the playoffs in 25 years of NFL watching.

I think the biggest problem for Washington's offense wasn't that Griffin wasn't much of a running threat, but rather that his passing mechanics were totally screwed up by the injury. Receivers were getting open, but he was missing them. Makes sense, I can't imagine that it was easy for anyone to plant and throw on that field, let alone a QB playing on one leg.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I think the biggest problem for Washington's offense wasn't that Griffin wasn't much of a running threat, but rather that his passing mechanics were totally screwed up by the injury. Receivers were getting open, but he was missing them. Makes sense, I can't imagine that it was easy for anyone to plant and throw on that field, let alone a QB playing on one leg.

Could be, hard to be certain though you are more likely right. But RGIII's successful passing this year has largely been based on the potent threat of his running the ball. Receivers being open because defenders are out of position based on their focus on his running threat. Blitzers having to ease up to cover gaps is now gone. How many games this year had RGIII faced a defense that a coach said 'we just dropped back in coverage and didn't worry about him running'?

As I mentioned before, this is no knock on him. A rookie does not come into the NFL and operate a drop back passing game at a high level. It's akin to asking a freshly graduated medical student to perform complicated surgery on a dying patient. Their experience and training just isn't likely at that level yet. IMHO once the Skins were behind and the Hawks defense was no longer playing on the threat of RGIII running, even if he could still pass the ball as he normally does, why would someone believe he was going to lead them back for the needed scores and the win? He would have had to do it based on circumstances he has largely never experienced. Again no knock on RGIII, just reality of the situation....

 

[mayoclinic]

Report: MRI suggests at least partial tears of ACL, LCL for Griffin | ProFootballTalk
Robert Griffin III has partial tears of ACL and LCL, MRI suggests

Wouldn't be surprised if it's worse than that.

 

[thenepatsrule]

Report: MRI suggests at least partial tears of ACL, LCL for Griffin | ProFootballTalk
Robert Griffin III has partial tears of ACL and LCL, MRI suggests

Wouldn't be surprised if it's worse than that.

Wow can you imagine if he ends up missing 12-14 months (as the speculation out there is ) The Giants will have no competition in the NFC East and the lucky Bas***s will win the NFC East again

 

[BradyFTW!]

Report: MRI suggests at least partial tears of ACL, LCL for Griffin | ProFootballTalk
Robert Griffin III has partial tears of ACL and LCL, MRI suggests

Wouldn't be surprised if it's worse than that.

As much as I hate Deadspin, this is actually a pretty good summary of how the LCL/ACL tear, 14-18 month timeline became a talking point:

Fred Smoot Is The One Spreading All Those Rumors About Robert Griffin III's Shredded Knee

Basically, there's no credible source that's said that, and now everyone's trying to throw everyone else under the bus, because no source wants to admit that it published a story based on absolutely nothing. Great case study in how worthless 95% of the media is nowadays.