How High For Castonzo and Carimi?

[mgteich]

How high would you draft Castanzo or Carimi? They seem to be an alternative to Watkins in the first for us. All three are lineman who can play more than one position. Pouncey is the other option.

Smith should be long gone by 17. Castanzo and/or Carimi will be there into the 20's. Both seem to have the ability to play RG or RT. Some believe they also could be future LT's.

In my mind, the LT need is not severe since I expect that we will re-sign Light or move Vollmer to LT, with Kaczur as the swing man backup at both LT and RT.

We could get one of these with a move up from 28 or 33. I presume that 17 or a trade down from 17 will be used for a DE.

 

[upstater1]

Castonzo could go top 15.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Don't see the fit.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Neither Wisconsin, BC or Baylor run a zone blocking scheme so it is really hard to see how any of these players fit our scheme.

But it is important to note that Dante brought the inferno to BC and personally worked out Costanza much like he did with Vollmer.

Add to that the fact that Light is still playing at a fairly high level, definitely signable and we do have the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL and in my mind, it screams defense in the first round.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Neither Wisconsin, BC or Baylor run a zone blocking scheme so it is really hard to see how any of these players fit our scheme.

But it is important to note that Dante brought the inferno to BC and personally worked out Costanza much like he did with Vollmer.

Add to that the fact that Light is still playing at a fairly high level, definitely signable and we do have the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL and in my mind, it screams defense in the first round.

Completely agree. Further, there isn't a tackle or guard in this draft that carries a first round grade imo.

 

[b72s]

my guess is the thought procss would the depth of DL is the 6th best dl better than Castonzo or Carimi.
This woul dbe pats thought ptrocess or BPA.

Some may draft for need with weak OL Dallas et al.

I am wodering if Pats decide to take best OL if they value is better than Cam Jorda.

I still want Jordan though as Dante can coach them all up.

 

[Wilfork#75]

I think another thing to take into consideration is the strength of the OT class next year. There will be at least 3, and possibly 5 or 6 OT's that could be rated higher than any OT in this years draft. I think Light will be back, so I would prefer to wait to take an OT in 2012, rather than reach for one this year.

 

[scout]

I think another thing to take into consideration is the strength of the OT class next year. There will be at least 3, and possibly 5 or 6 OT's that could be rated higher than any OT in this years draft. I think Light will be back, so I would prefer to wait to take an OT in 2012, rather than reach for one this year.

I would put odds on that also have two #1's next year.

 

[Wilfork#75]

I would put odds on that also have two #1's next year.

If we can address the defensive front 7 in 2011, the 2012 draft seems perfect to get an impact WR and OT. I know its very early but it looks like good depth and talent at both of those positions. My ideal draft would be LT Jonathan Martin from Stanford and WR Alshon Jeffery from South Carolina.

 

[Uncle Rico]

This thread confirms some sense of what I'm thinking re: OL: Value just isn't there for a first-round pick. I wonder if there might be an opportunity to find a team in the high to mid 20s that wants to trade up and grab an OL at 17; then the Pats can take Wilkerson or Ingram at good value and add a half decent future pick.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Neither Wisconsin, BC or Baylor run a zone blocking scheme so it is really hard to see how any of these players fit our scheme.

But it is important to note that Dante brought the inferno to BC and personally worked out Costanza much like he did with Vollmer.

Add to that the fact that Light is still playing at a fairly high level, definitely signable and we do have the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL and in my mind, it screams defense in the first round.

Ochmed,

You noted a significant point about Anthony "George Costanza" Costonzo. Dante has to sign off that he thinks the guy is coachable before they invest a high pick in an Offensive lineman. I think it is highly significant that Dante worked Costanzo out. Now maybe Anthony flunked the interview, we don't know.

But there are some certainties with Belichick/Scarnecchia. BB has publicly said, "...you draft Left Tackles high, and move them elsewhere if you need to ..." The only possible exception is a great Center, who comes along once a decade. There are none in this Draft.

The characteristic high-pick Pats O-lineman is:

a) Very smart, an Academic All American or so
b) A team leader, or team captain,
c) Able to both run block, as well as pass block,
d) Big, but not too big, and hence an immobile hulk
e) Able to get to get to the second level to block
f) Around 6-4+ and 305-310 lbs.
g) Able to accept tough Dante Coaching.
h) Drafted in the 2nd round, so Red Chippers, but not too expensive Blue Chippers.
i) A major college Senior who has been fully football schooled, and graduated.

Anthony Costanzo and possibly Nate Solder meet the criteria.

 

[VJCPatriot]

h) Drafted in the 2nd round, so Red Chippers, but not too expensive Blue Chippers.
i) A major college Senior who has been fully football schooled, and graduated.

Anthony Costanzo and possibly Nate Solder meet the criteria.

Except Costanzo won't be a 2nd rounder. I don't see the Pats using #17 on him. They have a bigger need at DE and this is THE year to pluck a great DE. Now if Costanzo lasts to #33 (he won't), I could easily see him being the pick for the Pats.

 

[A_Ghost_In_The_Machine]

Personally I don't want to see us take any OL in the first round. Now that might be because I'd much rather see a 'flashy' pick (read: pass rusher) but also because I think its a position where value is not necessarily found high in the draft. Of all the positions to play in football I think O line is the most group centered, its not about having one elite talent guy its about having 5 guys who work together in cohesion. Added to this the fact that we have IMO the best offensive line coach in the league in Dante Scarnecchia I just think that we have more pressing needs for our 1st rounders. Remember our O line for most of last season consisted of 2 2nd rounders (Light, Vollmer), a 3rd rounder (Kaczur), a 5th rounder (Koppen) and a UDFA (Connolly). As much as I like Mankins I'd argue that his impact was not huge on the play of the O line when he came back.

As for the specific players I can't really comment on Castonzo or Carimi but I wouldn't touch Pouncey. Everything I've seen and read has suggested he is not on the same level as his brother but inevitably someone is going to hope to get Maurkice v2.0 and overpay for him

 

[bucky]

This thread confirms some sense of what I'm thinking re: OL: Value just isn't there for a first-round pick. I wonder if there might be an opportunity to find a team in the high to mid 20s that wants to trade up and grab an OL at 17; then the Pats can take Wilkerson or Ingram at good value and add a half decent future pick.

I actually think Watkins at 28 is the best OL fit. Essentially, it' the Mankins pick all over again - a starter at OG from day 1, will play at a very high level, sign him for 5 years and then let another team overpay for him.

Other than that, I agree. No OT is worth a 1st rounder, though Carimi is intriguing in the 28-33 range.

 

[borg]

Castonzo is represented by CAA (Tom Condon) just like Watt. Do we cross him off the list as well.

And apparently, much of the #10-#20 talent is represented by Condon and CAA

"CAA also represents at least five sure-fire first-round picks in the NFL draft later this month: Missouri QB Blaine Gabbert, Georgia WR A.J. Green, Wisconsin DE J.J. Watt, Missouri DE Aldon Smith and Boston College OL Anthony Castonzo. (Texas CB Aaron Williams is a borderline first rounder"

"Castonzo met with those last three agencies during some time off between the end of the regular season and BC's appearance in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. After the game, Castonzo called Tom Condon to let him know he chose CAA Sports, a powerhouse agency that has an A-list of clients, headlined by Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Vikings running back Adrian Peterson"

 

[AzPatsFan]

Except Costanzo won't be a 2nd rounder. I don't see the Pats using #17 on him. They have a bigger need at DE and this is THE year to pluck a great DE. Now if Costanzo lasts to #33 (he won't), I could easily see him being the pick for the Pats.

This post is specifically about Costanzo or Carimi.

I confined my discussion of the better of those two, IMHO. However, my bet that qualifies on all counts that I listed including the second round selection, is James Carpenter from Nick Saban's Alabama. Drafted as a possible good but not great LT candidate, but likely moved to interior Guard.

He has the size and training, and is a superior run blocker, but much better as a pass blocker than most Guard candidates. He should be a second round draft pick. I have since heard that he has been contacted by the Pat's on several ocassions, including a workout with DS.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Ofcourse they brought Costanzo in for a visit. He lives right down the street. I'll rephrase this question. How low for Costanzo and Carimi? 28? 33? For me it is 60. There is talent all over place in this draft. Just not first round talent imo.

 

[MDHQ]

I think Castonzo 15-20 Carimi after 20

 

[mgteich]

Carpenter would be a fine pick, say in the 40-60 range.

This post is specifically about Costanzo or Carimi.

I confined my discussion of the better of those two, IMHO. However, my bet that qualifies on all counts that I listed including the second round selection, is James Carpenter from Nick Saban's Alabama. Drafted as a possible good but not great LT candidate, but likely moved to interior Guard.

He has the size and training, and is a superior run blocker, but much better as a pass blocker than most Guard candidates. He should be a second round draft pick. I have since heard that he has been contacted by the Pat's on several ocassions, including a workout with DS.