PATS16N0
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In the heat of their rivalry, I had a burning hatred of Peyton Manning that was based primarily on his constant sports-media propagandist machine. It was like Archie Manning had the entire ESPN payroll over every weekend for cocaine and hookers, filmed it, and had them singing his sons praises under threat of exposure.
I held his youthful indiscretions against him pretty harshly, I probably minimized his abilities in the same way people do with Tom when they seriously hate him and love some other quarterback, and -maybe above all- I always knew that we were right that Tom was better.
(Side note on minimizing someone’s abilities: You know you’re doing it when you say he sucks but when you’re playing him you’re more worried than usual).
Not sure if it’s because Tom has taken his rightful place as the indisputable GOAT in the eyes of everyone but the most deranged, the giddy, excited way I see Peyton now looking at Brady whenever I see them together, his media sycophants being vanquished, or the simple fact that he’s long gone, but I don’t despise him anymore, and feel like I can judge him in the pantheon of NFL all-time quarterbacks more fairly than I would have before.
Today Tom is chasing a mind-blowing 8th Super Bowl ring, and I’ve lost all count of his Championship game appearances. He’s gotta’ go through Rodgers, he’s gotta’ go through Mahomes or Josh Allen.
Once upon a time, though, Tom Brady versus Peyton Manning was a much bigger ****ing deal. Every time they played there we’re serious #1 seed implications _and_ GOAT implications, and that didn’t change when Manning went to Denver, significantly downgrading the AFC south and significantly upgrading the AFC West.
Dude wasn’t the GOAT, but he was the GOATs biggest rival. Von Miller & Company significantly elevated his once abysmal post season record, but I’m sure, we’re i to go back and rewatch his one-and-dones, I could probably find a few I’d let him off the hook for.
I also _do not_ believe the 2013 Denver Broncos were the greatest offense of all time.
I consider a number of Peyton Manning Colts offenses and Tom Brady Patriot offenses superior, more dynamic, more championship reliable, despite the statistics. I don’t think that’s unfair.
That said, the choker label isn’t unjustified at all. It wasn’t a sleight. It never was. It was real AF. It didn’t even need to be a playoff game. If the stakes were elevated enough by the media and standings, he would fall apart the moment the pressure hit. Patriots go up by 14? Pack it the **** in. He’s sulking Mr. Sour ****. Honestly, thinking back, it’s actually kind of crazy that that was the quarterback.
The most uninspiring **** I’ve ever seen. I’ll never forget a little Wes Welker trying futilely to rally the Broncos on the sideline during their Seahawks beat down, while Peyton sulked and slouched in the background.
The lack of intangible strengths here, outside the X’s and O’s, were really kind of breathtaking.
Yet, statistically, he is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, so the X’s and O’s we’re certainly there. He liked to get his TD passes instead of hand it off, but it’s not like that’s easy on a cluttered field.
He played in a defensively hapless division when they were probably the worst in the league, and played in a dome, yet his production didn’t have the arbitrary stat-compiler that Brees sometimes did. It’s impossible to not give him credit for being able to abuse defenses, but gritty postseason defenses always seemed to punch him straight in the mouth for some reason.
Basically, nothing has really changed except the lack of disdain. The entire Tom Brady / Peyton Manning arch ultimately just has most Patriot fans looking like smarter football fans than Colt fans, since we’ve telling them since 2001-2004, and our arguments held up.
Maybe home bias helped put us on the right side of history, but I don’t really think so. More likely home bias prevented the others from seeing the glaringly obvious.
(1.) Tom Brady and (2.) Joe Montana is set in stone, and with Aaron Rodgers probably adding himself to everyone’s unofficial top 5 list, it’ll be kind of interesting to see how everyone looks back at this entire 20 years of modern quarterbacks when they’re all gone and we’re watching all new people.
Has the all-time great quarterback list now become so cluttered with wannabes (Marino, Favre, Bradshaw, etc), that they’re now utterly irrelevant beneath Number One & Number Two? Is it too ambiguous now beneath Tom and (way down below Tom) Montana, that Peyton is just one of many era-stars, or was he something special enough in his own regard to deserve special all-time distinction?
I held his youthful indiscretions against him pretty harshly, I probably minimized his abilities in the same way people do with Tom when they seriously hate him and love some other quarterback, and -maybe above all- I always knew that we were right that Tom was better.
(Side note on minimizing someone’s abilities: You know you’re doing it when you say he sucks but when you’re playing him you’re more worried than usual).
Not sure if it’s because Tom has taken his rightful place as the indisputable GOAT in the eyes of everyone but the most deranged, the giddy, excited way I see Peyton now looking at Brady whenever I see them together, his media sycophants being vanquished, or the simple fact that he’s long gone, but I don’t despise him anymore, and feel like I can judge him in the pantheon of NFL all-time quarterbacks more fairly than I would have before.
Today Tom is chasing a mind-blowing 8th Super Bowl ring, and I’ve lost all count of his Championship game appearances. He’s gotta’ go through Rodgers, he’s gotta’ go through Mahomes or Josh Allen.
Once upon a time, though, Tom Brady versus Peyton Manning was a much bigger ****ing deal. Every time they played there we’re serious #1 seed implications _and_ GOAT implications, and that didn’t change when Manning went to Denver, significantly downgrading the AFC south and significantly upgrading the AFC West.
Dude wasn’t the GOAT, but he was the GOATs biggest rival. Von Miller & Company significantly elevated his once abysmal post season record, but I’m sure, we’re i to go back and rewatch his one-and-dones, I could probably find a few I’d let him off the hook for.
I also _do not_ believe the 2013 Denver Broncos were the greatest offense of all time.
I consider a number of Peyton Manning Colts offenses and Tom Brady Patriot offenses superior, more dynamic, more championship reliable, despite the statistics. I don’t think that’s unfair.
That said, the choker label isn’t unjustified at all. It wasn’t a sleight. It never was. It was real AF. It didn’t even need to be a playoff game. If the stakes were elevated enough by the media and standings, he would fall apart the moment the pressure hit. Patriots go up by 14? Pack it the **** in. He’s sulking Mr. Sour ****. Honestly, thinking back, it’s actually kind of crazy that that was the quarterback.
The most uninspiring **** I’ve ever seen. I’ll never forget a little Wes Welker trying futilely to rally the Broncos on the sideline during their Seahawks beat down, while Peyton sulked and slouched in the background.
The lack of intangible strengths here, outside the X’s and O’s, were really kind of breathtaking.
Yet, statistically, he is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, so the X’s and O’s we’re certainly there. He liked to get his TD passes instead of hand it off, but it’s not like that’s easy on a cluttered field.
He played in a defensively hapless division when they were probably the worst in the league, and played in a dome, yet his production didn’t have the arbitrary stat-compiler that Brees sometimes did. It’s impossible to not give him credit for being able to abuse defenses, but gritty postseason defenses always seemed to punch him straight in the mouth for some reason.
Basically, nothing has really changed except the lack of disdain. The entire Tom Brady / Peyton Manning arch ultimately just has most Patriot fans looking like smarter football fans than Colt fans, since we’ve telling them since 2001-2004, and our arguments held up.
Maybe home bias helped put us on the right side of history, but I don’t really think so. More likely home bias prevented the others from seeing the glaringly obvious.
(1.) Tom Brady and (2.) Joe Montana is set in stone, and with Aaron Rodgers probably adding himself to everyone’s unofficial top 5 list, it’ll be kind of interesting to see how everyone looks back at this entire 20 years of modern quarterbacks when they’re all gone and we’re watching all new people.
Has the all-time great quarterback list now become so cluttered with wannabes (Marino, Favre, Bradshaw, etc), that they’re now utterly irrelevant beneath Number One & Number Two? Is it too ambiguous now beneath Tom and (way down below Tom) Montana, that Peyton is just one of many era-stars, or was he something special enough in his own regard to deserve special all-time distinction?
