Hopkins Headed to Tennessee

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Fans making some crazy excuses to justify IBWT on this one

It’s a hypothetical scenario not an IBWT excuse. I think we all can agree the odds of a 6th rounder wr becoming something is low.

But lets say we drafted what would become the next Antonio Brown (the player before he went crazy) or Edelman. What would hurt us more going forward, not having Dhop for 2 seasons tops or not having Antonio brown/edelman for the next decade?

 

[VJCPatriot]

Why am I not surprised that the Patriots CHEAPED OUT in the end.

Hopkins only went for a 2 year/26m dollar deal. That's hardly a bank buster of a contract!

 

[VJCPatriot]

It’s a hypothetical scenario not an IBWT excuse. I think we all can agree the odds of a 6th rounder wr becoming something is low.

But lets say we drafted what would become the next Antonio Brown (the player before he went crazy) or Edelman. What would hurt us more going forward, not having Dhop for 2 seasons tops or not having Antonio brown/edelman for the next decade?

Nice mental gymnastics. But if you draft the next Antonio Brown you'll have them on their rookie deal for at least 4 years before you need to pay out the big cash for free agency. Hopkins deal is only 2 years so it doesn't have any long term cap impact by definition.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Mac does need to be better.

You think? You don't like the awkward shuffling and stumbling in the pocket?

But it's also fair to question if Bill has put him in the best position to succeed

We should buy Mac special shoes? Give him protein shakes? Make sure he does not cry and give him ice when he sprains his ankle? He is a professional NFL 1st round QB making millions of $$s a year.

If the Jets put a DC in charge of their young QB and surrounded them with average receivers we would be admonishing them for ruining their young QB.

Everyone agrees last year was a disaster and that is on BB. Otherwise, why do people think we have to handle Mac gently? If he has better receivers he will be able to throw on the run? Move around in the pocket without stumbling? We have JJSS who was Mahomes #2 guy. Mahomes won a SB with JJSS, and Mac needs a #1 to win a playoff game?

Compare that to Miami who gave Tua an offensive minded coach and went out and got him Tyreek hill. Tua is no more talented than Mac. If anything he's less skilled. Switch both those guys and I think the narratives are switched.

Miami has not won anything. Miami has not won a post season game in like 10 years. Why in the hell would anyone care about Miami? If giving a QB an offensive minded coach and a #1 WR leads to similar success that Miami has had, I think we should do the opposite.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I’m actually glad as I feel like Hopkins is on the downside of his career ….. he struggled last year, and I really feel like he is in for some very mediocre numbers in Tennessee… We shall see

Hi. My name is Davante Parker, and I just signed a 3 year extension for eleven million dollars a year. I can't wait to see you at Gillette!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Hi. My name is Davante Parker, and I just signed a 3 year extension for eleven million dollars a year. I can't wait to see you at Gillette!

Do posters think they look clever when they purposely distort facts? What is the motivation to misrepresent things?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Hi. My name is Davante Parker, and I just signed a 3 year extension for eleven million dollars a year. I can't wait to see you at Gillette!

3 years up to 33 million. Heavy incentives.

If he gets anywhere close to that it would’ve been a great deal.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Do posters think they look clever when they purposely distort facts? What is the motivation to misrepresent things?

https://atozsports.com/new-england/patriots-devante-parker-contract-details-revealed/

3 years, 33M. No one ever talks about incentives and guarantees when referencing contracts from other teams but this iz Bill so it's super special. I guess this triggers you that I've stated a fact you don't like although a Google search supports it through dozens of sources. Maybe go whack off to your Asian porn fetish to calm down and then come back with a clear head?

 

[VJCPatriot]

Hi. My name is Davante Parker, and I just signed a 3 year extension for eleven million dollars a year. I can't wait to see you at Gillette!

Hello Davante Parker. You're a #2 WR. We're glad you're here but you needed a true #1 lined up alongside you to free you up to make plays. Our Patriots chose to sit on their 17m+ of free cap space instead of getting Mac Jones more help. We already know what you can do but please impress us in training camp and show that you can pick up the new BOB offense quickly!

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

3 years up to 33 million. Heavy incentives.

If he gets anywhere close to that it would’ve been a great deal.

And if Hopkins hits his upper incentives it will be a great deal. What's the point? Both players got contracts with incentives. Patriots paid way over market for a joke of a player and played hardball with Deandre Hopkins. At least Bill is still a contrarian though.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

https://atozsports.com/new-england/patriots-devante-parker-contract-details-revealed/

3 years, 33M. No one ever talks about incentives and guarantees when referencing contracts from other teams but this iz Bill so it's super special. I guess this triggers you that I've stated a fact you don't like although a Google search supports it through dozens of sources. Maybe go whack off to your Asian porn fetish to calm down and then come back with a clear head?

Everyone knows that is a maximum amount with huge incentives. Nice try. He will never hit those incentives and the actual realistic contract value was discussed at length on this board. But you be you. Purposely distort and twist things. I guess it makes you feel good.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

And if Hopkins hits his upper incentives it will be a great deal. What's the point? Both players got contracts with incentives. Patriots paid way over market for a joke of a player and played hardball with Deandre Hopkins. At least Bill is still a contrarian though.

Agree that we should’ve made a more aggressive offer to Hopkins.

Disagree that we paid way over market for Parker. Only 14 mil is guaranteed over the life of the deal. And if he gets close to the 33 mil it means he stayed healthy and performed at a high level.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Everyone knows that is a maximum amount with huge incentives. Nice try. He will never hit those incentives and the actual realistic contract value was discussed at length on this board. But you be you. Purposely distort and twist things. I guess it makes you feel good.

14M guaranteed. There's a 6.5M dead cap hit if he's cut in 2024.

Most likely he'll play in 2023 and hit his active roster incentives to rack up the total bill closer to 15-16M before getting cut next year at age 31. Bookmark this post.

Bill with another Michael Floyd over AJ Green value disaster.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

14M guaranteed. There's a 6.5M dead cap hit if he's cut in 2024.

Most likely he'll play in 2023 and hit his active roster incentives to rack up the total bill closer to 15-16M before getting cut next year at age 31. Bookmark this post.

Bill with another Michael Floyd over AJ Green value disaster.

It is not $14M guaranteed in Y1, but over 3 years. That is referred to as less than $5 guaranteed. Time to move on.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I swear there is no worse investment in the NFL than paying substantial money for #2 and #3 receivers when you have no stud...and the stud can be a TE as well but needs to be someone who draws doubles consistently.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It is not $14M guaranteed. Time to move on.

Ian Rapaport, Spotrac, Sports Illustrated, and NFL.com must be wrong.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It is not $14M guaranteed in Y1, but over 3 years. That is referred to as less than $5 guaranteed. Time to move on.

So I'm the one who's twisting things as you make a dishonest argument about guaranteed money? What you just wrote is kindergarten level stuff. It's 14M guaranteed, even if the money is spread out, same as every other contract, or do you think when Aaron Donald gets $80M guaranteed it is all paid in year 1 with that subsequent $80M cap hit? Yeah didn't think so...stop being dishonest and accusing others of your own bullshittery...moving the goalposts like that.

Referred to as less than $5M guaranteed? Get the **** out of here, you know better than this.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Let's look at the scenarios. We know Parker won't hit high incentives because he's a JAG with a ceiling of about 600 yards and with the age wall is more likely a 400 yard receiver.

Scenario 1: Parker plays in 2023 only. He'll get a total payout of 14M plus active roster incentives (1.2M) plus whatever incentives in place and guess he'll have 600 yards and couple of TDs and get an extra million.

That's 16.2M for a one season repeat of Parker's 2022 season.

Scenario 2: Parker plays in 2023 and 2024. He'll get a total payout of 14M plus the 2023 incentives plus 1.7M in active roster bonuses, and again assume he gets another million for another 600 yard JAG season.

That's about 18M for two seasons, 9M per year.

Scenario 3: It's incredibly unlikely he's playing in 2023 because of age and also he's basically playing for free at that point. This was like the Gilmore contract where the Patriots created a final year where they're getting all the contract value and the player will either holdout or retire, but that's all in theory because he's 32 at that point and already dropping like a rock in a lake.

This was a terrible contract to merely free up some measly cap space and apparently to make sure they don't get a real receiver.

If Parker completely bottoms out in 2023 (not unlikely) they're actually paying him more than OBJ...year 2 and year 3 and all the incentives are blurring how bad this contract is since most likely outcome is a one year stint and even with a two year stint they are still overpaying but not by as much.

I'd say 50% chance he plays in 2023 only and 50% chance he plays in 2024 as well. Average out those cost scenarios and he's a 12.5M receiver. I originally stated he was at 11 and got corrected...in fact he's likely to be even more overinflafed.

 

[XLIX]

It’s a hypothetical scenario not an IBWT excuse. I think we all can agree the odds of a 6th rounder wr becoming something is low.

But lets say we drafted what would become the next Antonio Brown (the player before he went crazy) or Edelman. What would hurt us more going forward, not having Dhop for 2 seasons tops or not having Antonio brown/edelman for the next decade?

First of all, as much as we all love Julian, AB (the player before he went crazy) is on a whole ‘nother level as far as talent is concerned.

Second of all, in order to make your point, you are assuming a hypothetical situation where NE has drafted the next AB. Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that assumption is??

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It’s a hypothetical scenario not an IBWT excuse. I think we all can agree the odds of a 6th rounder wr becoming something is low.

But lets say we drafted what would become the next Antonio Brown (the player before he went crazy) or Edelman. What would hurt us more going forward, not having Dhop for 2 seasons tops or not having Antonio brown/edelman for the next decade?

This post doesn't even reach non-sequitur level. These two things are completely mutually exclusive and that doesn't even get into the other problems.