Hollins As A Special Teamer

[Ring 6]

and I am saying that playing 66% of the offensive snaps and getting 51 targets is not all on him.
I am saying, those 51 targets were productive

How is it not on him?
He ran routes on 413 plays, that’s 80% of the Bills pass plays, so you can’t use the “he’s blocking” excuse. If he ran routes on 100% of the Bills pass plays he would have totaled 39 catches for the entire season, going out for every single pass.
Are you saying it’s not that he can’t get open but that Josh Allen can’t find him, or doesn’t like him?
Are we going to argue maybe he has bad breath so that’s the reason?

The number 1 thing a WR has to do is get open and catch passes. Hollins is by all measures terrible at that.
I’m not sure why you would defend that.
Should we just sing kumbaya and say all players are great because their failures might not be their fault.
I just don’t understand this logic. FACTS are right there in front of you and you are trying extremely hard to ignore them. I dint understand why.

 

[varjao]

The Pats have been so bad at WR that I don't remember who was the last #3 or #4 reliable receiver who could make plays like in this video. He's also a big target who is not afraid to contact and could help develop Maye because of his catch radius and despite his size and muscle he is kind fast, actually he might be one of the strongest WR in the league.

I'm all for him making the roster, outside him and Diggs all the other are kids, needs some experience, I'm excluding Bourne I think he is on his way out.

 

[Steve102]

The Pats have been so bad at WR that I don't remember who was the last #3 or #4 reliable receiver who could make plays like in this video. He's also a big target who is not afraid to contact and could help develop Maye because of his catch radius and despite his size and muscle he is kind fast, actually he might be one of the strongest WR in the league.

I'm all for him making the roster, outside him and Diggs all the other are kids, needs some experience, I'm excluding Bourne I think he is on his way out.

Thanks for posting.

He's Chris Hogan, just taller. Literally all these haters would take 2018 Chris Hogan in a heartbeat over everyone not named Diggs or Pop. Maybe even over Boutte.

 

[RobertWeathers]

and I am saying that playing 66% of the offensive snaps and getting 51 targets is not all on him.
I am saying, those 51 targets were productive

Yep. Last year with BUF Hollins was in on 721 snaps. He lined up on passing plays 359 times and stayed in and blocked 372 times. BUF ran 491 and threw 520 times. Pretty much 50/50 last year and possible it'll be like that here.

Pretty clear what his niche in the NFL is the last 7 years. Catch a few balls. Block on running plays. Play special teams.

 

[maust]

Pretty clear what his niche in the NFL is the last 7 years. Catch a few balls. Block on running plays. Play special teams.

As well as being a solid 'glue guy' vet presence with knowledge of McD's system.
And all that comes at the bargain basement price of a $4M cap hit. There's zero to legitimately argue against Hollins on this particular team. On some others maybe but not on the 2025 Pats

 

[Triumph]

Polk injured last weeks game and has missed practice ever since. he is not traveling with the team to Minn.

Too late.

He already beat out Hollins.

 

[Steve102]

Too late.

He already beat out Hollins.

Your troll game is way off today. That's weak.

 

[Ring 6]

Yep. Last year with BUF Hollins was in on 721 snaps. He lined up on passing plays 359 times and stayed in and blocked 372 times. BUF ran 491 and threw 520 times. Pretty much 50/50 last year and possible it'll be like that here.

Pretty clear what his niche in the NFL is the last 7 years. Catch a few balls. Block on running plays. Play special teams.

Where did you get that? PFF has him at 413 routes run which is 80% of their pass plays. Your numbers don’t even add up 359+372=731 not 721.

Most teams with running QBs run about 50/50.

 

[rkarp1]

As well as being a solid 'glue guy' vet presence with knowledge of McD's system.
And all that comes at the bargain basement price of a $4M cap hit. There's zero to legitimately argue against Hollins on this particular team. On some others maybe but not on the 2025 Pats

again, Hollins was signed before Diggs signed, before Williams was drafted and before Chism signed.
having Hollins here pushing Baker, Boutte and Polk made sense.
maybe today it does not make sense. will have cost $3.5m spread over 2 years.

now if Polk goes on IR, and someone is in need of a WR and offers a 4th or 5th for Bourne, Hollins is the teams 6th WR...
plays ST. is a big target in the red zone.

 

[Ring 6]

As well as being a solid 'glue guy' vet presence with knowledge of McD's system.
And all that comes at the bargain basement price of a $4M cap hit. There's zero to legitimately argue against Hollins on this particular team. On some others maybe but not on the 2025 Pats

Interesting that we consider a guy in his 5th team in 5 years a “solid glue guy”. Sounds like you made up a quality and attached it to him.

Also interesting that a guy who played one season 3 years ago for McD gets the “knows the system” label.

I would feel much better about the player if you could tell me he plays good football than creating reasons.

There are very legitimate reasons.
The top 3 WRs will be Diggs, Boutte and Douglass. Williams will be next up and mix in.
5th WRs almost never play in this system.

If you want a 5th to be a guy who could start if you have a rash of injuries Bourne is a far better receiver.
If you want you WR5/6 who will likely also set never see the field to be filled by players who could have a future, Chism, Polk and baker regardless of where you out they’re lot chances are certainly more likely to contribute in 2026, 2027 and beyond.

Wr don’t need to keep the 32 year old WR who can’t get open and his last 4 teams passed on because somehow he has these incredible “glue” skills that those other teams didn’t notice.

 

[maust]

 

[rkarp1]

Interesting that we consider a guy in his 5th team in 5 years a “solid glue guy”. Sounds like you made up a quality and attached it to him.

Also interesting that a guy who played one season 3 years ago for McD gets the “knows the system” label.

I would feel much better about the player if you could tell me he plays good football than creating reasons.

There are very legitimate reasons.
The top 3 WRs will be Diggs, Boutte and Douglass. Williams will be next up and mix in.
5th WRs almost never play in this system.

If you want a 5th to be a guy who could start if you have a rash of injuries Bourne is a far better receiver.
If you want you WR5/6 who will likely also set never see the field to be filled by players who could have a future, Chism, Polk and baker regardless of where you out they’re lot chances are certainly more likely to contribute in 2026, 2027 and beyond.

Wr don’t need to keep the 32 year old WR who can’t get open and his last 4 teams passed on because somehow he has these incredible “glue” skills that those other teams didn’t notice.

I am trying to figure out who you are arguing with and what you are arguing about?
best players make the roster
best players play
if that is not Hollins so be it. it cost $3.5m over 2 years

 

[Triumph]

I am trying to figure out who you are arguing with and what you are arguing about?
best players make the roster
best players play
if that is not Hollins so be it. it cost $3.5m over 2 years

 

[signbabybrady]

 

[Ring 6]

I am trying to figure out who you are arguing with and what you are arguing about?
best players make the roster
best players play
if that is not Hollins so be it. it cost $3.5m over 2 years

I’m doing what this board is intended for, responding to opinions with my own.
My position is that based upon the facts, Hollins is not an effective NFL WR and he had a career made up of playing when the team doesnt really have any legitimate option, then that team moves on from him.
I’m disputing the opinion that, with nothing to back it up, and primarily evidence to disprove it that he is some type of locker room presence that gives him more value than it being a good WR.

What exactly are YOU arguing with? That I can be allowed to have an opinion?

 

[rkarp1]

I’m doing what this board is intended for, responding to opinions with my own.
My position is that based upon the facts, Hollins is not an effective NFL WR and he had a career made up of playing when the team doesnt really have any legitimate option, then that team moves on from him.
I’m disputing the opinion that, with nothing to back it up, and primarily evidence to disprove it that he is some type of locker room presence that gives him more value than it being a good WR.

What exactly are YOU arguing with? That I can be allowed to have an opinion?

I am agreeing with you

 

[Ring 6]

I am agreeing with you

Ok then you would also disagree with the post I was responding to that said there is no way he doesn’t make the team

 

[TommyD4207]

I am trying to figure out who you are arguing with and what you are arguing about?
best players make the roster
best players play
if that is not Hollins so be it. it cost $3.5m over 2 years

This is your first mistake. 2nd is going more than 2 posts deep.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is your first mistake. 2nd is going more than 2 posts deep.

Three is typically my limit.

 

[rkarp1]

Ok then you would also disagree with the post I was responding to that said there is no way he doesn’t make the team

because there is a way he does make the team.
if Polk is IR's, and Bourne is traded, Chism might tail off. Baker may never understand the new offense.
in that scenario, Hollins is here.
if none of that comes to pass, Hollins is by no means certain