Haynesworth sentencing; league & fan response; legal & NFL discipline (merged)

[Sciz]

Florio has given up on any suspension, although he persists in attempting to equate being accused of raping an underaged, inebriated co ed in a bathroom your private duty police escort escorted her to...with being charged with tucking a VISA card in a waitress' cleavage...

Thank god Florio opted for a career as an internet mediot and didn't aspire to the bench... He underscores the incidence of something a friends dad used to accuse him of regularly as being rampant these days...people being educated beyond their intellect...

Report: No further discipline expected for Haynesworth | ProFootballTalk

What is up with Florio and comparing Haynesworth to Roethlisberger? Since when did supposedly touching a woman's breast deserve the same punishment as supposedly raping multiple women? James Harrison, Quinn Ojinaka, Tony McDaniel, and Phillip Merling had the most relevant cases, and they got off for a total of a 2 game suspension among the 4. Florio is an idiot.

 

[goheels22002]

Re: Haynesworth sentencing & league response (merged)

I hope they're giving him a full year so that he can get that done in the offseason rather than needing to rack up a lot of those hours right away.

Sacking quarterbacks and stuffing the run in the AFC East is the highest calling of community service. That ought to be worth a 100 hours or so right there.

 

[Rob0729]

Florio has given up on any suspension, although he persists in attempting to equate being accused of raping an underaged, inebriated co ed in a bathroom your private duty police escort escorted her to...with being charged with tucking a VISA card in a waitress' cleavage...

Thank god Florio opted for a career as an internet mediot and didn't aspire to the bench... He underscores the incidence of something a friends dad used to accuse him of regularly as being rampant these days...people being educated beyond their intellect...

Report: No further discipline expected for Haynesworth | ProFootballTalk

Not to minimize what Haynesworth is accused of because if he did do it, he is a scumbag; but how can you compare what Roethlisberger was accused of with what Albert reportedly did? Roethlisberger had multiple allegations of rape. Yes, none of them went beyond allegations, although there seems to be some clear evidence of a cover up in Georgia (the bathroom cleans and security tapes disapeared). Roethlisberger has allegedly raped three women. That is far worse than grabbing a woman's breast.

I don't like Haynesworth and if he did what he was accused of, he deserved a suspension. But what Roethlisbeger has been accused of is far, far worse. And the league doesn't have the burden of innocent until proven guilty. If there is enough evidence that they suspect the allegations are true or not, they can act as they like even if the courts feel it does or doesn't fulfill the burden of proof.

 

[goheels22002]

Re: Haynesworth sentencing & league response (merged)

I'm not jumping in the middle of this nightmare, except to point out one thing.

You are basing your entire argument on the motivation of the prosecution to plea bargain.
Read what you said again, and look at it from Haynesworths prespective.
If he really didn't do it, but juries are unpredictable, and trials are expensive and time consuming, why wouldn't he plea bargain just to get it over with?
I'm pretty sure your response would be that there is some kind of dishonor in admitting you did something you didnt do, but we you really have no idea what Haynesworth's morality on that subject and whether he gives 2 cents about what people think about this are.

Just a bit of advice. If you are going to base everything on the motiviation of one side, you should consider applying similar motivation to the other side before believing it proves something.

I don't know or frankly care what happened, but for you to believe you can be certain what did is arrogant, unrealistic and clearly biased.

Great post. From the prosecution side, this is a misdemeanor in federal court of a perpetrator who no longer lives in the district. They want to win, which they did by agreeing to a lesser charge in exchange for a "no contest" plea. The perp is out of town, sanctioned with 18 months probation and community service and assessments for violence and alcohol abuse. The prosecution chalks up a win in its column, efficiently and swiftly resolves the case. Prosecutors have sizable caseloads and want to clear their desks of easily resolved cases. All good.

If this were a felony sexual assault charge, the plea bargain would not have so light and would have required jail time. Plaxico proved that. He not only had a loaded unregistered gun in his possession, but he discharged it (into himself, the bonehead) in a crowded public place. Two years in the slammer and now a Jet. From bad to worse.

 

[rufcut]

Re: Haynesworth - Impartial Jury?

Do you typically take pride in the actions of players that have no idea who you even are?

I root for the laundry, just like you do.

But I don't rationalize boorish behavior by the wearers of the laundry.

How about you?

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Haynesworth - Impartial Jury?

I root for the laundry, just like you do.

But I don't rationalize boorish behavior by the wearers of the laundry.

How about you?

If you root for the laundry, why would you care at all about off-the-field stuff?

 

[Joker]

I root for the laundry...I'm also a hypocrite...if it's the other team and a player is in a jam, I say screw him...if it's the Pats, I give a player a lot of rope...like miles of twisted hemp...if he smokes it that's HIS problem

 

[Betterthanmost]

Big Al and Vince. Lots of Chicken legs I see.
Does Vince have big Calves?

 

[Bostonian1962]

I root for the laundry...I'm also a hypocrite...if it's the other team and a player is in a jam, I say screw him...if it's the Pats, I give a player a lot of rope...like miles of twisted hemp...if he smokes it that's HIS problem

I think that describes many of us. Oh, he killed a family of 6? Everybody deserves a second chance, and he gives to alot of charities. Give the guy a break.

 

[goheels22002]

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If you root for the laundry, why would you care at all about off-the-field stuff?

I agree with you. This laundry talk is annoying as hell.

We root for the team and the guys in the laundry. We root for the ownership to do well. We root for the staff and coaches. Hell, we even root for guys that go put on other people's laundry as players or coaches unless they are evil, ungrateful rat snitches.

The people who post here put in the time getting to know the guys the Patriots bring in, decide who to like and who they hope get cut or traded. If a cancerous player comes onto the Patriots, the posters here are mostly glad they get shown the door or at least debate it until there's no more to say.

Albert Haynesworth is wearing the laundry and this thread is full of trepidation about this guy who just pled no contest to assault. He's got a short leash around here - with the coaches, the owners, the fans and law enforcement. A few sacks would be nice, but he's not one of those guys who most will want around if he starts down his selfish, greedy, stupid and childish path that got him booted out of Tennessee and DC.

Shut up and do you job, Albert. Or you'll be in the laundromat doing your own laundry.

 

[The-Hooded-One]

He didn't get booted from Tennessee, unless you call taking a gigantic free agent contract from another team getting booted.

 

[BSR]

Re: Haynesworth - Impartial Jury?

I root for the laundry, just like you do.

But I don't rationalize boorish behavior by the wearers of the laundry.

How about you?

I don't feel the need to rationalize the behavior of people I don't know. That seems very silly to me.

 

[PittPatriot]

Big Al and Vince. Lots of Chicken legs I see.
Does Vince have big Calves?

There is more controversy within those 5 square yards then an entire decade of the Brown/Bruschi/Vrabes regime.

 

[rufcut]

Re: Haynesworth - Impartial Jury?

If you root for the laundry, why would you care at all about off-the-field stuff?

How does rooting for the laundry exempt me from having concerns about society? I don't get that. I care about people trying to excuse his behavior.

I separate his on and off-field behavior. The fact that he wears the laundry that I root for does not mean I can't think his behavior off the field was wrong. And it doesn't mean that a hard-working waitress has to take his **** and have me pile on by dismissing her complaints as opportunistic, as some of the posters here seem to feel compelled to do.

I don't know the guy and I have no opinion about him as a person. But he shouldn't have been putting his hands on a waitress's breasts. She doesn't deserve to be demeaned that way.

Every one of you knows that.

And I'm still going to cheer when he sacks a QB.

 

[rufcut]

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I don't feel the need to rationalize the behavior of people I don't know. That seems very silly to me.

So if someone on the team behaves badly, you call it bad behavior and you expect him to be treated just like everyone else who behaves in the same manner. Just like me.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Haynesworth - Impartial Jury?

How does rooting for the laundry exempt me from having concerns about society? I don't get that. I care about people trying to excuse his behavior.

People generally excuse the behavior of those they like. This doesn't just apply to football players. It applies to family and friends, celebrities, etc... It's not about society in general, it's about people and their perceived relationships.

I separate his on and off-field behavior. The fact that he wears the laundry that I root for does not mean I can't think his behavior off the field was wrong. And it doesn't mean that a hard-working waitress has to take his **** and have me pile on by dismissing her complaints as opportunistic, as some of the posters here seem to feel compelled to do.

If you're rooting for the laundry and not the players, the actions of the players off the field should mean absolutely nothing to you. You're moralizing about something that should have zero impact on you. If you only cheer for the laundry, your only response to this incident should be "How does this impact his ability to play for the team?".

I don't know the guy and I have no opinion about him as a person. But he shouldn't have been putting his hands on a waitress's breasts. She doesn't deserve to be demeaned that way.

Well, this paragraph clearly demonstrates that you have an opinion of him.

Every one of you knows that.

I don't know that, because I don't know all the facts of the case. I've never cared enough to read much about it, and I know that I've not heard about all the circumstances.

 

[rufcut]

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If you're rooting for the laundry and not the players, the actions of the players off the field should mean absolutely nothing to you. You're moralizing about something that should have zero impact on you.

This doesn't track. It isn't right to molest waitresses. The fact that he works for the Patriots has nothing to do with it.

There is no defending your position that Patriots fans must excuse mashers because a Patriots player was among them.

 

[rufcut]

Re: Haynesworth - Impartial Jury?

Put another way, if a woman neither of us knows is mugged in a park, it has no direct impact on either of us. But both of us are against it, we both think the muggers were in the wrong, and neither of us would feel that we shouldn't say so.

 

[goheels22002]

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This doesn't track. It isn't right to molest waitresses. The fact that he works for the Patriots has nothing to do with it.

There is no defending your position that Patriots fans must excuse mashers because a Patriots player was among them.

Don't encourage him. Deus is a big fat homer who roots for somebody to wash and fold the laundry just like you do. He also is wary of Fat Albert just like everybody else. Deus will jump down Albert's throat if he screws up which is, unfortunately, very likely. Read some of his posts about Randy Moss when Moss went rogue at the beginning of last season.

Most important, don't worry that Fat Albert will screw things up. If he does, he'll be on a bus to nowhere faster than you can say Joey Galloway.

 

[BSR]

Re: Haynesworth - Impartial Jury?

This doesn't track. It isn't right to molest waitresses. The fact that he works for the Patriots has nothing to do with it.

There is no defending your position that Patriots fans must excuse mashers because a Patriots player was among them.

Its not excusing him...we don't care. Its the same way that I don't care about the morality of the DPW worker in my town as long as my street is fixed or the morality of my plumber as long as they fix my water heater. They aren't in positions of trust with me. I'm not asking Haynesworth to watch my kids or investment my money. I just want him to the sack the quarterback without disrupting the chemistry of the team. I also don't pretend that the rest of the players, coach, or staff are pinnicales of morality either. I'm cynical like that.