Guess What: Belichick built a Championship team in 2011

[Lifer]

Wes Welker dropped it

 

[Brady2Moss]

Welker dropped it, but that team was all Tom Brady and the offense. He was lucky Andre Carter and Waters worked out otherwise all his free agents and trades would have been colossal busts.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

i love people who have no idea what they are talking about...makes for a good laugh

 

[upstater1]

Even if everyone agreed with you that Welker dropped it, you now need to make the case that the Patriots get there by throwing only to Deion Branch.

 

[supafly]

Guess what?

When you field a secondary of Antwaan Molden, Philip Adams, James Ihedigbo, Patrick Chung, and Sterling Moore and they all see significant snaps in the Super Bowl I don't consider that "building a championship team;" especially when they allow the winning 86 yard TD drive (again) in the last 2:30 of the game.

The statement of "building a championship team" is not correct.

If you claimed that his awesome coaching job allowed them to overachieve, then I'd believe you 100%.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

We could have only ran such time off to where the giants get the ball if we don't get another first down. That catch could have changed it. That was welkers time to shine and guess what, he failed. He had a possible SB title in his hands and couldn't catch it. I think that sealed my view that welker isn't all there in the playoffs. Great receiver but just couldn't really get it done in the playoffs to set a tone or finish.

 

[Froob]

Guess what?

When you field a secondary of Antwaan Molden, Philip Adams, James Ihedigbo, Patrick Chung, and Sterling Moore and they all see significant snaps in the Super Bowl I don't consider that "building a championship team;" especially when they allow the winning 86 yard TD drive (again) in the last 2:30 of the game.

The statement of "building a championship team" is not correct.

If you claimed that his awesome coaching job allowed them to overachieve, then I'd believe you 100%.

To be fair, they did only give up 21pts. Best offense in the league should have been able to score more than 21pts.

 

[Lifer]

Even if everyone agreed with you that Welker dropped it, you now need to make the case that the Patriots get there by throwing only to Deion Branch.

Not at all. They were correct in throwing the ball to Welker. The team Belichick built and coached was in position to win the Super Bowl. Had the immortal Wes Welker done his job the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl, hence the man people claim "has lost it" would have built and coached them to a Championship. Welker lost it.
Once again, ive never said BB cant be questioned. What i take issue with is assinine comments that Belichick has lost it or Kraft is cheap or crap such as that.

 

[Ring 6]

Welker dropped it, but that team was all Tom Brady and the offense. He was lucky Andre Carter and Waters worked out otherwise all his free agents and trades would have been colossal busts.

What does that even mean? He's lucky he made good decisions otherwise he would have made bad decisions?

 

[Ring 6]

Guess what?

When you field a secondary of Antwaan Molden, Philip Adams, James Ihedigbo, Patrick Chung, and Sterling Moore and they all see significant snaps in the Super Bowl I don't consider that "building a championship team;" especially when they allow the winning 86 yard TD drive (again) in the last 2:30 of the game.

The statement of "building a championship team" is not correct.

If you claimed that his awesome coaching job allowed them to overachieve, then I'd believe you 100%.

Just to be accurate Adams didnt play in the SB and Molden barely saw time.
You left McCourty and Arrington off your list to make it look worse too.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

We could have only ran such time off to where the giants get the ball if we don't get another first down. That catch could have changed it. That was welkers time to shine and guess what, he failed. He had a possible SB title in his hands and couldn't catch it. I think that sealed my view that welker isn't all there in the playoffs. Great receiver but just couldn't really get it done in the playoffs to set a tone or finish.

Catchable ball via circus catch on a terrible throw to a wide open receiver.
Rooting hard for Wes to get a ring in Denver. If there was ever a player the average person could relate to it's Wes Welker.

 

[fgssand]

I loved Wes, but, every time I think of him, I think of the ball he catches nine out of 10 times, he just didn't that one time.

And that one time most likely cost us a championship.

Sad but true.

Good luck Wes and thanks for the memories, except for one that haunts me to this day. Put that catch right next to the freaking Helmet catch in the space in mind that holds Patriot horrors.

How did we ever win 3 out of 4 anyway??

 

[signbabybrady]

I loved Wes, but, every time I think of him, I think of the ball he catches nine out of 10 times, he just didn't that one time.

And that one time most likely cost us a championship.

Sad but true.

Good luck Wes and thanks for the memories, except for one that haunts me to this day. Put that catch right next to the freaking Helmet catch in the space in mind that holds Patriot horrors.

How did we ever win 3 out of 4 anyway??

I dont blame the whole game on wes but what you say is true.

Not sure what your point is with that last line you know good and plenty how we won those 3 out 4 so am I missing your point or sarcasm???

 

[Patsrock]

Catchable ball via circus catch on a terrible throw to a wide open receiver.
Rooting hard for Wes to get a ring in Denver. If there was ever a player the average person could relate to it's Wes Welker.

Not me I am not rooting hard at all. Hope the Broncos go 0-16

 

[supafly]

Just to be accurate Adams didnt play in the SB and Molden barely saw time.
You left McCourty and Arrington off your list to make it look worse too.

How did "Molden barely see time?" He played in 1/3 of the entire snaps, which is pretty common for subpackage CBs.

The bottom line is that all of those people (sans Philip Adams) saw pretty decent action as members of the secondary in the biggest game of the year.

When you use players like Molden, Chung, Ihedigbo, Moore etc you aren't making a great case for "building a championship team" by having those as 4 of your main 6 positions in the secondary. To say that our secondary lacked depth and talent would be putting it very mildly. Those guys were outright JAGs.

As I said, the more accurate answer would have been that Belichick's coaching job came much more into play than actual talent.

 

[supafly]

To be fair, they did only give up 21pts. Best offense in the league should have been able to score more than 21pts.

They actually gave up 19 points, since you can't hold them accountable for Brady's safety.

But the NYG weren't anywhere close to being "the best offense in the league." They were barely in the top 10.

LIke I said in my post, it really had a lot more to do with Belichick's incredible coaching and efficient scheme work than it had to do with "building a championship team." When you "build a championship team" usually 4 of your 6 secondary positions arern't JAGs who royally suck.

 

[supafly]

How did we ever win 3 out of 4 anyway??

Insanely smothering defense which finished in the top few teams of the league and allowed an average of 14, 15, 16 pts per game.

In the 9 game playoff span that you're speaking of during that 3 SB winning stretch, the offense scored an average of 18 pts a game, while the defense gave up an average of 14.5 pts a game.

You'll win a lot of games when you only have to score 15, 16 pts to do so.

The only 2 games that didn't apply to was the anomaly (AFCCG at PIT) and the second half scoring of the SB vs CAR where the score was 0-0 at halftime. Other than those 2 games, the other 7 (really it's 7.5 out of 9 when you consider the 0-0 score at halftime) all fell into the same pattern....low pts allowed and low pts scored.

 

[Ring 6]

Catchable ball via circus catch on a terrible throw to a wide open receiver.
Rooting hard for Wes to get a ring in Denver. If there was ever a player the average person could relate to it's Wes Welker.

A pass eye high that hits you in both hands is not a circus catch.
So you are rooting AGAINST the Patriots now?
Is this your hater version of coming out of the closet?

 

[Ring 6]

How did "Molden barely see time?" He played in 1/3 of the entire snaps, which is pretty common for subpackage CBs.

The bottom line is that all of those people (sans Philip Adams) saw pretty decent action as members of the secondary in the biggest game of the year.

When you use players like Molden, Chung, Ihedigbo, Moore etc you aren't making a great case for "building a championship team" by having those as 4 of your main 6 positions in the secondary. To say that our secondary lacked depth and talent would be putting it very mildly. Those guys were outright JAGs.

As I said, the more accurate answer would have been that Belichick's coaching job came much more into play than actual talent.

But having a team that wins a championship (the premise IF Welker made the catch) that has spots of weakness is still building a Championship team.
Every champion has its own area of weakness, none are flawless.
BTW, Moore was the nickleback not Molden.

 

[supafly]

But having a team that wins a championship (the premise IF Welker made the catch) that has spots of weakness is still building a Championship team.
Every champion has its own area of weakness, none are flawless.
BTW, Moore was the nickleback not Molden.

Moore saw a total of 4 more snaps than Molden, so they used him like they would in subpackages. The difference was they were able to use McCourty as both a CB/S. When you play in 1/3 of the defensive snaps in the secondary that normally equates to being one of the contributing members.

The bottom line is that most players who play every 3rd play in the SB aren't going to be of that talent level, especially combined with the other members of the motley crew they had on the field in the secondary.

Most fans would agree that the 2011 Patriots team was a group of overachievers who had many weaknesses. To me that does not equate to building a championship team, which was the general point of the thread.