Gronk trade completed

[Uptown]

I honestly think Asante Samuels is correct. BB needed Brady more than Brady needed BB and I am afraid we'll see proof positive this season as we struggle to 9-7 while Brady is 12-4 and in NFL MVP discussion.

BB wasn't winning ANY SBs with scrub QBs

Brady likely would have won some SBs with scrub HCs, I believe.

We have seen Peyton win with Kubiak, Roethelisberger with Tomlin and Rodgers win with McCarthy. And I don't rate those 3 HCs much at all.

The last HC to win with a scrub QB was Gruden with Brad Johnson. And maybe you can argue Harbaugh with Flacco although Flacco really caught fire that postseason and didn't play like a scrub, so not valid.

(Physically 2015) Manning most certainly qualifies. No argument.

 

[sb1]

Are we sure Stidham is a “scrub”? Way too premature imo to say either way.

And don’t gimme that noise about the tiny sample size where he had the pick 6. Brady was horrendous in a few games when he started - I mean he was literally “please hurry back Drew” bad. Not just picks but those deep throws where the cheerleaders would have to duck out of the way.

Seemed to work out well in the end for him. I’m willing to give Stidham a chance if the Patriots are.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Conceding halftime with a minute left in a tie game - a game the a Patriots needed to win to get a bye told me all I needed to know about what Bill thought of the Brady offense.

I don't normally use the "disagree" and it's no disrespect to you, but c'mon. The "Brady offense?" Did he put it together? Can he beat press coverage for the receivers? Can he run the correct routes for the receivers? Can he catch the ball for them when it bounces both their hands? He had Julian Edelman, who was held together with duct tape, and a bunch of new guys, injured guys and an ancient TE, who was cut because he just wasn't good anymore, and only brought back because the other TE's couldn't stay healthy. And then, as if those weren't factors enough, he had Marshall Newhouse "protecting" his blind side for a huge chunk of the season. Personally, I'm surprised he even remained healthy with as many times he had free rushers putting hands on him. BB choosing to sit on the clock was an indictment of the offense as a unit, not just or even mostly, on Brady.

I really have to wonder what some fans are watching and how they process information. The whole sports world was talking about how Brady had no weapons, but reading this board you'd think he sucked while playing with the '07 offense. It's laughable. It's even more laughable to expect Brady, at this stage, to elevate everyone's play. It's not a realistic expectation. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that is just flat out a hater.

He can still play at a very high level and I fully expect that to show in Tampa Bay, provided their OL is good enough. He will have the best perimeter guys he's had probably since '07 in a pass happy offense. Brady will prove the doubters wrong once again. Book it.

 

[Kontradiction]

Holy shhit - completely unhinged! Personal attacks after personal attacks. Very sad. Special ed comments? Suggesting suicide? Ghetto public schools? Talk about trash behavior. A normal person would feel embarrassed moments after hitting "post" on a reply like that but the EI isn't really there for you apparently.

Not for people like you, it isn't. Do want to be attacked? Argue the points and don't attack the poster. You wanted to launch the ad homs, so I followed suit. You couldn't wrap your head around the fact that you still accept people as fans when they're spiteful (see: with malice), got called on it, tried to backtrack, couldn't, and now you're big time butthurt.

Also, the comedy is not lost on me that the guy who clearly spends most of every day on an online forum is lashing out calling others "losers" with "blue collar maintenance jobs."

Hit close to home on that one, eh? The level of hurt feelings and butthurt from you in our last couple of interactions makes me truly happy.

1. You implying that blue collar maintenance workers are somehow lower than you, makes you even more of a trash human being.

Not all of them. Just you.

2. Not to ****measure on the internet, but I will just to slap you around a little bit more before disengaging, I work for the 2nd largest consulting firm in the entire world. Do yourself a favor and google what the salary is like for a Manager position at a firm like that and then reassess bc your intuition is once again failing you. Cheers, bud!

LMAO, yeah... sure you do. At 28. So they looked at you, right out of getting your MBA and said something like this: "This guy? This guy is it. Lock him up with a six figure salary."I'm sure someone who had a traumatic brain injury reading this forum believes that. The rest of us are having some trouble putting that together with the fact that you haven't even been able to spare $100 to a forum that you're uselessly ****posting on for five to help the owner who keeps it together. But I'll tell ya what, if that is truly the case, and you're organization is publicly traded, please tell which one it is so I can make sure I never purchase stock in it. If you're a manager there, wait a minute...



...let me start again. If you're a manager there, it's not a company that has a very bright future.

Cheers! Love,

Kontradiction, #1 PatsFans.com arguer.

 

[Kontradiction]

Andy Johnson lives.

I actually used to argue like that all the time when I was in college and worked in a call center for a "living." Where do you think he learned it from?

 

[sb1]

I don't normally use the "disagree" and it's no disrespect to you, but c'mon. The "Brady offense?" Did he put it together? Can he beat press coverage for the receivers? Can he run the correct routes for the receivers? Can he catch the ball for them when it bounces both their hands? He had Julian Edelman, who was held together with duct tape, and a bunch of new guys, injured guys and an ancient TE, who was cut because he just wasn't good anymore, and only brought back because the other TE's couldn't stay healthy. And then, as if those weren't factors enough, he had Marshall Newhouse "protecting" his blind side for a huge chunk of the season. Personally, I'm surprised he even remained healthy with as many times he had free rushers putting hands on him. BB choosing to sit on the clock was an indictment of the offense as a unit, not just or even mostly, on Brady.

I really have to wonder what some fans are watching and how they process information. The whole sports world was talking about how Brady had no weapons, but reading this board you'd think he sucked while playing with the '07 offense. It's laughable. It's even more laughable to expect Brady, at this stage, to elevate everyone's play. It's not a realistic expectation. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that is just flat out a hater.

He can still play at a very high level and I fully expect that to show in Tampa Bay, provided their OL is good enough. He will have the best perimeter guys he's had probably since '07 in a pass happy offense. Brady will prove the doubters wrong once again. Book it.

I didn’t say Brady alone I said the Brady offense. It wasn’t very good, for whatever the reason was. I have never seen Bill figuratively punt on getting points before a half with a minute left in a very important game - that told me a lot. Brady himself wasn’t very good last year either. We’ll see what happens in Tampa but even if he does light it up that’s not a reason to think he would be doing the same here. Especially based on what we saw in the last couple of years.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I didn’t say Brady alone I said the Brady offense. It wasn’t very good, for whatever the reason was. I have never seen Bill figuratively punt on getting points before a half with a minute left in a very important game - that told me a lot. Brady himself wasn’t very good last year either. We’ll see what happens in Tampa but even if he does light it up that’s not a reason to think he would be doing the same here. Especially based on what we saw in the last couple of years.

Much respect, sb. You didn't have to say it necessarily because you were responding to a post that mentioned BB noticing a decline in Tom's play and making the correlation between that and choosing not to go for points before the half. I just feel saying the "Brady offense" is different than just saying the offense, especially considering all the nonsense that other posters have put up. It just seems like a strong insinuation that it was mostly Brady, whether that was the intent or not.

And to your point about him not lighting it up here... well, of course not. The weapons are superior in Tampa. My point was the precipitous (as I've seen it described) decline is being exaggerated. Tom has declined, but how can any accurate measure be made considering the crap NE fielded on the perimeter last season. The O was horrible. Saying "For whatever reason that was" seems to be trying to skate passed everything I listed, which was all legit when you add everything together. If maybe one or two of those issues didn't exist and the result was the same, then I'd be more than willing to concede. But when there are that many factors, c'mon. How many QB's are overcoming that, even in the history of the game? That's a lot to overcome for anyone, much less a 43-year-old.

But to each his or her own. I respect your right to have and maintain your opinion. I don't want you to think I'm coming after you. I just don't think many of the negative opinions I've read are coming from an honest place, especially now with so many posters being so butt hurt over Brady's departure (not saying you).

 

[Kontradiction]

 

[sb1]

Much respect, sb. You didn't have to say it necessarily because you were responding to a post that mentioned BB noticing a decline in Tom's play and making the correlation between that and choosing not to go for points before the half. I just feel saying the "Brady offense" is different than just saying the offense, especially considering all the nonsense that other posters have put up. It just seems like a strong insinuation that it was mostly Brady, whether that was the intent or not.

And to your point about him not lighting it up here... well, of course not. The weapons are superior in Tampa. My point was the precipitous (as I've seen it described) decline is being exaggerated. Tom has declined, but how can any accurate measure be made considering the crap NE fielded on the perimeter last season. The O was horrible. Saying "For whatever reason that was" seems to be trying to skate passed everything I listed, which was all legit when you add everything together. If maybe one or two of those issues didn't exist and the result was the same, then I'd be more than willing to concede. But when there are that many factors, c'mon. How many QB's are overcoming that, even in the history of the game? That's a lot to overcome for anyone, much less a 43-year-old.

But to each his or her own. I respect your right to have and maintain your opinion. I don't want you to think I'm coming after you. I just don't think many of the negative opinions I've read are coming from an honest place, especially now with so many posters being so butt hurt over Brady's departure (not saying you).

No worries - I should have been clearer. The “Brady offense” is not a shot at TB - it’s referring to the offense where he is slinging it and carrying his team on his back. I was making a a distinction between that and the power run game that carried the Patriots to the 2018 title. They could not replicate that in 2019 because of injuries so they went back to the “Brady offense” which wasn’t very good last year. For whatever reason - injuries, decline in QB play, etc. It doesn’t matter.

My point was it was an eye opener seeing Bill basically tell the offense to get off the field with over a minute left in the half of a very important game. Obviously the confidence was not there and with the GOAT at QB that was shocking.

 

[Coolade]

BB wasn't winning ANY SBs with scrub QBs .

Gee maybe that's why he drafted skinny guy and developed him into a game manager.

 

[Tony2046]

I actually used to argue like that all the time when I was in college and worked in a call center for a "living." Where do you think he learned it from?

@Ring 6 learned how to argue from you? That's interesting.

 

[amfootball]

The Bucs offense is going to be something to watch. And remember they have pick #14 tonight. I am pretty stoked to see Brady and Gronk do their thing in the warm FL sunshine.

BTW, China has started playing baseball without fans. This bodes well for our pro sports to get back on the field later this summer.

 

[captain stone]

I admit, "brutal" is too strong of a word. "Frustrating" is more fitting though...

No, you were correct the first time...Our "weapons"(snicker) were Garbage last season...pure, unfiltered GARBAGE.

There is no question Bill thought Tom's play dropped a notch.

One can only imagine then what Tom thought of Bill's grocery-shopping...

 

[Kontradiction]

@Ring 6 learned how to argue from you? That's interesting.

Of course. I’m top PatsFans.com arguer. Used to do it that way to break out each point and to drive my opponent nuts since he/she will be the only one actually reading that. But then I stopped because I just don’t have the time to do that anymore. But today? Well...

 

[Uptown]

Are we sure Stidham is a “scrub”? Way too premature imo to say either way.

And don’t gimme that noise about the tiny sample size where he had the pick 6. Brady was horrendous in a few games when he started - I mean he was literally “please hurry back Drew” bad. Not just picks but those deep throws where the cheerleaders would have to duck out of the way.

Seemed to work out well in the end for him. I’m willing to give Stidham a chance if the Patriots are.

Exactly. When ignorant people say stuff like that (Stidham’s pick-6), just shut them up with this..”Brady’s very last pass was a pick-6..”
Crickets..

 

[scout]

In BB I trust. He plays chess while other coaches are playing checkers. GOAT coach. I hope Brady has a wonderful year and glad he was a Patriot since 2001. I also do not question BB when evaluating players and keeping or letting go. Sometimes this thread looks like a game day thread when the Patriots are losing.

 

[Kontradiction]

In BB I trust. He plays chess while other coaches are playing checkers. GOAT coach. I hope Brady has a wonderful year and glad he was a Patriot since 2001. I also do not question BB when evaluating players and keeping or letting go. Sometimes this thread looks like a game day thread when the Patriots are losing.

What kind of Chess was he playing before Brady came along? The guy wasn’t exactly Bobby Fischer as a HC.

 

[captain stone]

In BB I trust. He plays chess while other coaches are playing checkers...

Child, please...

 

[scout]

What kind of Chess was he playing before Brady came along? The guy wasn’t exactly Bobby Fischer as a HC.

Over the years, the comment about chess was a common theme on this site. Although, not by the Captain.

 

[Coolade]

I didn’t say Brady alone I said the Brady offense. It wasn’t very good, for whatever the reason was. I have never seen Bill figuratively punt on getting points before a half with a minute left in a very important game - that told me a lot. Brady himself wasn’t very good last year either. We’ll see what happens in Tampa but even if he does light it up that’s not a reason to think he would be doing the same here. Especially based on what we saw in the last couple of years.

That end of first half against Miami was about as ugly an offensive move as you could imagine.