Greg Bedard skewers AVP

[Rob0729]

I'm surprised the media hasn't said that Maye is in a horrible situation in terms of the franchise and roster.

Taking a step back and being objective, this is no different than what we've seen from other bad teams throughout the years the Pats were dominating the NFL. We'd laugh at player x being a bust at QB because of the dysfunctional franchise, but that's the Pats today.

How do we know that? We are three weeks in the the Mayo/AVP era. A truly bad team would have thrown Maye out there right away (see Panthers with Bryce Young and Chicago with Caleb Williams). The Patriots are not rushing him into the line up which is what bad teams don't do with their rookie QB. They are not tossing him into a horrible situation. They are trying to avoid throwing him into a situation where the line is a disaster and the receivers are not getting catches.

I would argue they are doing what good teams do with a rookie QB. They are not putting short term goals of wins this year over the development of their rookie QB. Smart teams do not think short term with their highly drafted rookie QBs.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, I am more concerned how good AVP is as a QB coach than an OC. The development of Maye is his most important responsibility. I know he isn't officially the QB coach and they have someone else on the roster with that title, but AVP is obviously intimately involved in developing Maye. From reports and what we saw in the preseason, Maye is developing ahead of schedule.

 

[TheRainMaker]

How do we know that? We are three weeks in the the Mayo/AVP era. A truly bad team would have thrown Maye out there right away (see Panthers with Bryce Young and Chicago with Caleb Williams). The Patriots are not rushing him into the line up which is what bad teams don't do with their rookie QB. They are not tossing him into a horrible situation. They are trying to avoid throwing him into a situation where the line is a disaster and the receivers are not getting catches.

I would argue they are doing what good teams do with a rookie QB. They are not putting short term goals of wins this year over the development of their rookie QB. Smart teams do not think short term with their highly drafted rookie QBs.

Rookie HC, mediocre at best OC, horrible OL, dysfunctional management for starters. These are some basic things high prospects really don't give a **** about, but comes back to bite them in the ass in the end. They just want to be the highest draft pick possible.

People gave Eli ****, but that was a great business move on his part. More high draft picks need to do this.

 

[Vindicate]

Where tf is the skewering of Scott Peters? I mean if there's any clear unit failure, it's the O-Line.

 

[archstanton543]

Where tf is the skewering of Scott Peters? I mean if there's any clear unit failure, it's the O-Line.

If you give a professional artist finger paints and ask them to recreate the Mona Lisa, it isn't going to turn out good.

 

[Rob0729]

Rookie HC, mediocre at best OC, horrible OL, dysfunctional management for starters. These are some basic things high prospects really don't give a **** about, but comes back to bite them in the ass in the end. They just want to be the highest draft pick possible.

People gave Eli ****, but that was a great business move on his part. More high draft picks need to do this.

Rookie head coach isn't an argument. Virtually every team that is drafting in the top three in the draft have a rookie head coach. Most teams bad enough to finish in the top three in the draft fire their head coach. And most hire first time head coaches. I mean Sean McVay was a rookie head coach when the Rams hired him and he got the Rams into the Super Bowl very quickly. I am not saying Mayo will be remotely as good, but his rookie status means nothing to how this is a good team or not.

How do we know AVP is mediocre at best? After three games?

How is this dysfunctional management for starters?

The horrible o-line is a reason why the Patriots are taking their time with Maye. And that is what a good team would do. This team was left with no talent and they are not going to magically fix all their talent problems in one offseason.

If the Pats were playing Maye right now, you might have a point. But they are not rushing him into the starting line up.

And Eli shot his way out of San Diego and ended up on a far worse team. The Chargers early in his and Rivers career were among the top teams in the league while the Giants sucked. Even in their Super Bowl season, they pretty much limped into the playoffs and got hot in the playoffs.

If you are going to compare this Patriots team to the 2003 Chargers, I will take that. The Chargers were a top team for a number of years that just happened to be in an era where Brady and Peyton and occasionally Roethlisberger dominated the AFC. If the Chargers under Rivers were in the NFC, they might have made and even won a Super Bowl or two.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Rookie head coach isn't an argument. Virtually every team that is drafting in the top three in the draft have a rookie head coach. Most teams bad enough to finish in the top three in the draft fire their head coach. And most hire first time head coaches. I mean Sean McVay was a rookie head coach when the Rams hired him and he got the Rams into the Super Bowl very quickly. I am not saying Mayo will be remotely as good, but his rookie status means nothing to how this is a good team or not.

Rookie HC's like McVay were at least known for something. He was a controversial hire, but he was at least known for working well with QB's. What is Mayo known for? Mediocre LB play?

How do we know AVP is mediocre at best? After three games?

You know he was an OC with another team before the Pats right?

How is this dysfunctional management for starters?

They've been dysfunctional since Parcells' last year in NE. Bob was trying to get Bill to play Bledsoe in 2001 and was going to fire Bill one way or another had they missed the playoffs that season. Bob throwing his HC under the bus a few times thought Bill's tenure. Bob disappearing during "deflate gate". Bob firing a coach for his disciple with no experience. Bob taking credit for the dynasty. The documentary exposed how dysfunctional they were. I'm only scratching the surface here.

If you are going to compare this Patriots team to the 2003 Chargers, I will take that. The Chargers were a top team for a number of years that just happened to be in an era where Brady and Peyton and occasionally Roethlisberger dominated the AFC. If the Chargers under Rivers were in the NFC, they might have made and even won a Super Bowl or two.

Phillip Rivers is a loser and wouldn't have done anything different in the NFC. He's had talented teams, but found ways to miss the playoffs. They got that draft capital to improve their team from the Eli trade.

 

[Vindicate]

If you give a professional artist finger paints and ask them to recreate the Mona Lisa, it isn't going to turn out good.

But if you have to give a skewering of any coach, it would be the OL coach, warranted or not. It's just surprising, I haven't heard his name as much.

 

[archstanton543]

But if you have to give a skewering of any coach, it would be the OL coach, warranted or not. It's just surprising, I haven't heard his name as much.

It's not like he's Matt Patricia or the other guy we had last year who left the team under mysterious circumstances during the season who we all knew couldn't do the job. This guy is an actual offensive line coach with some success in the league. Also, it's Year 1 of a new rebuild. It's going to take a while for them to have the personnel in place to have success. Patience is the name of the game. In a couple of years, if the O-line still looks like it does today, then, yeah, fire away. But right now we all know the player they have are garbage and as I said, you can't paint the Mona Lisa with finger paints no matter how talented the artist.

 

[Rob0729]

Rookie HC's like McVay were at least known for something. He was a controversial hire, but he was at least known for working well with QB's. What is Mayo known for? Mediocre LB play?

You know he was an OC with another team before the Pats right?

They've been dysfunctional since Parcells' last year in NE. Bob was trying to get Bill to play Bledsoe in 2001 and was going to fire Bill one way or another had they missed the playoffs that season. Bob throwing his HC under the bus a few times thought Bill's tenure. Bob disappearing during "deflate gate". Bob firing a coach for his disciple with no experience. Bob taking credit for the dynasty. The documentary exposed how dysfunctional they were. I'm only scratching the surface here.

Phillip Rivers is a loser and wouldn't have done anything different in the NFC. He's had talented teams, but found ways to miss the playoffs. They got that draft capital to improve their team from the Eli trade.

McVay was in his sixth year as a coach when he was hired by the Rams. He was the OC in Washington which was a good, but not great team. Mayo was the DC here just not in name.

And I get you hate the state of the team right now, but if you are going to rewrite history to fit your narrative, I am not going to continue with you.

I suggest you step away for a bit start looking at things without rewriting history to create a narrative and get back to me.

 

[Vindicate]

It's not like he's Matt Patricia or the other guy we had last year who left the team under mysterious circumstances during the season who we all knew couldn't do the job. This guy is an actual offensive line coach with some success in the league. Also, it's Year 1 of a new rebuild. It's going to take a while for them to have the personnel in place to have success. Patience is the name of the game. In a couple of years, if the O-line still looks like it does today, then, yeah, fire away. But right now we all know the player they have are garbage and as I said, you can't paint the Mona Lisa with finger paints no matter how talented the artist.

Ok I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying, but to be clear I don't disagree. I'm just wondering where he is in the mix of all this.

 

[Tunescribe]

I can't engage with any Bedard material...

The guy has squandered a generational opportunity to brand his segments "Bedard's Regards."

If he can't make that leap I can't trust his judgement in any area.

Have you shared this with him? Maybe he never thought about it. You should at least give him an informed chance before ghosting the guy.

 

[TheRainMaker]

McVay was in his sixth year as a coach when he was hired by the Rams. He was the OC in Washington which was a good, but not great team. Mayo was the DC here just not in name.

And I get you hate the state of the team right now, but if you are going to rewrite history to fit your narrative, I am not going to continue with you.

I suggest you step away for a bit start looking at things without rewriting history to create a narrative and get back to me.

I have no idea where you’re going with this. You only hurt your argument by comparing McVay vs Mayo.

McVay was known by his work with Cousins. The only people that knew about Mayo were Pats fans.

And I’ll say it again, McVay was still a very controversial hire.

 

[PatMan]

Have you shared this with him? Maybe he never thought about it. You should at least give him an informed chance before ghosting the guy.

Very fair question.

And the answer is... I've posted it a NUMBER of times in the comments section of pieces he's produced or contributed to. The final time was this offseason where I was forced to lay out an ultimatum - either start using "Bedard's Regards" or I boycott your material.

He knew the cost of his decision but made it anyway.

 

[Rob0729]

I have no idea where you’re going with this. You only hurt your argument by explaining McVay vs Mayo.

LOL! You lost the argument when you said all Mayo was greatest achievement was being a mediocre LB.

I never said that McVay and Mayo are the same. I pointed out the most successful rookie head coach in the modern era as an example. I specifically said:

I am not saying Mayo will be remotely as good, but his rookie status means nothing to how this is a good team or not.

I mean there are other rookie head coaches who are doing a good job. Look at DeMeco Ryans or Nick Siriani (at least for one year he got his team to the Super Bowl) or Mike Tomlin. Saying someone is a rookie head coach is not a negative. Many rookie head coaches have done very well. And people write off his 9 years as a player as no experience, but give other head coaches for the years that they are nothing other than being gofers getting coffee and making copies for the coaches.

 

[signbabybrady]

If you give a professional artist finger paints and ask them to recreate the Mona Lisa, it isn't going to turn out good.

It would look better than this

 

[TheRainMaker]

LOL! You lost the argument when you said all Mayo was greatest achievement was being a mediocre LB.

I never said that McVay and Mayo are the same. I pointed out the most successful rookie head coach in the modern era as an example. I specifically said:

He was a LB's coach. They still aren't good. He was a "coordinator", but we all know that was Bill's defense. In fact, as we've seen, most of his coordinators forget how to coach when they leave Bill.

What was Mayo known for around the NFL?

I mean there are other rookie head coaches who are doing a good job. Look at DeMeco Ryans or Nick Siriani (at least for one year he got his team to the Super Bowl) or Mike Tomlin. Saying someone is a rookie head coach is not a negative. Many rookie head coaches have done very well. And people write off his 9 years as a player as no experience, but give other head coaches for the years that they are nothing other than being gofers getting coffee and making copies for the coaches.

DeMeco Ryans, Siriani and Tomlin were Coordinators while Mayo was not.

Again, I have no idea what the hell you're even arguing here. You're just saying don't pick on Mayo.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Bedard should call in sick this week .... I mean where does he even start?

 

[Rob0729]

He was a LB's coach. They still aren't good. He was a "coordinator", but we all know that was Bill's defense. In fact, as we've seen, most of his coordinators forget how to coach when they leave Bill.

What was Mayo known for around the NFL?

DeMeco Ryans, Siriani and Tomlin were Coordinators while Mayo was not.

Again, I have no idea what the hell you're even arguing here. You're just saying don't pick on Mayo.

Stop it. Everyone knows that Mayo led the meeting room during defensive meetings. He was an architect of the defense too. He had all the jobs of a defensive coordinator other than calling the plays on Sunday which almost no head coaches do. Mayo was co-DC with Steve Belichick since 2019 when Flores left the Pats (another DC for the Pats who never had the DC title). Until this year, no one has had the defensive coordinator title since Matt Patricia left for the Lions after the 2017 season).

I am pointing out how your irrational hate is making you rewrite history. We get it. You hate Mayo and Kraft. We also get you are completely rewriting history to make them look completely incompetent.

 

[Rob0729]

BTW, Mayo was doing the DC duties that are the most transferable to head coach while Steve Belichick did the job that was more suited for a DC and not head coach.

And other teams were interested enough in Mayo to at least give him interviews. So others in the league saw him as potential head coaching material. In fact, the only reason he may be even on the team and head coach right now is Kraft convinced Mayo not to consider other opportunities as head coach. We will see in the long run if it is for better or worse.