Godchaux Speaks Out on his contract

[Wozzy]

Naive question from someone who doesn't know x's and o's very well. How much is Godchaux's skill dependent on the system, so that if the system were to change under the new HC, would he not be as valuable?

Not really, he had a lot of tackles with the Dolphins prior to becoming a Patriot. I also don’t think Mayo and co will change anything with the defense.

 

[JohnJH]

Pharms is 6'2-300 lbs and Roberts is 6'5-300 lbs. They don't play the same position as Godchaux. Roberts if a 3-4DE / 4-3 UT. He's not a NT. Neither is Pharms for that matter. Not at 300 lbs.

I'm well aware of that. The Patriots are said to play a 3-4. In reality, they play a modified 3-4, which is more like a 4-3 in many respects.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yeah, so his average while he has been a Patriot had been roughly 10 million per. So he’s playing this season (he won’t) for 7 million and no safety net going forward if he gets hurt.

They could give him a slight bump, get him up to ten million. They could add another year if they want, that will take him through 32. The guy has been an iron man for them, never gotten hurt, never gets tired… doesn’t seem like a large gamble to me.

He's not playing for $7m this year. You're forgetting that he got money up front that counts there. I'm also fairly certain he has LTBE per game bonuses.

That being said, according to OverTheCap, Godchaux is 31st is AAV for Interior DTs with his $10.25M. Wilkins just got paid and is making $27M/yr. Bucker is making $23M/yr. Vita Vea is making $17.75M/yr. Giving Godchaux a boost and a 1-2 yr extension where he makes $17.76+M/yr would probably be a good investment.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm well aware of that.

If you were, then why did you post otherwise? *SMH*

 

[Wozzy]

When the Pats signed Godchaux, he was not 330lbs. He was 310lbs. And he was that for the 1st couple of years with the Pats. Maybe he's put on weight since then or maybe the Pats are lying through their teeth about his weight. I don't know.

I can specifically remember going back and forth with the ChickenLittle Brigade over this.

I say that BARMORE and Tavai have had more to do with the Run defense being as stout as it has become. I'm not saying Godchaux is bad He's not. But let's stop pretending that he is Vince Wilfork out there.

I agree, Godhcaux is not dominant like Vince Wilfork in any way. He's not a great athlete and gets by using leverage well and holds his own. That being said if he has one great trait it's his endurance and stamina, for a 310 pound guy his motor never turns off. He's not like one of these big run stuffers that has to come off the field every third play. He stays in the whole game which is unique for a player at his position.

Would I like a better DT next to Barmore, sure... I just don't see that player available on the free agent market right now. All the names available are 35 years old. One DT they should bring in is Carlos Davis from the UFL, the twin brother of Khalil Davis. He played great in the minor league this year and is a plus athlete.

 

[Wozzy]

He's not playing for $7m this year. You're forgetting that he got money up front that counts there. I'm also fairly certain he has LTBE per game bonuses.

That being said, according to OverTheCap, Godchaux is 31st is AAV for Interior DTs with his $10.25M. Wilkins just got paid and is making $27M/yr. Bucker is making $23M/yr. Vita Vea is making $17.75M/yr. Giving Godchaux a boost and a 1-2 yr extension where he makes $17.76+M/yr would probably be a good investment.

Players won't look at money they already received as payment for current services rendered. They're concerned about getting hurt and having no insurance going forward. A little pay bump is reasonable in this case unless they have a better plan... I just don't see who it is.

 

[DaBruinz]

PFF has his run defense at 76.6... good enough for this team..

Those numbers were as a Sub, not a starter. He also lined up 139 times on the END, not at DT last season. If you look at his time in Minnesota and Chicago, his ratings were poor. I

The Pats could see him the way that BB saw Vrabel in 2001. A guy who wasn't used enough at a particular position. Watts HAS experience as a NT having lined up there in Minny and Chicago. And he's about the same size that Godchaux was when Godchaux originally signed.

Watts, when he was signed, was thought to be a reserve Pass-Rushing DT who is an upgrade over Pharms/Roberts and could spell Wise/White. With the experience he has across the D-line, he could potentially be a reserve for Godchaux.

Until we see how Watts does in the Pats system, we don't know what he brings. A perfect example of that is Mike Pennel. Pats brought him in with high hopes and he bombed out. Pennel has since bounced around and landed with the Chiefs on 2 different occasions and has 2 rings to show for it.

 

[JohnJH]

If you were, then why did you post otherwise? *SMH*

Just because I felt like it. It that a good enough reason for you? That would be a rhetorical question, as I don't care what you think.

 

[mgteich]

He was 310lbs for his first 2 seasons with the Pats. Not sure when he magically put on 20lbs, but he looks the same now as he did when he signed.

You are correct. Godchaux was 310 pounds when we signed him.

What signing Davon Godchaux means for the Patriots

Related: Patriots sign defensive tackle Davon Godchaux to two-year, $16 million contract

www.patspulpit.com

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Apparently, hw gained 20 pounds to be able to succeed in the role the patriots had for him.
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He was 330 when we extended him in 2022, 330 now on the patriots site, 330 now on espn.com and 330 now on nfl.com

Report: Patriots Sign DT Davon Godchaux to Contract Extension

The Patriots reportedly signed Godchaux to a two-year contract extension.

www.patriots.com

 

[Real fan 02]

Those numbers were as a Sub, not a starter. He also lined up 139 times on the END, not at DT last season. If you look at his time in Minnesota and Chicago, his ratings were poor. I

The Pats could see him the way that BB saw Vrabel in 2001. A guy who wasn't used enough at a particular position. Watts HAS experience as a NT having lined up there in Minny and Chicago. And he's about the same size that Godchaux was when Godchaux originally signed.

Watts, when he was signed, was thought to be a reserve Pass-Rushing DT who is an upgrade over Pharms/Roberts and could spell Wise/White. With the experience he has across the D-line, he could potentially be a reserve for Godchaux.

Until we see how Watts does in the Pats system, we don't know what he brings. A perfect example of that is Mike Pennel. Pats brought him in with high hopes and he bombed out. Pennel has since bounced around and landed with the Chiefs on 2 different occasions and has 2 rings to show for it.

You are spot on. Watts can rush the passer, and clog the middle to stop the run... Godchaux is solid, not a game wrecker. I mean sure give him a pay bump if it makes him happy.. but I don't think if so chooses to sit out it's going to be advantageous to him.. especially at age 30, and he already got an extension under Bill... I think he's got to be reasonable.. heck Bill didn't even want to pay Vince! And he's no where the caliber of player he was.

 

[Real fan 02]

Players won't look at money they already received as payment for current services rendered. They're concerned about getting hurt and having no insurance going forward. A little pay bump is reasonable in this case unless they have a better plan... I just don't see who it is.

Your right.. I don't think Parker sent a check back to the Patriots for money he didn't deserve. My employer isn't going to pay me in advance!

 

[TheRainMaker]

Looking at the comps, his ceiling isn't very high on a raise.

He's looking at $12M-$14M per year. The closer to $14M you get is really pushing it.

 

[stinkypete]

It boils down to the direction on the scheme.

While our defense has evolved over the past20+ years, the role of the defensive line has remained fairly static. Given the continuity of the roster, Mayo, Covington and Brian Belichick, I would expect a similar system for the next few years.

In that case, the NT has more value here than elsewhere. Over the past decade the defense has struggled most in years where it lacked a legit NT (2013, 2017, 2020).

 

[Real fan 02]

Looking at the comps, his ceiling isn't very high on a raise.

He's looking at $12M-$14M per year. The closer to $14M you get is really pushing it.

How may pro bowls or all pro considerations has he had? Other than Just feeling like he should be given a raise what about his game stands out more than someone at his position substantially prove he's worth it? I'm trying find comparisons throughout the league. Can't come up with anyone.. that position is like RB devalued. I mean I like him as a player, but it's not like he's playing with bums.. he's had judon, Jennings, Uche, Barmore, Bentley, Tavai, peppers all around him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

How may pro bowls or all pro considerations has he had? Other than Just feeling like he should be given a raise what about his game stands out more than someone at his position substantially prove he's worth it? I'm trying find comparisons throughout the league. Can't come up with anyone.. that position is like RB devalued. I mean I like him as a player, but it's not like he's playing with bums.. he's had judon, Jennings, Uche, Barmore, Bentley, Tavai, peppers all around him.

Pats should just ignore him and they can move on from in 2024 with a $3.5M cap hit if he becomes a problem. He would be making a very bad move if he pulls a stunt and tries to hold out.

 

[mgteich]

Pats should just ignore him and they can move on from in 2024 with a $3.5M cap hit if he becomes a problem. He would be making a very bad move if he pulls a stunt and tries to hold out.

No holdout needed. The danger is that he could simply not care very much. Consider that we didn't re-sign one of the top free agent OT's this past pre-season. Brown had talent. He just stopped wanting to play for the patriots. At very least, we should give him aminor pay bump and guarantee his salary for the year.

 

[Real fan 02]

Pats should just ignore him and they can move on from in 2024 with a $3.5M cap hit if he becomes a problem. He would be making a very bad move if he pulls a stunt and tries to hold out.

I agree, I've had this same discussion with Wozzy.. he has no leverage whatsoever.. no one can definitely say watts won't be good in this defense.

 

[Real fan 02]

No holdout needed. The danger is that he could simply not care very much. Consider that we didn't re-sign one of the top free agent OT's this past pre-season. Brown had talent. He just stopped wanting to play for the patriots. At very least, we should give him aminor pay bump and guarantee his salary for the year.

Well if he doesn't care he'll be on the sidelines and, DNPs.. Brown had issues going back to college is why he was a 7th round pick.. scar brung everything out of him and got him 60 million.. I'm not against giving him a bump.. but he's not that guy to be carrying himself like he's Aron Donald if he does have that attitude.

 

[TheRainMaker]

No holdout needed. The danger is that he could simply not care very much. Consider that we didn't re-sign one of the top free agent OT's this past pre-season. Brown had talent. He just stopped wanting to play for the patriots. At very least, we should give him aminor pay bump and guarantee his salary for the year.

We're going to find out whether Brown was losing it or he didn't want to play for the Pats anymore. He looked terrible in 2022 and some posters, including myself, were calling for Bill to get rid of him. He was just as bad in 2023.

Godsmack is in a tough position because even if he was considered an elite run stuffing DT, they aren't in demand anymore due to teams not built to run the football. He can't rush the passer, so I don't know what he thinks he should be paid. If he was offered $11M-$13M he should be grateful and take it.

 

[Real fan 02]

We're going to find out whether Brown was losing it or he didn't want to play for the Pats anymore. He looked terrible in 2022 and some posters, including myself, were calling for Bill to get rid of him. He was just as bad in 2023.

Godsmack is in a tough position because even if he was considered an elite run stuffing DT, they aren't in demand anymore due to teams not built to run the football. He can't rush the passer, so I don't know what he thinks he should be paid. If he was offered $11M-$13M he should be grateful and take it.

He got a nice extension in 22.. as u said he doesn't rush the passer. Those are the guys who get paid. Not to rehash.. but even patriots HOF Vince had to fight hard for his contract.