Gillette attendance after Brady & Belichick retire.

[cupofjoe1962]

Exhibit A: 2008.

With the right head coach, we can win more titles after Tom.

But that time is still years away. Tom's not close to Chelios or Howe or Blanda yet. And no, Tom does not have to be perfect and amazing for us to win it all. His experience, knowledge, talent, composure and leadership are drastically more important than youth.

I agree with you !
Except getting the right coach is not an easy task.

 

[Patstopia]

Was a fan before BB&B and I will be a fan after. With the hopes that I am still here to be a fan come good or bad.

 

[wizwor]

It depends how things play out. If the team falls off with TB12, then many will move on. If new players and leadership emerge, people will hang on. Right now, the NFL is losing a lot of fans. I suspect the Patriots are too. Quietly. Want to shake things up? Trade Brady to San Fran for Jimmy G and Gronk for a young, mature receiver and let Coach work on V2. (Only way this happens is if RKK kicks the bucket and a young, ruthless Jonathon takes the reins.)

 

[mgteich]

Of course, MANY will move on. That isn't the issue. The stadium has sold out in EVERY SINGLE game since Kraft arrived. I don't see that changing because of a change in QB or coach.

It depends how things play out. If the team falls off with TB12, then many will move on. If new players and leadership emerge, people will hang on. Right now, the NFL is losing a lot of fans. I suspect the Patriots are too. Quietly. Want to shake things up? Trade Brady to San Fran for Jimmy G and Gronk for a young, mature receiver and let Coach work on V2. (Only way this happens is if RKK kicks the bucket and a young, ruthless Jonathon takes the reins.)

 

[1960Pats]

11,007

13,909

 

[1960Pats]

The Bobby Orr Bruins of the early 70’s popularity was incredible and never matched by the Celtics. I guess that is what happens when you have the best player “Ever”.

The Neely Bruins of the 80’s & 90’s and even the Stanley Cup Champion Bruins of 2011, couldn’t touch the Bird Celtics of the 1980’s in popularity.

I used to be able to hop on a train in Everett for 25 cents, go to the Boston Garden and buy a seat for $1 and see the true best player ever... Bill Russell.

Ted, Russell, Orr and Brady. YEOW! That's a Mt Rushmore of sports that's tough to beat.

 

[1960Pats]

Starting this awful doom-and-gloom thread.

It's kind of sad that some people need to make themselves miserable. It's really sad that some people need to drag others into their world of misery.

Sports radio talk mediots refer to their audience as "the fellowship of the miserable". That falls into the "sad but true" category, IMHO.

Hopefully some people wake up and realize we have choices in life and we don't need to make ourselves miserable.

At least sports talk show people are doing it to make a living and realize that approach creates listeners.
People on message boards spewing negatively are just doing it because it’s who they are.

What the fans will be like after the B&B show is over is a very legitimate discussion IMHO. I also didn't get as much negativity from the OP as youns did. He seems like a pretty loyal, longtime season ticket holder. I guess my question is, where's the beef?

 

[1960Pats]

The thing that I believe will have the greatest impact on Pats fans once the team comes back down to earth will be the state of the NYFL itself. I'm having trouble with the game as it is and there's no way that I'm enjoying it as much as I have in the past, win or lose.

 

[IllegalContact]

I stopped going to the games after 2006 season afte > 30 years of season tix.......with the advent of HDTV, the traffic and the primetime games wore me out

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The Coalition to Harass, Undermine and Manipulate the Patriots

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Typical Kool aid drinker.

That’s the one thing I hate about this forum.
Too many bandwagon Kool aid drinkers.

Guess I've just been on the bandwagon since 1969.

Seriously, I like Kool-Aid...it seems to be the closest thing to Bug Juice, from my youth...


"...I gotta put that suit on again?"

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

He seems like a pretty loyal, longtime season ticket holder. I guess my question is, where's the beef?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I used to be able to hop on a train in Everett for 25 cents, go to the Boston Garden and buy a seat for $1 and see the true best player ever... Bill Russell.

Ted, Russell, Orr and Brady. YEOW! That's a Mt Rushmore of sports that's tough to beat.

Orr B's were always sold out.

Ever sneak in the Garden through the roof? Every game, "The Screamer" would let loose from up in the rafters around the second period. Once it was right before a face-off and Espo laughed and looked upward...

 

[JMC00]

Pats current sellout streak goes back to 1994...

Belichick was coaching the Browns and Brady was a junior in high school then

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Typical Kool aid drinker.

That’s the one thing I hate about this forum.
Too many bandwagon Kool aid drinkers.

Okay, you want negativity?

We're tied with the Donkeys for most Super Bowl losses.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Pats current sellout streak goes back to 1994...

Belichick was coaching the Browns and Brady was a junior in high school then

I was still single.

And my Pat Patriot jacket was a chick magnet.

 

[maust]

What the fans will be like after the B&B show is over is a very legitimate discussion IMHO. I also didn't get as much negativity from the OP as youns did. He seems like a pretty loyal, longtime season ticket holder. I guess my question is, where's the beef?

I started out on this thread operating on that premise. For a summation of where I ended up take a look at post 58, then take note of the absence of a response to it.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I didn't even mention popularity, I was talking about loyalty. Popularity ? loyalty, popularity can fade in an instant. The proof is in the pudding and the validity of my standpoint is evidenced by what actually happened. The C's fell off and had to practically give away tickets while Jacobs was able to continue bleeding the Black n Gold faithful for decades. The question you posed here is what will attendance look like after BB/Brady are gone and this team sucks for a while. I believe the premise is flawed since this ownership knows what they are about and will not allow it to suck for long.



That's interesting, I am coming up on forty years and I haven't sat through two 1-15 seasons. In fact the Pats have only had one single win season in their entire history. The sad truth of the feeling of hopelessness at end of the Sullivan and Kiam era was bad enough, no need to exaggerate it.



No one so much as intimated McHale did not have value. It's pretty apparent at this point that you are now just looking to manufacture an argument that is not there. It's also a pretty fair guess you may have gotten further into that bottle than you might have originally intended.

Sorry.... I forgot to reply to this post.

Popularity / Loyalty
While Jacobs did bleed the Bruins fans for years, they also made the playoffs on a regular basis. When the Celtics bottomed out under
Pitino & ML Carr, they were far worse than any Bruin team that I can remember.
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You say the Patriots only have 1 single win season in their entire history.

You are correct.... The Rod Rust season.
I was thinking the **** McPhearson season was also a 1-15 season, but it was a 2-14 season. My mistake.
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No one so much as intimated McHale did not have value.

Look at Andy Johnson’s post at 07:18 am yesterday April 3rd.

 

[maust]

Sorry.... I forgot to reply to this post.

Convenient that, pardon my cynicism at the coincidence but it's obvious you are following the thread and it's interesting that you only responded after being called out on it.

Popularity / Loyalty
While Jacobs did bleed the Bruins fans for years, they also made the playoffs on a regular basis. When the Celtics bottomed out under
Pitino & ML Carr, they were far worse than any Bruin team that I can remember.

Do you really believe those everybody gets in NHL de riguer Bruins playoff trips that fans knew were doomed to failure made the Bruins 'popular' and are the reason Jacobs was able to milk Bruins fans rather than their loyalty? Or are you really just that desperate to cling to an indefensible point? Because in the past 20 years they failed to make the playoffs 8 times and the faithful were still there. That most Bruins and Sox fans are/were loyal doesn't obviate that Celts fans aren't but it does blow a hole in the argument that Boston fans only support winners. It's fair to say that the jury is out on today's win spoiled Pats fans but you can not realistically say it about Boston fans as a whole

You say the Patriots only have 1 single win season in their entire history.

You are correct.... The Rod Rust season.
I was thinking the **** McPhearson season was also a 1-15 season, but it was a 2-14 season. My mistake.

As someone that sat through those seasons that was a surprising mistake for you to make but at least you acknowledged it. I personally prized both of those wins, I certainly would never forget one of them.

No one so much as intimated McHale did not have value.
Look at **** *******’s post at 07:18 am yesterday April 3rd

Now it is my turn to admit a 'mistake' of sorts. I never saw what you were responding to, I have that individual's posts set to ignore.

Here:

Ask the Celtics why their 50 year season ticket waiting list evaporated over night & they had to stoop to selling tickets for $10 as an attempt to fill the stadium.

The Celtics after the big 3 retired & the Patriots of the 80’s & early 90’s should be proof that this region does not support a franchise in decline at the gates.

You posited the Celtics after the Big 3 and the Patriots of the 80’s & early 90’s as proof of your premise the region will not support a team in decline. Yet for almost 4 decades after the Orr era the Bruins progressively declined to the point of treading water and yet continued to enjoy support disproportionate to their meager success, not to mention the Sox. The point being Boston in it's heart of hearts has long been a hockey and baseball town. It has never really been a true basketball town. The Celts have had periods of popularity but have never come close to attaining the substantial core of die hard loyal fans enjoyed by the B's & Sox, as a result they need to win to draw. Until the Belichick/Brady era the Pats never enjoyed more than spurts of popularity. They too needed to win to draw, the NFL itself was not ingrained into the regions sports DNA. The past 20+ years may or may not have changed that but to dismiss the possibility it has based on the example of the Celtics while ignoring the examples of the B's & Sox is making a very poor case indeed.

One last thought on that subject. By staying away in droves fans actually prompt owners to field a winner. In that respect Bruins & Sox fans that wanted a winner did themselves no favors for a lot of years. I know I struggled with myself over continuing to support Kiam's version of our team but I am a Pats fan and in the end that won out. I do have to admit I am not sure it would have continued to had his ownership lasted longer than it did.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Ive been on the waitlist since early 2003..yet to get them...people will still go and I will be at every home game once I get them..hopefully next year!