Free Agent WR Brian Hartline and Dolphins in serious talks now

[Brady_to_Moss]

So he most likely will be off market. less and less WRs out there now as working out deals

 

[Banjo]

not really worth it. plenty of late round WRs could do what he did. TY Hilton from the Colts in only his rookie year already has more career TDs than Hartline! LOL Dolphins

 

[BradyManny]

Not going to sweat it. He wasn't going to put us over the top. There's no WR on the FA market [that we can realistically sign] that is a big enough of an upgrade over Lloyd for us to assume we solved our outside WR problem.

It's gotta be the draft. We have to use a 1st or 2nd and hit.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

not really worth it. plenty of late round WRs could do what he did. TY Hilton from the Colts in only his rookie year already has more career TDs than Hartline! LOL Dolphins

i didn't want the pats to get hartline no matter what..just posting that he is probably staying. bowe yesterday...maybe harline soon ect. less and less WRs will mean more $$ for jennings/wallace

some reports on twitter of 6-6.5 million a year for him

 

[ewg_gestalt]

Not going to sweat it. He wasn't going to put us over the top. There's no WR on the FA market [that we can realistically sign] that is a big enough of an upgrade over Lloyd for us to assume we solved our outside WR problem.

It's gotta be the draft. We have to use a 1st or 2nd and hit.

Well that's a frightening thought—the Patriots have to figure out who amongst the huge pile of receivers who:

* has the physical skills to be an "take off the top" outside WR,
* can learn the most complex offense in the NFL, and
* can form a mind meld with TFB.

The issue is that there isn't a college offense that's run closely enough to NE's to make a reasonable comparison. So it's a longshot to expect a prospect—even a top one—to pick up the system.

 

[BradyManny]

Well that's a frightening thought—the Patriots have to figure out who amongst the huge pile of receivers who:

* has the physical skills to be an "take off the top" outside WR,
* can learn the most complex offense in the NFL, and
* can form a mind meld with TFB.

The issue is that there isn't a college offense that's run closely enough to NE's to make a reasonable comparison. So it's a longshot to expect a prospect—even a top one—to pick up the system.

They hit with Hernandez and Gronk - and they've hit at the RB position with Ridley & Vereen. McDaniels recently had great success drafting WR in the first round in Thomas. I think between him and Belichick - they know what to look for.

Most of their attempts at drafting a WR have been a crap shoot (Price, Tate). Bethel was not the failure most make him out to be. The real failure was Chad Jackson, who physically had everything we want - but turned out to be a complete knucklehead.

I'm not saying it's easy, but they have to try - and be smart about it. And part of that is taking a legit, productive WR prospect (not a flier like Tate/Price). They aren't going to find a stud WR any other way.

 

[Deus Irae]

I hope he gets very well paid by the Dolphins.

 

[strngplyr]

I hope he gets very well paid by the Dolphins.

Lets have some of our fake patsfans agents bidding for him at 10y/140m to drive up the dolphins price.

 

[Afam]

Well that's a frightening thought—the Patriots have to figure out who amongst the huge pile of receivers who:

* has the physical skills to be an "take off the top" outside WR,
* can learn the most complex offense in the NFL, and
* can form a mind meld with TFB.

The issue is that there isn't a college offense that's run closely enough to NE's to make a reasonable comparison. So it's a longshot to expect a prospect—even a top one—to pick up the system.

Well said. People keep saying draft a wide receiver, draft a wide receiver in the draft. Makes them think that a college system is going too pickup our system. It takes time too develop a Wide receiver prospect and we are on win now mode.

 

[BradyManny]

It takes time too develop a Wide receiver prospect and we are on win now mode.

Veteran help isn't exactly the answer either. Galloway, Lloyd, Ocho...that's three seasons where we didn't have the right answer at outside wide receiver - although Lloyd was obviously far better than the other two, and plays the position adequately.

We've integrated 6 young players into our offense in the last several years (Gronk, Hernandez, Woodhead, Ridley, Vereen, Edelman) - so I think the notion that this offense is too complex for a rookie is not entirely accurate. It's too complicated for some rookies, but the right rookie makes an impact within 1-2 years. In some cases, a huge impact.

 

[Afam]

Veteran help isn't exactly the answer either. Galloway, Lloyd, Ocho...that's three seasons where we didn't have the right answer at outside wide receiver - although Lloyd was obviously far better than the other two, and plays the position adequately.

We've integrated 6 young players into our offense in the last several years (Gronk, Hernandez, Woodhead, Ridley, Vereen, Edelman) - so I think the notion that this offense is too complex for a rookie is not entirely accurate. It's too complicated for some rookies, but the right rookie makes an impact within 1-2 years. In some cases, a huge impact.

That's what i was trying too say. Furthermore even if we add Welker, we have to go after a deep threat receiver. If a team doubles wes, or presses him, we are screwed. Branch too old and his skills are diminished. Llyod is not cutting it.