Florio: A 1st and 4th for Garoppolo? Not so fast...

[Ring 6]

Mike Glennon is going to get big money

I don't see it. You may be right but it will be a stupid move.

 

[Ring 6]

Bortles has not gotten the coaching

Coaching has been awful but bortles has talent and for a guy thrown into a terrible team as a rookie has done pretty damn well. You can't expect a QB in his first 3 years to carry a bad team with bad coaching.

 

[fightingirish595]

I don't see it. You may be right but it will be a stupid move.

Glennon has showed flashes, No disrespect to Winston, but if I was Tampa I wouldve let given Glennon more a chance, He actually had a decent rookie year, No one traded for him because no one was going to give up what they needed too when hes going to be a free agent

Coaching has been awful but bortles has talent and for a guy thrown into a terrible team as a rookie has done pretty damn well. You can't expect a QB in his first 3 years to carry a bad team with bad coaching.

Agree hes talented, You usually do not throw 30 TDs in year two by accident. I like Bortles

 

[Ring 6]

Glennon has showed flashes, No disrespect to Winston, but if I was Tampa I wouldve let given Glennon more a chance, He actually had a decent rookie year, No one traded for him because no one was going to give up what they needed too when hes going to be a free agent

I think he gets a one year deal and gets a chance to win a job and get a pay day.

Agree hes talented, You usually do not throw 30 TDs in year two by accident. I like Bortles

Well he hasn't been great by any stretch but he is a young guy thrown in there on a bad team who showed some growing pains.
It's funny to me that people think how Jimmy g spent the last 3 years vs how bortles didn't it puts him ahead of a guy he wasn't graded close to when they came out.

Doesn't mean Jimmy g can't surpass him, just that all of the data suggested it's not likely.

 

[kennyb]

Mallett was once worth the 6th overall pick.

 

[IllegalContact]

There's no point in moving garoppolo for anything less than a high 1st plus another decent pick

I would rather have jimmy around for another year as a dud who can still win it all if Brady goes down

Draft picks are random and the pats have no problem digging up players to fill a roster

All the qbs that will be available are synonymous with failure....if the price for jimmy is too high, let's see where they can get with cutler or kaepernick....good freaking luck with that

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

What if I told you there was a hand shake deal for the Browns to get Garoppolo and hence the lopsided Collins trade? This is an unadulterated supposition .

If the front office for the Browns is still intact at the end of the season.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Mallett and O'Connell disprove that theory. The players I mentioned disprove the "We need a first round draft pick to replace JAG" theory.

Basically, we've got a lot of people posting silly ****, on both sides of this equation.

You mentioned a bunch of guys who proved to be goodto fair backups, but not a franchise QB among them. What about Mallett, Salisbury, and the SanDiego or LSU guys higher picks, but so insignificant I don't recall their names?

 

[Ring 6]

There's no point in moving garoppolo for anything less than a high 1st plus another decent pick

I would rather have jimmy around for another year as a dud who can still win it all if Brady goes down

Draft picks are random and the pats have no problem digging up players to fill a roster

All the qbs that will be available are synonymous with failure....if the price for jimmy is too high, let's see where they can get with cutler or kaepernick....good freaking luck with that

The reason would be get what you can now because you will get less later. You won't get as much if you have to tag him as you willl get with a year left on the rookie contract.
Still aren't getting high 1 imo but waiting a year will drastically hurt value.
The question is whether having him as injury insurance is more important than the trade value.

 

[AzPatsFan]

The reason would be get what you can now because you will get less later. You won't get as much if you have to tag him as you willl get with a year left on the rookie contract.
Still aren't getting high 1 imo but waiting a year will drastically hurt value.
The question is whether having him as injury insurance is more important than the trade value.

Your assertion is a common, but unproved assumption. What would you pay to have an adequate backup QB as we are Super Bowl contenders in 2017 and 2018? If you need him, is it worth a 1st, or a 2nd, or a 3rd, or a 4th? The Vikes thought a 1 and 4 was not too much; and their QB is not 39 years old either... If I bet my teams future on a QB, I sure would want to secure his services with a new and longer contract!

 

[Ring 6]

Your assertion is a common, but unproved assumption. What would you pay to have an adequate backup QB as we are Super Bowl contenders in 2017 and 2018? If you need him, is it worth a 1st, or a 2nd, or a 3rd, or a 4th? The Vikes thought a 1 and 4 was not too much; and their QB is not 39 years old either... If I bet my teams future on a QB, I sure would want to secure his services with a new and longer contract!

If he has a year left in his rookie contract I can figure out if he is worth big money and I have the tag. If he is tagged I have commuted big money to him.
Teams aren't thinking they are getting a sure thing in Jimmy g because he is unproven. So the "free" year and the tag after makes him more attractive.
They aren't betting their future on him they are trading a pick

 

[IllegalContact]

The reason would be get what you can now because you will get less later. You won't get as much if you have to tag him as you willl get with a year left on the rookie contract.
Still aren't getting high 1 imo but waiting a year will drastically hurt value.
The question is whether having him as injury insurance is more important than the trade value.

Get what you can? As in another Easley? Dowling?

I'd rather have him for another year and take a comp pick than give him up for a 2nd now considering you still have the ability to franchise him for a deal

Without him, if your 49 year old qb goes down, you are done

 

[JoeSixPat]

Mike Florio warns of roadblocks if Patriots are expecting big haul for Jimmy Garoppolo



Whole interview in the link. Florio's mostly right... it is supply and demand. But really what Bill needs is two interested parties... two to tango.



Edit: Or MAYBE one... if that one is a little...



...off.

It is indeed supply and demand - and there's only one McDaniels and only one Garoppolo

And if an organization wants McDaniels and McDaniels wants Garoppolo, then Belichick can almost name his price for giving up "the pair"

There's a lot of "if's" in that equation but I think it's more likely than not that McDaniels may have a preference for the QB on the market that he knows best after Brady

It doesn't matter how many NFL re-treads are on the market - that's not what Garoppolo is, and acquiring Garappolo might just be the price that an organization has to pay to secure McDaniels

If that's the case, Belichick may insist on a higher price than the 1st and 4th Goodell took away

 

[Ring 6]

It is indeed supply and demand - and there's only one McDaniels and only one Garoppolo

And if an organization wants McDaniels and McDaniels wants Garoppolo, then Belichick can almost name his price for giving up "the pair"

There's a lot of "if's" in that equation but I think it's more likely than not that McDaniels may have a preference for the QB on the market that he knows best after Brady

It doesn't matter how many NFL re-treads are on the market - that's not what Garoppolo is, and acquiring Garappolo might just be the price that an organization has to pay to secure McDaniels

If that's the case, Belichick may insist on a higher price than the 1st and 4th Goodell took away

I think it is ridiculously presumptuous to think that Josh McDaniel could go to an interview and say if you want to hire me away from the patriots you need to overpay them for a QB I like who hadn't proven himself.

We don't know at this point what McDaniels real assessment of Jimmy g is by the way. He may see limitations and have doubts.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

It is indeed supply and demand - and there's only one McDaniels and only one Garoppolo

And if an organization wants McDaniels and McDaniels wants Garoppolo, then Belichick can almost name his price for giving up "the pair"

Patriots have zero say over McDaniels. Teams cannot block or require compensation for a coach or front office person moving to a promotion.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I think it is ridiculously presumptuous to think that Josh McDaniel could go to an interview and say if you want to hire me away from the patriots you need to overpay them for a QB I like who hadn't proven himself.

We don't know at this point what McDaniels real assessment of Jimmy g is by the way. He may see limitations and have doubts.

As I noted several times, there's a lot of "ifs" in that equation

The biggest being "IF" Garoppolo is the guy that McDaniels wants

But aside from that, if McDaniels is taking a job elsewhere as HC, then yes, within reason he does get to decide who he wants his QB to be - and IF that's Garoppolo, then his value is greater than if McDaniels didn't want him

But it's not like McDaniels is going to be the one insisting on overpaying. I think you're selling Belichick short in that he's going to have a say in these things as well. He wouldn't hamstring McDaniels and be overly greedy - but I think that's the minimum price Belichick would set as well.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Patriots have zero say over McDaniels. Teams cannot block or require compensation for a coach or front office person moving to a promotion.

Correct.

But if you think they don't have any such say over trading Garoppolo, you're kidding yourself

McDaniels is only going to go to an organization where he can have a QB who runs his offense

If there's a lot of them among all these NFL retreads engaged in musical mediocre chairs, well then I guess McDaniels has a ton of choices out there

But if McDaniels thinks he's best off with the QB he knows best after Brady (and I'm not sure why that's such a far fetched notion to some) then Garoppolo's stock is a lot higher

 

[Ring 6]

As I noted several times, there's a lot of "ifs" in that equation

The biggest being "IF" Garoppolo is the guy that McDaniels wants

But aside from that, if McDaniels is taking a job elsewhere as HC, then yes, within reason he does get to decide who he wants his QB to be - and IF that's Garoppolo, then his value is greater than if McDaniels didn't want him

But it's not like McDaniels is going to be the one insisting on overpaying. I think you're selling Belichick short in that he's going to have a say in these things as well. He wouldn't hamstring McDaniels and be overly greedy - but I think that's the minimum price Belichick would set as well.

Wait. Now you think BB will take less than he could get to do a favor for McDaniels? Really?

So are you portraying this as McDaniels makes trading for Jimmy g a condition of hiring him or not?

 

[Ronbo]

Mike Florio warns of roadblocks if Patriots are expecting big haul for Jimmy Garoppolo



Whole interview in the link. Florio's mostly right... it is supply and demand. But really what Bill needs is two interested parties... two to tango.



Edit: Or MAYBE one... if that one is a little...



...off.

There might be 20 Qbs available but who can say they learned from the GOAT!

 

[JoeSixPat]

Wait. Now you think BB will take less than he could get to do a favor for McDaniels? Really?

So are you portraying this as McDaniels makes trading for Jimmy g a condition of hiring him or not?

I'm saying McDaniels is only going to an organization where he gets "his" QB

If that happens to be Garoppolo then yes, that's an arrangement that would likely be brokered before it's announced (they'd never announce the quid pro quo connecting coach and player - but it's happened before and it will happen again.)

And I expect that McDaniels would be moving on with Belichick's blessing - preferably NOT to a division rival - ideally in a totally different conference. And if that's the case, no Belichick will not hold Garropolo hostage and demand the next decade of 1st round picks from McDaniels.

He'll demand what's fair - and perhaps a little less than what's fair if he can keep Garoppolo from going to a division rival, and out of respect for McDaniels who seems to recognize what Mangini didn't about benefitting from being on the Belichick coaching tree