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Fantastic NFL.com Profile on Mac Jones (history, anecdotes)

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Thanks for that great article on Mac Jones! :thumbsup:

People like to downplay Jones accomplishments because he had great weapons at Alabama. Conversely, I'd say, well at least Jones has confirmed he can drive the Ferrari at full throttle, in other words he's not going to be the bottleneck, he's going to be the guy who unleashes the full potential of the offense. I also like the part in the story where he specifically works on the deep ball with his coach in the offseason. And then because of that training he throws for an NCAA record 77% that year to go along with 41 passing touchdowns vs only 4 interceptions.

People like to throw buzz words like off-platform and freak athleticism. But they don't like to talk about fundamentals and sound football. Mac Jones hates turnovers. He hated them so much he would purposely throw the ball away even when he was scout team QB. A fundamentally sound QB avoids turnovers and favors making positive plays that are available.

Mac Jones has fast play processing speed, good decision making, a quick release, and fundamentally sound throwing technique. Those good fundamentals also allow Mac Jones to deliver a good deep ball. Check out the throw at 3:55. Mac Jones delivers a touchdown pass from the Alabama logo. Impressive stuff. You rarely need to or want to make throws longer than that in the NFL simply because longer throws have a higher chance of interception, but it's good to know that he can make deep throws to take advantage of coverages when the receiver gets open.

Overall I feel really good about this kid after reading his story. Like Brady he had to wait his chance behind Tua and Hurts. Mack Jones has the chip because he was never considered the #1 guy, he had to earn it. Mac Jones is coming into a similar situation in the NFL with a chip. He'll always look at the 4 guys taken ahead of him and want to prove the teams who passed on him wrong. With the Patriots, Mac Jones has landed in the perfect situation to take his revenge upon the teams that passed him up. Time to prove the world wrong. You were considered the least of the 5 Quarterbacks by the pundits and the NFL, Mac Jones, can you play the last Joke on your doubters?
The same people gush over Trevor Lawrence even though he's had every bit as good a supporting cast. Really, there's not much more Jones could have done in 2020 other than transform himself into a workout wonder. I've said it before and I'll say it again, pundits are far too enamored with athleticism and measurables at QB instead of can he play? Mac Jones can play: boy can he play.
 

DropKickFlutie

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The same people gush over Trevor Lawrence even though he's had every bit as good a supporting cast. Really, there's not much more Jones could have done in 2020 other than transform himself into a workout wonder. I've said it before and I'll say it again, pundits are far too enamored with athleticism and measurables at QB instead of can he play? Mac Jones can play: boy can he play.

Agree. I'm not convinced Lawrence is a sure thing. It's interesting how QBs get stratified based on how fast they can run 40 yards compared to making quick good decisions and accurate in-rhythm throws for 90 snaps.
 

DropKickFlutie

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I'm seeing news saying Mac emulated Brady's training or pocket training. WHO CARES. Yes study the best on pocket slides and movement and throwing motion and anything else. If he ends up being Kobe emulating Jordan and wins 5 rings instead of (7), who cares ???

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PatsFanInVa

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"There's a party going on in his head at all times"
- 5th grade teacher

I love his 5th grade teacher lol
 

The Boomer

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Long read.

1. He laughs a lot and is goofy, teammates call him Joker.
2. He's ultra competitive
3. He hates throwing INTs so much he refused to force passes as scout team QB which pissed off Saban.
3. He butts helmets pregame with teammates like Brady used to, he gets psyched up for games. He gets so excited after touchdowns he still holds the extra point kicks to calm himself down.
4. He models his training after watching Tom vs Time.
5. After a freshman year DUI, all he does now is live in the gym and film room and he doesn't go out.

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I do a lot of amateur unlicensed forensic psychological evaluations working in a different but related field for 42 years. I remember every Pats QB going back to Babe Parrilli although I never knew enough about any of them, except maybe overachieving perfectionist Brady who was always motivated by having something to prove to the world with that chip on his shoulder. He is always striving to prove that his critics are wrong about his misperceived deficiencies. The GOAT is a football genius.

Mac is something different. He is an outrageous genius. He is the often distracted and rebellious ADHD but increasingly hyper focused former underachiever who mastered a craft. It is hyperactivity transformed into high achievement. He is more fun and funny to be around than someone like Brady. Irreverence is a go to coping mechanism to handle pressure. He sees the irony and humor in every difficult problem to solve.

Those practice squad years were an opportunity to learn from mistakes and outwit the best college defense, year after year, during his 3 years practicing against them. It was not an insult, but a chance that he figured out how to exploit. Almost no other college team, including those with more physically gifted quarterbacks, could beat them in a real game. Mac was testing himself against them on an almost daily basis behind the scenes.

Transitions to new and unfamiliar settings are hard for someone like this. Redshirt years are extremely beneficial for him. He must first master rhythm and routine to cope with the difficult turmoil that makes change difficult for him. He is highly intuitive. At work, he is a high achieving ENTJ (Myers-Briggs) Field Marshall General commanding his troops. He is a fun to know George Patton who won’t always follow orders that he thinks are wrong. At the same time, he recognizes and learns from his mistakes. His integrity as a QB is more important than his perfection..

Running scout teams is an opportunity for him. He improved not because of who surrounded him on the field but by who he challenged himself against. The gifted athletes playing around him last season made him better. However, his gift was to figure out how to extract the best possible performances from them. This ability to manage his troops is what makes him a winner. He is the less physically gifted PG who knows how to hustle and distribute the ball to make his teammates better. He is a football version of Rondo with a unique but visionary intelligence to assist his teammates.

He must work hard to overcome his distractable cognitive deficits to hyper-focus, task by task, to master the difficulties of his profession that he instinctively recognized was the right choice for him. His manufacture of one of the greatest college seasons ever produced by a quarterback proved that he can evolve and harness his gifts.

The often misunderstood but sometimes lovable hyperactive 5th grade party is still going on inside his head. If I am right, it will be entertaining and fun to watch his professional development while he figures out how to harness this still ongoing party to minimize and avoid becoming an underperforming genius. Focused ADHD overachievers can accomplish a lot.
 

jah

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Agree. I'm not convinced Lawrence is a sure thing. It's interesting how QBs get stratified based on how fast they can run 40 yards compared to making quick good decisions and accurate in-rhythm throws for 90 snaps.
Nobody is a sure thing, I really don't get what makes Lawrence more untouchable than anyone else. Is he really the only prospect who has both physical and mental tools?

Sure, I'd probably take him over any of the other 2021 QB, but the way people talk about him is just setting up another disappointment in the vein of Luck, RG3.
 

RobertWeathers

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Nobody is a sure thing, I really don't get what makes Lawrence more untouchable than anyone else. Is he really the only prospect who has both physical and mental tools?

Sure, I'd probably take him over any of the other 2021 QB, but the way people talk about him is just setting up another disappointment in the vein of Luck, RG3.
Historically speaking QBs taken 1st overall have had above-average careers.
 

DropKickFlutie

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I do a lot of amateur unlicensed forensic psychological evaluations working in a different but related field for 42 years. I remember every Pats QB going back to Babe Parrilli although I never knew enough about any of them, except maybe overachieving perfectionist Brady who was always motivated by having something to prove to the world with that chip on his shoulder. He is always striving to prove that his critics are wrong about his misperceived deficiencies. The GOAT is a football genius.

Mac is something different. He is an outrageous genius. He is the often distracted and rebellious ADHD but increasingly hyper focused former underachiever who mastered a craft. It is hyperactivity transformed into high achievement. He is more fun and funny to be around than someone like Brady. Irreverence is a go to coping mechanism to handle pressure. He sees the irony and humor in every difficult problem to solve.

Those practice squad years were an opportunity to learn from mistakes and outwit the best college defense, year after year, during his 3 years practicing against them. It was not an insult, but a chance that he figured out how to exploit. Almost no other college team, including those with more physically gifted quarterbacks, could beat them in a real game. Mac was testing himself against them on an almost daily basis behind the scenes.

Transitions to new and unfamiliar settings are hard for someone like this. Redshirt years are extremely beneficial for him. He must first master rhythm and routine to cope with the difficult turmoil that makes change difficult for him. He is highly intuitive. At work, he is a high achieving ENTJ (Myers-Briggs) Field Marshall General commanding his troops. He is a fun to know George Patton who won’t always follow orders that he thinks are wrong. At the same time, he recognizes and learns from his mistakes. His integrity as a QB is more important than his perfection..

Running scout teams is an opportunity for him. He improved not because of who surrounded him on the field but by who he challenged himself against. The gifted athletes playing around him last season made him better. However, his gift was to figure out how to extract the best possible performances from them. This ability to manage his troops is what makes him a winner. He is the less physically gifted PG who knows how to hustle and distribute the ball to make his teammates better. He is a football version of Rondo with a unique but visionary intelligence to assist his teammates.

He must work hard to overcome his distractable cognitive deficits to hyper-focus, task by task, to master the difficulties of his profession that he instinctively recognized was the right choice for him. His manufacture of one of the greatest college seasons ever produced by a quarterback proved that he can evolve and harness his gifts.

The often misunderstood but sometimes lovable hyperactive 5th grade party is still going on inside his head. If I am right, it will be entertaining and fun to watch his professional development while he figures out how to harness this still ongoing party to minimize and avoid becoming an underperforming genius. Focused ADHD overachievers can accomplish a lot.

Phenomenal post
 

RobertWeathers

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Does the above average mean more, however, you have a couple who pan out and the other half are total busts?
When I look at the list of QBs taken #1, more of a general statement with a few outright busts (Couch, Russell) and few HoFs but the majority of them being productive and having successful NFL careers.

1944NFLAngelo BertelliQBBoston YanksNotre Dame
1946NFLBoley DancewiczQBBoston YanksNotre Dame
1948NFLHarry GilmerQBWashington RedskinsAlabama
1952NFLBilly WadeQBLos Angeles RamsVanderbilt
1954NFLBobby GarrettQBCleveland BrownsStanford
1955NFLGeorge ShawQBBaltimore ColtsOregon
1958NFLKing HillQBChicago CardinalsRice
1959NFLRandy DuncanQBGreen Bay PackersIowa
1962AFLRoman GabrielQBOakland RaidersNorth Carolina St.
1963NFLTerry BakerQBLos Angeles RamsOregon St.
1964AFLJack ConcannonQBBoston PatriotsBoston Col.
1965AFLJoe NamathQBNew York JetsAlabama
1970NFLTerry BradshawQBPittsburgh SteelersLouisiana Tech
1971NFLJim PlunkettQBNew England PatriotsStanford
1975NFLSteve BartkowskiQBAtlanta FalconsCalifornia
1983NFLJohn ElwayQBBaltimore ColtsStanford
1987NFLVinny TestaverdeQBTampa Bay BuccaneersMiami (FL)
1989NFLTroy AikmanQBDallas CowboysUCLA
1990NFLJeff GeorgeQBIndianapolis ColtsIllinois
1993NFLDrew BledsoeQBNew England PatriotsWashington St.
1998NFLPeyton ManningQBIndianapolis ColtsTennessee
1999NFLTim CouchQBCleveland BrownsKentucky
2001NFLMichael VickQBAtlanta FalconsVirginia Tech
2002NFLDavid CarrQBHouston TexansFresno St.
2003NFLCarson PalmerQBCincinnati BengalsUSC
2004NFLEli ManningQBSan Diego ChargersMississippi
2005NFLAlex SmithQBSan Francisco 49ersUtah
2007NFLJaMarcus RussellQBOakland RaidersLSU
2009NFLMatthew StaffordQBDetroit LionsGeorgia
2010NFLSam BradfordQBSt. Louis RamsOklahoma
2011NFLCam NewtonQBCarolina PanthersAuburn
2012NFLAndrew LuckQBIndianapolis ColtsStanford
2015NFLJameis WinstonQBTampa Bay BuccaneersFlorida St.
2016NFLJared GoffQBLos Angeles RamsCalifornia
2018NFLBaker MayfieldQBCleveland BrownsOklahoma
2019NFLKyler MurrayQBArizona CardinalsOklahoma
2020NFLJoe BurrowQBCincinnati BengalsLSU
2021NFLTrevor LawrenceQBJacksonville Jaguars
 

DropKickFlutie

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When I look at the list of QBs taken #1, more of a general statement with a few outright busts (Couch, Russell) and few HoFs but the majority of them being productive and having successful NFL careers.

1944NFLAngelo BertelliQBBoston YanksNotre Dame
1946NFLBoley DancewiczQBBoston YanksNotre Dame
1948NFLHarry GilmerQBWashington RedskinsAlabama
1952NFLBilly WadeQBLos Angeles RamsVanderbilt
1954NFLBobby GarrettQBCleveland BrownsStanford
1955NFLGeorge ShawQBBaltimore ColtsOregon
1958NFLKing HillQBChicago CardinalsRice
1959NFLRandy DuncanQBGreen Bay PackersIowa
1962AFLRoman GabrielQBOakland RaidersNorth Carolina St.
1963NFLTerry BakerQBLos Angeles RamsOregon St.
1964AFLJack ConcannonQBBoston PatriotsBoston Col.
1965AFLJoe NamathQBNew York JetsAlabama
1970NFLTerry BradshawQBPittsburgh SteelersLouisiana Tech
1971NFLJim PlunkettQBNew England PatriotsStanford
1975NFLSteve BartkowskiQBAtlanta FalconsCalifornia
1983NFLJohn ElwayQBBaltimore ColtsStanford
1987NFLVinny TestaverdeQBTampa Bay BuccaneersMiami (FL)
1989NFLTroy AikmanQBDallas CowboysUCLA
1990NFLJeff GeorgeQBIndianapolis ColtsIllinois
1993NFLDrew BledsoeQBNew England PatriotsWashington St.
1998NFLPeyton ManningQBIndianapolis ColtsTennessee
1999NFLTim CouchQBCleveland BrownsKentucky
2001NFLMichael VickQBAtlanta FalconsVirginia Tech
2002NFLDavid CarrQBHouston TexansFresno St.
2003NFLCarson PalmerQBCincinnati BengalsUSC
2004NFLEli ManningQBSan Diego ChargersMississippi
2005NFLAlex SmithQBSan Francisco 49ersUtah
2007NFLJaMarcus RussellQBOakland RaidersLSU
2009NFLMatthew StaffordQBDetroit LionsGeorgia
2010NFLSam BradfordQBSt. Louis RamsOklahoma
2011NFLCam NewtonQBCarolina PanthersAuburn
2012NFLAndrew LuckQBIndianapolis ColtsStanford
2015NFLJameis WinstonQBTampa Bay BuccaneersFlorida St.
2016NFLJared GoffQBLos Angeles RamsCalifornia
2018NFLBaker MayfieldQBCleveland BrownsOklahoma
2019NFLKyler MurrayQBArizona CardinalsOklahoma
2020NFLJoe BurrowQBCincinnati BengalsLSU
2021NFLTrevor LawrenceQBJacksonville Jaguars

Thank you sir.

Ok.

So going 1-15 results in most likely not busting at the QB spot. How many of them became good after ?
 

cscirpoli

2nd Team Getting Their First Start
Mac tweeted himself playing Madden this week. Interestingly he played as the Patriots against the Buccaneers....


Of course he does, he wants a shot at the GOAT. I'm willing to put money on him starting by that game. I'm sure he has it circled on the calendar
 

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