ESPN Sex Lawsuit.....

[cmasspatsfan]

I supervise some women. You can’t call them doll face or dream girl or send them shirtless photos, all of that is massively inappropriate. One reason for the strictness is to promote solid and professional boundaries. Another is because if they need to be fired or reprimanded, you opened up a sexual harassment claim with your inappropriate flirting which totally undermines any legitimate action you undertake. Kind of a no brainer in fact. You guys might be right and she welcomed the flirting until it didn’t meet her needs, but all that’s needed is the appearance of impropriety here. Buccigross texted himself into a problem IMO.

Disagree, they were dating and that was them talking like two people dating and infatuated with each other. He wasn't her boss, they both just worked at the same place. She's pissed and is looking for compensation, lucky John B. Saved his texts messages so you can get the context and not cherry picked texts.

 

[Ring 6]

I supervise some women. You can’t call them doll face or dream girl or send them shirtless photos, all of that is massively inappropriate. One reason for the strictness is to promote solid and professional boundaries. Another is because if they need to be fired or reprimanded, you opened up a sexual harassment claim with your inappropriate flirting which totally undermines any legitimate action you undertake. Kind of a no brainer in fact. You guys might be right and she welcomed the flirting until it didn’t meet her needs, but all that’s needed is the appearance of impropriety here. Buccigross texted himself into a problem IMO.

Buccigross is not her supervisor. They are coworkers who clearly had a relationship outside of work.
People who happen to work at the same place can communicate with each other and try to develop a relationship, romantic or otherwise.
Nothing Buccigross did is even in the vicinity of wrong.

 

[Tony2046]

I supervise some women. You can’t call them doll face or dream girl or send them shirtless photos, all of that is massively inappropriate. One reason for the strictness is to promote solid and professional boundaries. Another is because if they need to be fired or reprimanded, you opened up a sexual harassment claim with your inappropriate flirting which totally undermines any legitimate action you undertake. Kind of a no brainer in fact. You guys might be right and she welcomed the flirting until it didn’t meet her needs, but all that’s needed is the appearance of impropriety here. Buccigross texted himself into a problem IMO.

His actions may or may not have violated company policy but they are nowhere near sexual harassment.

 

[Patriot Missile]

A lot of the coming forward these last couple of months since Weinstein has been appropriate to expose some of these losers for what they are.

I hope that people dont use this as a means to further themselves or as an act of revenge. It would demean what some of these ladies are fighting for putting their personal lives out there.

Not saying espn accusations are true or false either.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I supervise some women. You can’t call them doll face or dream girl or send them shirtless photos, all of that is massively inappropriate. One reason for the strictness is to promote solid and professional boundaries. Another is because if they need to be fired or reprimanded, you opened up a sexual harassment claim with your inappropriate flirting which totally undermines any legitimate action you undertake. Kind of a no brainer in fact. You guys might be right and she welcomed the flirting until it didn’t meet her needs, but all that’s needed is the appearance of impropriety here. Buccigross texted himself into a problem IMO.

Disagree completely. The text chain showed that the Globe writer took Buccigross completely out of context. His “ dream girl” comment was a response to her telling him she was bringing bourbon to dinner, the photo was a tepid response to her telling him she was taking a photo of a “ ninja priest,” on a plane, and she responded by saying “ keep your clothes on ,” and then asked “what he was doing that night?” Hardly the response of someone who was actually offended, and his “long legs” comment was a response to her telling him she would adjust the seat at his desk when she used it.

I’m not going to argue that ESPN is in the clear when it comes to abusive and harassment behavior, in fact I’m betting it was rampant, but the charges against Buccigross, to this point, seem to be a deliberate misrepresentation of the relationship in an attempt to bolster her lawsuit against ESPN.

 

[neuronet]

I'm not seeing SH in these texts.

Call me out if I'm wrong?

Sending pics of yourself with shirt off is weird. But he obviously thought they were dating or was interested.

 

[RayClay]

I supervise some women. You can’t call them doll face or dream girl or send them shirtless photos, all of that is massively inappropriate. One reason for the strictness is to promote solid and professional boundaries. Another is because if they need to be fired or reprimanded, you opened up a sexual harassment claim with your inappropriate flirting which totally undermines any legitimate action you undertake. Kind of a no brainer in fact. You guys might be right and she welcomed the flirting until it didn’t meet her needs, but all that’s needed is the appearance of impropriety here. Buccigross texted himself into a problem IMO.

Back in my day, we had phones. No, not the internet, texting, downloading ones, the ones you talked on. Depending on your local phone tapping laws, you might be able to flirt without leaving a record that is admissable in court. You can still do that on a phone, by the way.

 

[RayClay]

Sending pics of yourself with shirt off is weird. But he obviously thought they were dating or was interested.

It sounds like we're dating. Still, girls don't want to see your junk or naked anything. Of course, if she sends him topless photos, then her full naked spread in beaver magazine, she's just being friendly. That's the way of the world. Don't be a dumbass.

 

[Ring 6]

Sending pics of yourself with shirt off is weird. But he obviously thought they were dating or was interested.

The dude obviously was trying to date her. She was friendly but unclear asked on the texts. After she didn’t respond for a couple of hours he sent the poor me I guess you don’t think of me like that text. The shirtless photo was an attempt to say hey I’m not as much of a geek as you think.
I feel bad for Buccigross.

 

[Kontradiction]

Sending pics of yourself with shirt off is weird. But he obviously thought they were dating or was interested.

And she wasn’t doing anything to dispel that at the beginning. They were flirting. It was obvious. **** like this is why people are right to be skeptical about these sexual harassment allegations until proof is presented. These examples are also why the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Ring 6]

And she wasn’t doing anything to dispel that at the beginning. They were flirting. It was obvious. **** like this is why people are right to be skeptical about these sexual harassment allegations until proof is presented. These examples are also why the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

On the other hand the other target of her complaint, Matthew berry appears to be much more legitimate.

 

[Richard Camembert]

I’m just saying that: Buccigross crossed a line in his texting (so dumb to use that medium), he was a far more senior and important asset for ESPN than was she even though she appears not to have been a direct report and therefore there could be a power imbalance; and, he should have known not to send that risky text because that kind of behavior opens the door to sexual harassment claims (even if they’re BS). Such a sequence seems to have happened in this case, where she claims that her complaints against Buccigross then were used to stop her progress at ESPN. Because of the sequence (flirting>>complaint>>no full time position) this seems harder to challenge IMO. Also, I don’t think they were dating, though didn’t he just divorce this year?

I don’t feel too badly for Buccigross; he defecated where he ingests. I also don’t think he will get punished too badly because I think his contract is up this year and he would probably be allowed to just let that expire.

 

[Kontradiction]

On the other hand the other target of her complaint, Matthew berry appears to be much more legitimate.

I haven’t seen Berry’s. I’ll give it a look. Buccigross was definitely NOT harassment, though.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I know in one if the texts he made her dinner at his house, that's where the dream girl comment because she liked bourbon came from. If you read all the texts it was clear there was interest from both sides, unless she was setting him up in case, who knows.

 

[Ring 6]

I know in one if the texts he made her dinner at his house, that's where the dream girl comment because she liked bourbon came from. If you read all the texts it was clear there was interest from both sides, unless she was setting him up in case, who knows.

If she wanted to set him up she could have evoked much more by feigning more interest.
One of the comments in the suit was he called her “long legs”. It was actually a resoinse to him offering her his office to use and she said she wouldn’t change the seat height on him.
She could have flirted that response into more if she was out to do it.

 

[Patriot Missile]

qrong thread

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Well I am not posting in the GDT thread and post game threads.

A suit against BSPN for libel, slander and bias against the Patriots would be at least entirely substantive.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I'm not seeing SH in these texts.

Call me out if I'm wrong?

...who's she looking at?

 

[RobertWeathers]

...who's she looking at?

"Classic *****"

Kiam was an embarrassment

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

"Classic *****"

Kiam was an embarrassment

Kiam certainly was portrayed as such by the press, and it remains his legacy today.

A great businessman who did things the right way, he treated his employees and customers fairly; I don't recall any complaints from them about treatment, men or women alike.

Like another Patriots owner whose name begins with a K, he did not stand up and fight against the commissioner, who after another typical witch hunt investigation under the aegis of former Watergate scandal prosecutor Philip Heymann, used the familiar "The Patriots 'damaged' the league" phrase.

Kiam was understandably furious. He let his emotions get the better of him, and lashed out. That took care of his public legacy.

None of the players, all of them African-American, paid any of the fines they were levied, after they were charged in the suit with "mind-rape." Zeke Mowatt, the most famously referred-to suspect, was guilty of saying to Olson, "You're not writing, you're looking." How Olson could be aware of all the alleged inappropriate behavior allegedly directed toward her while she was "working", or "writing", and when her back was turned, is a mystery.