Patriots Rumor ESPN hitpiece on Patriots (Rift with Brady/Belichick/Kraft) - Merged

[Clonamery]

Tomase should have been clipped on the street after what he did in 2007 just before the Super bowl. This fat **** needs his nuts kicked up to his throat.

Be nice. You should be inviting him to Foxborough for tea and hammers...I mean crumpets.

 

[luuked]

Wickersham's "foundation" for his claim about a BB-Kraft rift is his claim that BB wanted to trade Brady and keep JG but Kraft "ordered" BB to keep Brady and trade JG.

Miguel tweeted something yesterday that destroys that argument (I think), and I haven't seen it mentioned yet in this thread.

If Brady had been traded before June 1st, the remaining $14M of his most recent signing bonus would have accelerated into 2017 and become new dead money against 2017 cap space. If the trade had happened after June 1st, $7M of that would have become dead money against the 2017 cap, and the other $7M against the 2018 cap. That would've been okay WRT the 2018 cap, since it would've resulted in a net $8M in cap savings. The problem is with the 2017 cap.

The Pats haven't had anywhere near enough cap space to absorb even an additional $7M cap hit since well before the trade deadline, and they have less than $3M left in 2017 cap space now as it is. It appears to me that they simply couldn't have traded Brady and stayed under the cap in 2017. So, perhaps there was some disagreement between BB and Kraft over which QB to keep, but the cap situation may have rendered any such disagreement moot.

If I'm wrong about this, I'm hoping that Miguel will chime in and correct me.

The funny thing is that enough posters here have been saying this for months now. You just need to follow the money.

There was no way to franchise JG, release Brady or trade him without releasing a couple other players AND restructuring even more. Thereby turning us into the 2014 Saints.. straight into cap hell..

But instead we get stupid hearsay, gut feelings and conspiracy theories.

 

[luuked]

Except he hasn’t turned down jobs.
Bizarre to say that a coordinator would shock you to take a HC job and normal would be to say no.

He just turned down the 49ers last year. He was their top choice not Shanahan.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Edelman hasn’t had much to do - probably bored.

Lol. JE11, Gronk and DA were Shams sources.

I can see Gronk calling from a burner with a napkin over the speaker and JE and DA laughing their asses off

 

[Soliel]

Looks like I did right with my designer tin foil hats.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You would seriously endure a handful if second division seasons just to see Tom retire as a Patriot?

You are a helluva lot more loyal than I am

I think people seriously underestimate the quality of the program Belichick has put together. I’m not dismissing how important a franchise QB is to winning Super Bowl’s but I think that the Patriots will continue to win after Brady. How many Lombardi's they win will depend upon how good a job they do replacing Brady but they aren’t going to turn into the Browns because they traded Garrapolo.

 

[maineman209]

I don't think that's quite right. Wickersham wasn't claiming (that I recall) that BB wanted to trade Brady this season. I read it as Wickersham claiming that BB wanted to move to JG in 2019 (why else would BB allegedly be offering to make JG a very well-paid backup with a promise of being a starter?). In other words, getting rid of Brady before the 2019 season. Well after the date you're talking about. And even if 2018 rather than 2019, that's still a cut/trade date for Brady that's after the date you're talking about.

Well, maybe/maybe not.

Wickersham wrote:

It was a steal (SFO acquiring JG for a 2nd-rounder), leaving Patriots staffers stunned and confused. Why would the game's shrewdest long-term strategist trade two backup quarterbacks in a two-month span when his starter was 40 years old and banged up? And why did Belichick practically give away a quarterback whom the coaches saw as a potential top-10 player for much less than he could have gotten last spring? It made no sense.

There's so, so much wrong in this paragraph that is so deliberately devoid of the context of factual reality that it's difficult for me to know where he's going with it - except to support his pre-ordained conclusion that the only way any of this "makes sense" is if BB was "forced" into doing this by some really nasty, behind-the-scenes, interpersonal s**t that had gone down.

His ultimate, execrable goal in the piece is crystal clear, so whatever projected cut/trade date for Brady he may be referring to (not entirely clear to me) may not really matter much since it's purely a means to an end.

 

[maineman209]

If that's the assumption then sure. The problem is if these are Patriots employee s that pulled this prank they will be held accountable.

Is it too late to note that my original remark that started this "sub-thread" was intended as a joke?

 

[Joey007]

I love him. He is a master of his domain. Best troll on the forum by far. Rhody, on the other hand, is just a mongoloid. No entertainment value with him because he’s not trolling for that purpose. He’s just that stupid.

I don’t get the whole “I’m gonna tell on the mods” thing. Do people have that thin of skin on here?

Let the mods do their jobs. They don’t need someone tattling all the time over every poster they don’t like.

 

[bormio]

Lol. JE11, Gronk and DA were Shams sources.

I can see Gronk calling from a burner with a napkin over the speaker and JE and DA laughing their asses off

Wait till the video comes out.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Is it too late to note that my original remark that started this "sub-thread" was intended as a joke?

Lol. I think with this topic people are reacting and not taking into account the context.

 

[patfanken]

The funny thing is that enough posters here have been saying this for months now. You just need to follow the money.

There was no way to franchise JG, release Brady or trade him without releasing a couple other players AND restructuring even more. Thereby turning is into the 2014 Saints.. straight into cap hell..

But instead we get stupid hearsay, gut feelings and conspiracy theories.

I have been saying this for weeks now in every JG thread and in this one. There was NOTHING sinister or Machiavellian about Jimmy's trade. Time simply ran out. Perhaps they COULD have kept him for the rest of the season and taken a chance on someone giving them something similar to what they go.t from SF. BUT JG was GONE after this season, one way or another.

Franchising was NEVER a possibility.
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The some of the other things that were intimated in this article that makes Brady look like a bad guy. Like that he wanted Jimmy gone, or wouldn't work with him, or needed Bill's praise, where just Jokes. Tom Brady is the most competitive guy in the league probably. The THRIVES on it. He stayed at Michigan when he was 8th on the QB depth chart. He bought a house in NE when he was 4th on the depth chart with the Pats. Do you really think he was worried about JG. He LOVED the competition. He would never shy away. That is all just conjecture of a massive degree.

He's STILL the best QB on the team. WHY is that people keep forgetting/ignoring that. The guy is going to be the freakin' MVP of the league. THAT's the kind of level he's playing at. There is no reason to believe that he's going to be any worse next season either. So how is paying JG $25MM to sit on the bench EVERY going to be a good idea?.

 

[maineman209]

The funny thing is that enough posters here have been saying this for months now. You just need to follow the money.

There was no way to franchise JG, release Brady or trade him without releasing a couple other players AND restructuring even more. Thereby turning us into the 2014 Saints.. straight into cap hell..

But instead we get stupid hearsay, gut feelings and conspiracy theories.

Or, worse, the 2017 Seahawks. About a month ago, they didn't even have enough cap space left to sign a player at the NFL minimum to replace a guy who they wanted to move to IR.

 

[jam757]

Watching BB coach another team would be like Shula coaching another team after his dolphins stint. It never happened and just can't see it happening.

That's why I would be in discussions with Bill right now about an extension. I mean, very unlikely he would start over with another team but Bill provides such stability to the team I want him here for 2-3 years after Brady retires to bridge the gap.

 

[RIpats88]

I don't think that's quite right. Wickersham wasn't claiming (that I recall) that BB wanted to trade Brady this season. I read it as Wickersham claiming that BB wanted to move to JG in 2019 (why else would BB allegedly be offering to make JG a very well-paid backup with a promise of being a starter?). In other words, getting rid of Brady before the 2019 season. Well after the date you're talking about. And even if 2018 rather than 2019, that's still a cut/trade date for Brady that's after the date you're talking about.

oh, im sure if Bill couldve keep Jimmy for 2 years he wouldv'e. Problem is Jimmy didnt want to be a backup for 2 more years and then take over the team.

Most local media have said a contract was never offered because the pats knew Jimmy wouldnt take any offer and was leaving.

I think bill wanted to see how brady performed this year before moving Jimmy. When brady came out looking like no decline and putting up MVP numbers he made his choice. if brady came out and looked like Manning 2 years ago. I think we wouldve seen a switch.

Jimmy's contract status just didnt coincide with the patriots plans. Now Bills job this summer is to draft another QB with passing Skills and groom them in the system. I trust bill to do so.

people want to find some sinister reason for all of this, but I think brady just outlasted everyones expectations of how long he could perform at his level. and still is..

if the goal is to make the playoffs and extend the winning for ticket sales sure, trade brady and go with Jimmy. become the ravens/bengals(just an example, not saying we would) but Brady gives us the best chance to win a superbowl at this time and probably next year.

 

[Uptown]

Doug Kyed on Twitter

“Contrary to what has become popular belief in New England with fans and the media, the Patriots actually can draft and groom another young quarterback.”

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don’t get the whole “I’m gonna tell on the mods” thing. Do people have that thin of skin on here?

Let the mods do their jobs. They don’t need someone tattling all the time over every poster they don’t like.

I’ll call out a troll anytime I feel like it. The mods have more to follow than just one thread, and when douchebags like cutie pie and Rhody are screwing with s thread just so they can bust a nut then people need to say something.

 

[nowayback]

Heard Seth again..for a bit...its always I think, I believe, could be.... Just like the piece it verifies what I think, its mostly speculation . He basically gathered all the theories and some fact from last months and came up with a conclusion .

 

[MassPats38]

I have been saying this for weeks now in every JG thread and in this one. There was NOTHING sinister or Machiavellian about Jimmy's trade. Time simply ran out. Perhaps they COULD have kept him for the rest of the season and taken a chance on someone giving them something similar to what they go.t from SF. BUT JG was GONE after this season, one way or another.

Franchising was NEVER a possibility.
.
The some of the other things that were intimated in this article that makes Brady look like a bad guy. Like that he wanted Jimmy gone, or wouldn't work with him, or needed Bill's praise, where just Jokes. Tom Brady is the most competitive guy in the league probably. The THRIVES on it. He stayed at Michigan when he was 8th on the QB depth chart. He bought a house in NE when he was 4th on the depth chart with the Pats. Do you really think he was worried about JG. He LOVED the competition. He would never shy away. That is all just conjecture of a massive degree.

He's STILL the best QB on the team. WHY is that people keep forgetting/ignoring that. The guy is going to be the freakin' MVP of the league. THAT's the kind of level he's playing at. There is no reason to believe that he's going to be any worse next season either. So how is paying JG $25MM to sit on the bench EVERY going to be a good idea?.

Add to it that that JAG personally thanked Brady as a mentor in his Niners interview, which never tends to happen when the starting QB is an ass who wants him gone. Rodgers never thanked Favre to my knowledge, and it was clear Favre had no time for him from all the stories on their relationship. Manning wanted nobody on the Colts who could compete with him, and threw his organization into a tailspin when he was injured.

Every story prior to this stupidity indicates Brady introduces himself as Tom, despite his celebrity. He certainly is not going to give up his starting role, but his chip keeps him working and believing he is the best for the job. I don't doubt there are actual stories where a player isn't the nicest guy - competitive souls have that nature and losers rarely smile at defeat. But this sounds like primadonna/diva stuff, and the years of reports to the contrary are a sharp contrast to this line.

I agree JAG wasn't staying. He wants to start, and Brady won't simply give him the job. It would have to be taken, and JAG is not that good. Until Brady does decline, he is a backup. And there can be no timeline on that occurrence because there is no model for this scenario. It is relatively unprecedented.

I expect JAG was offered an extension as insurance when Brady's run ends, but it would not be franchise QB money. This is very different from Cassel's situation, when it was simply unknown if Brady would be ready to go when the season started in 2009. Brady is playing MVP level football now, not seriously damaged from an injury.

 

[signbabybrady]

That's why I would be in discussions with Bill right now about an extension. I mean, very unlikely he would start over with another team but Bill provides such stability to the team I want him here for 2-3 years after Brady retires to bridge the gap.

Bills under contract for 10 mil+ and his kids are employed here. He's not leaving for anything other than retirement.