Eric Rowe

[RobertWeathers]

I bet when he walked into Patriot Place he was blown away. Compared to the s**tshow he's coming from down I-95 in Philly.

Clearly last year was dysfunction in Philly. Not a good experience.

I'm sure not everyone likes Foxboro or the area but it's better than Philly.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Clearly last year was dysfunction in Philly. Not a good experience.

I'm sure not everyone likes Foxboro or the area but it's better than Philly.

For football, yes, but I think I'll take Philly as a place to live outside of that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

For football, yes, but I think I'll take Philly as a place to live outside of that.

The fact it that whole area where the sports complexs are isn't bad at all. There are also great parts of downtown that I love.

Some areas....not so much. I almost got boxed in and carjacked in South Philly. Almost ran someone over getting out of there.

I do agree on the burbs. Devon, Blue Bell, Mt Washington are nice spots.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Rowe and Mingo are going to be all over the place in this defense. I'm looking at these 2 players together as part of some new concepts and I am very excited to see it. The opponent is going to have to be very keen for when they appear on the field and where.

 

[Deus Irae]

For football, yes, but I think I'll take Philly as a place to live outside of that.

Are your only other options Clevaland, Detroit and Oaklend?

 

[Marqui]

This is such a great acquisition. Once he earns the starting outside CB spot, it will bump Ryan inside where he should be an elite slot corner. They'll have a very athletic/good top-3 CB group.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

As someone who was born and raised in Boston(South Shore) but went to high school and grad school in the city of Boston and has lived the last 30 years in Philly ( city and suburbs)... They both have positives and negatives. I love them both ( Boston sports teams ecxlusively). Philly has great suburbs on the Main Line and Bucks county which allows people to commute in to NY for work or shows and we are close enough for everything.
Politically it is a little more moderate than Boston but the city does have a little bit of an inferiority complex, as it is not NY DC or even Boston. One championship in 30 years will do that to you....they went two years with none of the four pro teams making the playoffs. How often does that happen?
But as someone wrote at least it isn't Cleveland or Oakland.

 

[VJCPatriot]

All I can say is that the Pats are bad at drafting defensive backs and wide receivers.

Our last good WR pick was Edelman. 2009. 7 years ago.
Our last good CB pick was McCourty. 2010. 6 years ago.

The good news is that we seem very good at drafting the other positions. Certainly above average compared to the rest of the NFL. And somehow despite that we managed to accumulate enough talent to have one of the deepest secondary's in the NFL today. [Thanks in large part to UDFAs such as Malcolm Butler.]

Hopefully Rowe works out. BB tends to do better picking up talent that other teams have developed for us.

Don't want to hijack the thread or take it off topic, but I HATED the Richards pick, absolutely hated it. Just like I hated the Easley pick and the Tavon Wilson pick. People tried to justify the Richards pick by saying we picked a 7th round talent in the 2nd round, and picked a 2nd round talent in the 7th round in Daryl Roberts. But it is what it is, a horrible pick. Hopefully Richards proves me wrong.

 

[JMC00]

Our last good CB pick was McCourty. 2010. 6 years ago.

Logan Ryan

 

[mihap]

All I can say is that the Pats are bad at drafting defensive backs and wide receivers.
Our last good WR pick was Edelman. 2009. 7 years ago. Cant argue with that
Our last good CB pick was McCourty. 2010. 6 years ago. Mccourty is listed as safety, and i think yuu forgot about Logan Ryan.
Hopefully Rowe works out. BB tends to do better picking up talent that other teams have developed for us. He better be. My binkie and i ll be watching him so he has no room for error.

 

[TBR]

All I can say is that the Pats are bad at drafting defensive backs and wide receivers.

Our last good WR pick was Edelman. 2009. 7 years ago.
Our last good CB pick was McCourty. 2010. 6 years ago.

The good news is that we seem very good at drafting the other positions. Certainly above average compared to the rest of the NFL. And somehow despite that we managed to accumulate enough talent to have one of the deepest secondary's in the NFL today. [Thanks in large part to UDFAs such as Malcolm Butler.]

Hopefully Rowe works out. BB tends to do better picking up talent that other teams have developed for us.

I'm not even sure I'd give them full credit for Edelman. We might have to go even further back to Branch.

I think their streak on missing WRs ends with Malcolm Mitchell. I see him becoming a quality, solid player at the very least - if not, Pro Bowl level. I'll admit I thought similar things of Dobson, although my eye for prospects 3-4 years ago was not as """good""" as it is now.

 

[supafly]

Logan Ryan

I think an argument could be made for Harmon, as well. He's been a dependable rotational player back there.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

BB needs to consider finding capable GM who can draft better talent at the WR and DB positions. It just seems like he tries to take on too much. He's the best coach in NFL history, but I believe he could use some help drafting. At times for DB and WR his evaluations seem to be off. He goes after super Boy Scouts at those positions, while the best WRs and DBs are typically Divas with big personalitys...but they produce. The Boy Scouts don't.

Look at 2014 draft, it's too bad we couldn't come away with just one of the stacked 2014 WR class. We could have traded slightly up in the first and taken Kelvin Benjamin or Brandin Cooks or waited for our second round pick and taken Allen Robinson or Jarvis Landry. Instead we wound up with Easley and Garrapaolo.

 

[Froob]

You, and everyone else listening to BS-TR (Boston Sports-Talk Radio), is being trolled.

Wikipedia ( Internet troll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) gives us:



BS-TR clearly is trolling, it clearly meets the definition.

Bertrand, Zolak, Borges, Felger, Mazz, etc: All trolls.

Mazz isn't a troll, he is that dumb.

 

[oldrover]

Mazz isn't a troll, he is that dumb.

"You're right, Mike!!!"

 

[patfanken]

BB needs to consider finding capable GM who can draft better talent at the WR and DB positions. It just seems like he tries to take on too much. He's the best coach in NFL history, but I believe he could use some help drafting. At times for DB and WR his evaluations seem to be off. He goes after super Boy Scouts at those positions, while the best WRs and DBs are typically Divas with big personalitys...but they produce. The Boy Scouts don't.

Look at 2014 draft, it's too bad we couldn't come away with just one of the stacked 2014 WR class. We could have traded slightly up in the first and taken Kelvin Benjamin or Brandin Cooks or waited for our second round pick and taken Allen Robinson or Jarvis Landry. Instead we wound up with Easley and Garrapaolo.

When are you guys gonna get it. WR's are a dime a dozen, and you can get them anywhere. All the receivers you mention are on teams that didn't even SNIFF the playoffs, except for Benjamin and his team went to the Superbowl WITHOUT him. That's the kind of impact great receivers have on the game. The Giants may have the best of them and how did they do in the playoffs. Charles Johnson is a HOF receiver who went to playoffs twice in a very long career. And the Steelers with a top QB and best WR corps in the league snuck into the playoffs on the 3rd tiebreaker with the freakin JET's, who also had great WR's

Are you starting to get the picture here? WR's are at the bottom of the priority list when it comes to the draft. Partly because there are so many quality guys, and partly because, despite the media hype, they have less of an impact on the game. Plus you are just as likely to get a quality WR in the lower rounds as you are to get one in the first. If there is one the that pass happy colleges are turning out these days are WR's

So the reality is that BB will NEVER draft a WR in the first round and as we all should know, because it's been reported several times, he uses the 2nd round to take high risk, high reward fliers. Some like Gronk work out, some like Dobson, don't. And for the Pats who draft every year (when Goodell allows them to have a pick) at the bottom of the first round, they are usually drafting from the same pool of players as those who are picked in the 2nd round.

Also those who think the Pats don't draft DB's well might want to consider that the Great DB corps that EVERYONE is so excited about is made up almost entirely of players the Pats personnel department had found and developed. IIRC only the recently acquired Rowe and special teams and last S off the bench Brandon King came from other programs. I wonder how many teams have 10 home grown DB's on their 53 man rosters.....and still have people all excited about their secondary.

And thanks for giving me a topic to kill some time while I am NOT watching NFL football.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

When are you guys gonna get it. WR's are a dime a dozen, and you can get them anywhere. All the receivers you mention are on teams that didn't even SNIFF the playoffs, except for Benjamin and his team went to the Superbowl WITHOUT him. That's the kind of impact great receivers have on the game. The Giants may have the best of them and how did they do in the playoffs. Charles Johnson is a HOF receiver who went to playoffs twice in a very long career. And the Steelers with a top QB and best WR corps in the league snuck into the playoffs on the 3rd tiebreaker with the freakin JET's, who also had great WR's

Are you starting to get the picture here? WR's are at the bottom of the priority list when it comes to the draft. Partly because there are so many quality guys, and partly because, despite the media hype, they have less of an impact on the game. Plus you are just as likely to get a quality WR in the lower rounds as you are to get one in the first. If there is one the that pass happy colleges are turning out these days are WR's

So the reality is that BB will NEVER draft a WR in the first round and as we all should know, because it's been reported several times, he uses the 2nd round to take high risk, high reward fliers. Some like Gronk work out, some like Dobson, don't. And for the Pats who draft every year (when Goodell allows them to have a pick) at the bottom of the first round, they are usually drafting from the same pool of players as those who are picked in the 2nd round.

Also those who think the Pats don't draft DB's well might want to consider that the Great DB corps that EVERYONE is so excited about is made up almost entirely of players the Pats personnel department had found and developed. IIRC only the recently acquired Rowe and special teams and last S off the bench Brandon King came from other programs. I wonder how many teams have 10 home grown DB's on their 53 man rosters.....and still have people all excited about their secondary.

And thanks for giving me a topic to kill some time while I am NOT watching NFL football.

It's my opinion that having a good physical deep threat WR would balance are offense out and prevent it from being one dimensional. It would open up everything underneath for our slot guys and tight ends. I think it would bring our offense from very good to all time great level. I think that's worth it. No more watching defenses like Denver and Baltimore jam our small WRs at the line of scrimmage and double up on Gronk. A deep threat opens up more open receivers for Brady underneath and in the middle of the field

 

[zydecochris]

Also those who think the Pats don't draft DB's well might want to consider that the Great DB corps that EVERYONE is so excited about is made up almost entirely of players the Pats personnel department had found and developed. IIRC only the recently acquired Rowe and special teams and last S off the bench Brandon King came from other programs. I wonder how many teams have 10 home grown DB's on their 53 man rosters.....and still have people all excited about their secondary.

And thanks for giving me a topic to kill some time while I am NOT watching NFL football.

There were times in the past when the Pats struck out multiple times on DB's they drafted, but it seems to me that they have come up gold recently. The Pats have one of the best CB's in the league on his rookie contract, a CB-2 that played well last year (Ryan), a promising rookie CB, and the best combined trios of safeties in the league in McCourty, Chung, and Harmon.

I don't follow other teams like I do he Patriots, does any other team in the league have a better situation in the defensive backfield when you factor in youth and cost in addition to talent? If so, who?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Malcolm Butler went undrafted so we can't take credit for drafting him

 

[patfanken]

It's my opinion that having a good physical deep threat WR would balance are offense out and prevent it from being one dimensional. It would open up everything underneath for our slot guys and tight ends. I think it would bring our offense from very good to all time great level. I think that's worth it. No more watching defenses like Denver and Baltimore jam our small WRs at the line of scrimmage and double up on Gronk. A deep threat opens up more open receivers for Brady underneath and in the middle of the field

No one is denying that having a top notch deep threat would be great. The question is would it be worth adding that element to the team at the expense of weakening another more critical area of the team. So if there is a great potential deep threat WR siting out there at 32 next year and a potential great DT/DE/OT/TE/tall DB/ or LB, Bellichick is going to take one from the latter group EVERY time.

And another consideration is that even when your WR pick turns out well, you end up having to PAY you paying that pick top dollar and far more than the impact he is ever going to have when it comes to winning games. Again just look at where the teams who pay top dollar for WR's and yet don't win games, ie off the top of my head, Atlanta, Detroit, Jets, Steelers, Jags, TB, etc, etc. And again look at the final 4 teams last season. DThomas didn't win that superbowl, The Panthers WR's were worse than the Pats group, and having the best WR group in the final 4 didn't help the Cardinals from getting crushed.

BOTTOM LINE: I would love to have 3 elite WR's on our roster. It would make the game more exciting to watch. I just wonder if it would increase the number of games we'd end up winning?